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To think 4 weeks summer is ok

414 replies

comeonlabour · 03/02/2024 14:21

So as the title suggests, if the plans do go ahead to make summer hols 4 weeks I for one am not against it. I always think 6 weeks is way too long so 4 is more manageable

Also we will have longer half terms of 2 weeks in some cases instead of 1 so all good

Anyone else feel the same/agree with me

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DinnaeFashYersel · 03/02/2024 18:54

MrsHamlet · 03/02/2024 18:48

The "advanced British standard" is years off, if it ever happens.

They need to drop the word 'British' out of it cause Scotland will never go for it.

MrsHamlet · 03/02/2024 18:57

DinnaeFashYersel · 03/02/2024 18:54

They need to drop the word 'British' out of it cause Scotland will never go for it.

It's a stupid idea, full stop.

VivaVivaa · 03/02/2024 18:58

ThePeaAndThePrincess · 03/02/2024 18:45

Nope. Lone parent with a full time job and no family childcare ever, even for a day. And my kids can't do clubs so I have to pay for nannies for them in the school holidays and for wrap around care.

I still think that 6 weeks isn't long enough. School is a terrible environment for children and they need at least one decent respite from it per year.

I agree with you on a lot of things. School starts too early for little children and takes up too much of childhood. You must realise though that ‘paying for nannies’ is massively out of reach for most working families? It must give your DC amazing continuity and a great break over the summer though!

FluffytheGoldfish · 03/02/2024 19:00

It won't just be parent's trying to squeeze their leave into 4 weeks. What about the partners of teachers? DH has had people complaining and suggesting that he no longer booked time off during the summer as our children have left school despite the fact they know I teach.

Mangerine · 03/02/2024 19:04

No way I love the 6 weeks!!! I have 8 left with her and she will continue having 6 weeks off!!!

Fucking farse this country is becoming.

VampireWeekday · 03/02/2024 19:09

Why would I want to be forced to take massive amounts of my annual leave in October and February instead of lovely summer? Why would my kids want this, either?

mitogoshi · 03/02/2024 19:11

Is prefer longer, many countries have 10 weeks. Gives you a chance to do something like residential summer camp or summer programmes like in the USA. I could never send mine because we were still in school in July

HappyAsASandboy · 03/02/2024 19:11

For working parents (me!), 4 weeks would be better due to childcare.

For the kids, 6 weeks or even longer is a proper break between academic years. It lets them travel, relax, be bored, grow up, forget the pressures of last year, properly pause, before the next academic year starts.

I now have kids with 9+ weeks of summer holidays and apart from the logistical nightmare of childcare and some children only having 6 weeks, 9+ weeks is great for them. I will take that logistical nightmare on the chin for a few years to give them the long break.

boys3 · 03/02/2024 19:15

ClumsyNinja · 03/02/2024 18:41

Good grief! We have 12 week school summer hols here in Ireland.

I guess on the plus side, we’ll be able to visit the UK and enjoy the attractions without hordes of English kids getting in the way. 😂

Indeed @ClumsyNinja. but it’s only Wales that are thinking about this. Or rather the Welsh Government. You’d still have the English hordes 😀to contend with even if Wales did go ahead.

ThePenguinIsDrunk · 03/02/2024 19:16

YABU i don't think kids get enough hols as it is and my lot really benefit from 6 weeks to really decompress in a way they don't over 2 weeks

boys3 · 03/02/2024 19:32

and this is the joint letter from all the teaching unions plus the tourism and farming industry,

Dear Minister,

"We write to you to express our deep concern at the decision of the Welsh Government to engage in a public consultation over the reform of the schoolyear, when there has been no serious attempt to engage appropriately with the sectors and organisations that represent the many people across Wales who will be detrimentally affected by the recommendations that have been presented.

"We believe that there is limited recent and relevant research that supports the recommendations and that they are based upon a long-held prejudice regarding the school summer break. This proposal runs the risk of fixing a problem that does not exist, when there is also little public appetite for such a change. In the Welsh Government commissioned Beaufort Report, the key findings state that "the majority of participants were content with the shape of the current school year".

