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TheTraitorsareamongus · 10/02/2024 18:41

My DS is 9. He’s a gentle child and v docile/ shy. We’ve had trouble for about a year with a pair of boys targeting him. I’ve spoken to the school, and they’ve separated the boys in class. However, I’m really struggling with how to protect my son in other situations:

  1. they all attend a hobby club together. My DS has been going for 3 years and loves the club. I’ve spoken to the club leader (without naming the other boys) so she keeps an eye out but they’ll find opportunities to be mean to him (taunting about any mistakes, ‘accidental’ shoving, hiding his bag etc) when an adult isn’t watching
  2. they will target him in the playground when adults aren’t around
  3. at school related activities outside school. So for example, at class birthday parties.

school say they understandably can’t do anything as these things are happening outside school. I can stop DS going to his hobby/ class parties but I’m worried that will be counterproductive by making him more isolated. The parents are superficially nice but their boys have form for being nasty and they obviously aren’t addressing the issues. I’ve read all the resources (nspcc, bbc) but i can’t seem to figure out a way forward. Has anyone dealt with this issue? I’ve spoken to DS about avoiding them, but they seem to seek him out. I’m not imagining it as on two separate occasions other parents have asked me if everything is ok and noted how nasty the behaviour is. I’ve talked to DS about sticking up for himself but because it’s 2 on 1 and he’s not as rough, he hasn’t been able to.

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TheDuck2018 · 10/02/2024 18:46

What a horrible situation, I hate bullies! Have you spoken to their parents yet, think that's probably the first port of call.

Greentangerines · 10/02/2024 18:50

Change schools make sure he doesn’t go to the same secondary school. These boys have fixated on your DS for 3 years they are not going to change.

CricketWhites1 · 10/02/2024 19:01

My advice would be to seek out the leader or leaders of this hobby club and ask to see their policy on bullying. Ask them what they are doing to prevent an innocent young boy being targeted by these boys. Ask them why it's still ongoing in very sly ways

Do you need to pull out your child so these boys 'win' by driving him out? Ask that too

I'd be going absolutely mental because enough is enough. If I was running this hobby club and you spoke to me, we'd be a couple of boys light going forward after a final very stern warning to both them and their parents

It's not acceptable and it's time to properly advocate and get these kids dealt with. Get really angry

CricketWhites1 · 10/02/2024 19:02

Oh and apply the same to the school

Honestly it's time to stop this nonsense and not give in until you do

I detest bullies and this is just beyond acceptable

TheTraitorsareamongus · 10/02/2024 20:12

Thank you so much for the supportive messages. Honestly, the boys parents take a very ‘boys will be boys’ attitude and the defence is always they didn’t mean it like that. School has been supportive but I can understand that they have limited staff and can’t police the playground. It’s worse because parties are mostly drop off at this age so I can’t police closely

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TheTraitorsareamongus · 10/02/2024 20:13

Greentangerines · 10/02/2024 18:50

Change schools make sure he doesn’t go to the same secondary school. These boys have fixated on your DS for 3 years they are not going to change.

Thank you - they’re v unlikely to end up at the same secondary school based on catchments, which is a huge relief but I hate seeing my DS becoming a shadow of himself. Although he’s shy he absolutely loves hanging out with his classmates and I feel like those opportunities aren’t safe for I’m anymore

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Snoozymoozy · 10/02/2024 20:25

I don't have any experience of this as my kids are only 2 and 4, but have you thought about self defence classes, mainly to build his confidence?

These vile bullies will target kids who they see as being weak and who they know won't stand up to them.

TheTraitorsareamongus · 10/02/2024 20:36

Snoozymoozy · 10/02/2024 20:25

I don't have any experience of this as my kids are only 2 and 4, but have you thought about self defence classes, mainly to build his confidence?

These vile bullies will target kids who they see as being weak and who they know won't stand up to them.

Thank you - ironically he has done martial arts from a young age but they really drum it into you to never ever be aggressive towards others so it holds him back. Also I think the two on one means he’s just too scared to try retaliating.

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KateLizAn · 10/02/2024 20:41

I understand it can be tricky at this age (I have a 10 year old boy) but with things like parties I would stay and say to the hosting parent ‘I have to stay because Child A and Child B are bullying him and will do so here at the party if they are not watched constantly’.

You and your son have nothing to be ashamed of.

ChanelNo19EDT · 10/02/2024 20:43

agree with some kind of martial arts, another different hobby but one that will give him back the confidence bullies erod.

In the meantime, I'd volunteer to assist /supervise at the hobby

Goalandgate · 10/02/2024 20:49

I would absolutely name these boys at the hobby & make the leader aware there are issues. Then they can monitor more closely to make sure these boys aren't picking on him. As for birthday parties as above I would stay & tell the host why. Have you made clear to the parents how badly this is affecting your son? It must be a horrible feeling for you thinking your son is unsafe at school, clubs & hobbies. It sounds like he would find it difficult to stand up for himself so building his self esteem & confidence is going to be difficult but ultimately will be what helps him as he grows older.

Theoscargoesto · 10/02/2024 20:52

It is simply not good enough for school to say they can’t police the w playground and protect your child. They have a DUTY to do that. Ask to see the anti bullying policy that all schools have to have and tell them you’ll be writing to the governors if they don’t make school a safe place for him. I think it’s ok to show your son that you will advocate for him.

Same applies to the club: what are their policies? Ask them. Shame them if you have to. And whilst I disagree with speaking to the other parents, I like the idea that you stay and you say why. You are modelling safeguarding your child and good for you. Boys will be boys-what, and be brought up to be unkind, to disregard other people’s feelings, to be allowed to be abusive? And we wonder why women are at risk when there are such entitled and encouraged bullies about.

Greentangerines · 10/02/2024 21:11

That’s good about the secondary school catchment.

Does your son speak to you about moving primary school at all?

samqueens · 10/02/2024 22:58

I’m so sorry OP and so angry on you and your son’s behalf. Applaud the fact that he is able to not retaliate physically - am not sure if their bullying is physical or more verbal stuff?

Does you son have good friends at school and/or in the hobby activity? Am assuming he does as he is invited to birthday parties etc. Does he have friends he spends time with outside school one on one? Are you friendly with any of their parents?

I agree with PP about staying on school and hobby leader to try and get them to actively stamp out the behaviour. It’s terrifying that they don’t work harder to protect kids in their care.

someone else might have a way better/more informed perspective on this than me but my instinct is not only to pursue those in authority in these setting to intervene and protect but ALSO to model for him ways to take back control and create a certain level of self protection… I appreciate it’s kind of a fantasy view in some ways but the truth is that all through life we meet people who bully and we can’t always change them or avoid them. But we can always take protective steps to limit their ability to damage us. It’s a really shitty lesson for a 9yo to have to learn but… So what I am getting at is things like…

don’t suffer in silence - tell your allies what’s going on, encourage him to do that same. Show him that HE has nothing to be ashamed of and that this isn’t something that needs to be secret/doesn’t reflect on him in any way.

ask for their help in supporting and protecting him - even simple things like parents of his friends of his finding something to praise or make a positive comment about when he is playing at their house. Spending time with family members who will do that same. Does he have a couple of friends who would spend playground time with him as a plan, so that he can more easily avoid the bullies. Ask their parents to also talk about it and explain why it’s important. Make it a collective responsibility to help keep your child safer.

role play with him - what do they say, what can he do? Say back? Practice, have a laugh, be silly - but also be dead serious about walking away. Try and find a stinger or two.

Make it clear to school that these are your tactics and you don’t expect to get called in if the other boys complain he said ‘X’ to them (obviously X shouldn’t be verbal abuse - you are aiming for the art of the searing put down).

Also ask him to think about why are these kids doing this? What does it mean? He currently thinks (as is totally natural) that’s it’s because HE is or does x,y or z. But try and get him to talk and think about why HE wouldn’t do these things to another kid and why these kids are… (clue - they are miserable, insecure, have horrid home lives, don’t feel that people will like them if they aren’t tough, toxic masculinity etc etc) What kind of adults will they become? What kind of adult does he want to become?

You don’t need to throw punches to defend yourself, but you do need to build, have (or fake having) a cast iron sense of your own ‘rightness’ and the absolute unimportance of anyone else’s view about you.

This may require you to take actions which make you really uncomfortable. If that’s the case then use friends as sounding boards, and role play yourself to practice. You don’t need to be aggressive, confrontational or pick a fight - you’re trying to model being assertive and no-nonsense. But would the hobby leader or school facilitate a meeting? If something happens/has happened and you see the parent at drop off or pick up then raise it directly but calmly and be specific about the incident.

Bully’s think their victims’ fear will protect them from reprisal, because it won’t get talked about - disabuse them of that notion. Parents will say ‘boys will be boys’, but in the end if they do the ‘seeming nice’ act then they don’t want to have public showdowns about their kids behaviour as it makes them look bad, so they might actually tell their children to lay off if only for a quiet life (and probably the children actually don’t want to be in trouble with their folks - where do you think they have learnt that this is ok?! Probably from their even more aggressive parents!) Make sure you have another adult with you if you approach them, so you have a witness (and they have a reason to maintain their image).

If there are parents who would not invite those children to a birthday party because they are nasty bullies and they’d rather have your son there then ask them to do so.

I’m not saying start a vendetta, or make empty threats. I’m just saying - use every tool at your disposal, and every reasonable person who could provide self esteem boosts for your son and back up for both of you.

Don’t just tell your son to stand up for himself, let him see that you’re standing up for him too and that you, in the nicest possible way, accept no bullshit. Make it clear that, when someone is doing this to one friend, it’s not enough for other friends to turn a blind eye - they should be actively protecting (not by starting a fight but by sticking close). And let him know that, although he shouldn’t have to, there are things he can also do to take control like not straying too far from the adults in the playground who are (supposed) sources of protection.

None of this might help straight away, but this will stay with him and you want him to know there are tools at his disposal to help him, if not stop it, at least survive it.

Sorry bit of an essay and not trying to be prescriptive - apologies if it seems that way. But seeing you galvanize support for him, even if it’s not obvious to the bullies, will stay with him… (also bet he isn’t the only child they’ve done this to, so you might find some parents very willing to empathise). Good luck

samqueens · 10/02/2024 23:05

It can be more useful to pity people like this than to get angry at them - it’s a less toxic emotion to carry, and can help one detach from and depersonalise any interactions

TrixieFatell · 10/02/2024 23:12

I'll be honest and say with the school.youve just got to keep kicking up a fuss. My son had issues with another boy on his class and I had to go in several times and quite their bullying policy to them. That and the threat of going to the Governors seemed to get stuff sorted.

I'd speak frankly with the leader of the activity and tell them everything, see if you can come up with ways of making sure your son isn't able to be targeted. I agree with going to the parties.

I hope you get it sorted

boopboopbidoop · 10/02/2024 23:25

CricketWhites1 · 10/02/2024 19:01

My advice would be to seek out the leader or leaders of this hobby club and ask to see their policy on bullying. Ask them what they are doing to prevent an innocent young boy being targeted by these boys. Ask them why it's still ongoing in very sly ways

Do you need to pull out your child so these boys 'win' by driving him out? Ask that too

I'd be going absolutely mental because enough is enough. If I was running this hobby club and you spoke to me, we'd be a couple of boys light going forward after a final very stern warning to both them and their parents

It's not acceptable and it's time to properly advocate and get these kids dealt with. Get really angry

The problem is that without evidence the club can't go in accusing anyone of anything. Even when you know it's happening, for obvious reasons, organisations can't sanction people on the basis of what someone else said.

It's incredibly difficult as the bullies are clever enough to hide what they are doing.

TheTraitorsareamongus · 11/02/2024 13:39

Theoscargoesto · 10/02/2024 20:52

It is simply not good enough for school to say they can’t police the w playground and protect your child. They have a DUTY to do that. Ask to see the anti bullying policy that all schools have to have and tell them you’ll be writing to the governors if they don’t make school a safe place for him. I think it’s ok to show your son that you will advocate for him.

Same applies to the club: what are their policies? Ask them. Shame them if you have to. And whilst I disagree with speaking to the other parents, I like the idea that you stay and you say why. You are modelling safeguarding your child and good for you. Boys will be boys-what, and be brought up to be unkind, to disregard other people’s feelings, to be allowed to be abusive? And we wonder why women are at risk when there are such entitled and encouraged bullies about.

Thank you so much for your comments, they are such a support. It’s gut wrenching knowing that he’s going into school in fear of being physically hurt. I’m going to go back to the school next week and tell them more needs to be done.

I'm also planning to speak with the main boy’s parents, I think they should be told what he is doing so they can’t deny knowledge later, even if they do paint me as an overprotective parent.

I think ultimately I was afraid of causing a fuss/ looking vindictive (DS is often afraid of the same) so I had avoided speaking openly but everyone posting has made me realise that’s a terrible way to model dealing with unpleasant people for DS.

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TheTraitorsareamongus · 11/02/2024 13:40

DS and I went to the park together and had a chat this morning. I told him he won’t need to stand alone against them again, I’m backing him at school/ club/ parties. His little face looked so relieved.

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TheTraitorsareamongus · 11/02/2024 13:41

boopboopbidoop · 10/02/2024 23:25

The problem is that without evidence the club can't go in accusing anyone of anything. Even when you know it's happening, for obvious reasons, organisations can't sanction people on the basis of what someone else said.

It's incredibly difficult as the bullies are clever enough to hide what they are doing.

This is a big part of the problem, they’re very good at hiding or waiting for an opportunity to strike. Even if nothing happens for a week or two, DS is still on edge waiting for them to be unkind, so he’s still not himself.

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samqueens · 11/02/2024 13:54

TheTraitorsareamongus · 11/02/2024 13:40

DS and I went to the park together and had a chat this morning. I told him he won’t need to stand alone against them again, I’m backing him at school/ club/ parties. His little face looked so relieved.

Well done OP - that’s great! The only way to deal with it is to take the high road as much as possible while still being factual and totally upfront about what’s happening. The parents will no doubt cause a stink about you and all of it, that’s on them. Get a few friends in your corner and you and your DS can hold your heads high despite their nonsense. Good luck

Notquitegrownup2 · 11/02/2024 15:23

Your poor ds! Have a chat to his Sensei too. A good Sensei will drum into kids the importance of not using the material art outside the dojo, as your has, but he or she may also have some good advice on boosting self esteem.

When talking to the other parents be very clear what you are asking for. You just want their lad to leave yours - and his belongings - alone. This has gone on for 3 years - for far too long and it's mean. There must be something better to do with their time. Will they, the parents, back you in emphasizing this to their boys?

Best of luck. Your littleun sounds like a smashing lad

TheTraitorsareamongus · 26/02/2024 19:22

i came back to say thank you to everyone who posted advice, it’s been revolutionary for my DS. I think the most helpful advice was along the lines of not letting DS feel he had anything to be ashamed off and to let him see all his allies rally around him. I think I was so worried about reactions that I had lost sight of what I needed to demonstrate to DS. I tried to tackle each step calmly and assertively and showed him what I was doing each step of the way - it was really difficult to convince him at first but I could see him transform at each step. I wrote to the school and asked for a formal meeting and set out my requests clearly (thank you to the poster up thread). Then I spoke to his hobby leader. I spoke to close friends of his, and their parents, without naming any names but just to tell them that DS has had a bit of trouble and if their DC can keep an eye out - we’ve both been absolutely overwhelmed (positively) with the outpouring of support, inviting DS over after school or just keeping physically near him when they see his bullies approaching. I then had a calm chat with the bully’s families. I tried to approach it from a place of compassion, as they are little children themselves, and focus on what I need (stop targeting DS please) and that the next time I will need to escalate the matter further within the school. Finally, I told the bully child (kindly & directly) that his behaviour was not appropriate when I saw him taking something off DS. I’m leaving this here so that it might be helpful to anyone else who is in a similar situation. Thank you again to everyone who took the time to comment, I appreciate it so deeply.

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Mnk711 · 26/02/2024 21:49

Well done OP, glad it's gone so well for you. Hopefully your son goes from strength to strength.

MargaretThursday · 26/02/2024 21:55

Ask the parents who have spoken to you if they'll email the school /hobby and say what they have seen.

I did this for a child in dd1's year. I witnessed something as they came out of school. I asked the mum if all was okay, and she said no, but the school kept saying there were no witnesses or it was 50/50.
I emailed the school that night making it very clear that the victim hadn't done anything to provoke and had just let it happened to it. The bullies were pulled in by the deputy the next day and parents brought in. I think they knew what was happening, but needed a witness.