"All of the education unions are incomplete agreement that the reform of the school year proposals are unacceptable. The summer break is already amongst the shortest in Europe.

"The educational reasons the Welsh Government give for the reforms are not substantiated by research, including the view that there is a detriment to children’s learning. Countries that appear above Wales in the Pisa league tables have significantly longer summer breaks.

"We would argue that the proposed changes will actually do damage to secondary learners, as a week is taken from the crucial autumn term and transferred to the quieter post examination period. Every secondary teacher knows that this is a serious error.

"The education unions are also incredulous that, at a time when schools are facing a crisis in funding, recruitment and pupil behaviour, the Welsh Government should be so engaged in this entirely unnecessary distraction. Representatives from the tourist industry, the second largest employer in Wales, have also expressed their dismay at the formal consultation

"The proposal to add a week to the October half term would be a disaster for many, especially those in rural/mountainous areas where the weather at that time of year can be grim, and would mean an 80%* reduction in revenue for that week if compared to the one lost in the summer term.

"Last October, in half term, Wales endured a named storm and many attractions had to close on the Thursday of that week and did not reopen for the rest of the week. The tourist industry also employs many young people during the summer break period.

"The current six-week period allows time to train and properly engage with, youngsters, many of whom are experiencing their first opportunity in the workplace. Many will be denied this opportunity if the holiday periods are cut short by these proposals.

"Farming representatives also have concerns about the proposed reform –arguing that many farming businesses that have diversified into the tourism sector benefit from a six-week peak season where the weather is far more favourable for visitors to enjoy the countryside and Wales’ visitor attractions.

"Under the proposals, visitors will be faced with limited time in the summer to enjoy Wales at its finest. There is also concern where there are "honey pot" areas, confining the timeframe with an increased number of visitors to these parts, will impact on those running farming businesses in rural Wales causing disruption, especially in coastal areas or National Parks.

"The prospect of shorter days associated with an extended October half-term break will not be as enjoyable and could result in the loss of these visitors as holidays are taken abroad. Farmers are also concerned about the impact on the Royal Welsh Show.

"This is a wonderful vocational educational experience for the next generation of farmers as well as being the one opportunity a year when many farming families are able spend time together away from the farm. The Royal Welsh Agricultural Society (RWAS) has already publicly stated that schools remaining open during show week could lead to an estimated £1 million loss of revenue and thus endanger its future viability.

"Sixty-eight per cent of show visitors attend as part of a family group. If it is term time in Wales during Royal Welsh Show week, young people and those working in schools will be denied the opportunity to attend the show legally with their families.

"They will also be denied the opportunity to compete in its events, and the show will be denied its role in the education of Welsh youngsters, which is to help them develop into rounded individuals who will contribute to Wales’ future prosperity.

"The RWAS has stated that it does not wish to negatively impact other agricultural shows and national events, such as the Eisteddfod, which follow the Royal Welsh Show in the calendar by moving its own dates. Indeed, as many of these events share the same contractors and vendors, it is unlikely that moving show dates to accommodate a change in school holidays would be viable.

"The show is the largest agricultural event of its kind in Europe and, as such, affords Wales the opportunity of international attention. It embodies the Welsh Government’s vision of a Wales which, as outlined in the Well-being of Future Generations (Wales) Act, prospers in regards to its people, culture and economy.

"Endangering the show’s future by having schools open during the event also endangers Wales’s future prosperity. We call upon the Welsh Government to withdraw its proposals to reform the school year.

"Experts in education, tourism and agriculture have all argued strongly against these proposals as the Welsh Government is not addressing these concerns. We believe that these proposals do not come from relevant and recent research and will not best support children in their learning.

"The arguments against these proposals that we state in this letter are just a few of many arguments that we have all repeated time and again to Welsh Government officials, but no one is listening. Possibly of greater concern are all the unintended consequences that will surface only after the damage is done.

"We call upon the Welsh Government to withdraw these proposals and redirect its energies to the real challenges that face Wales and to stop fighting unnecessary battles."

* The signatories to the joint letter are: NASUWT CYMRU, NEU CYMRU, UCAC CYMRU, ASCL CYMRU, NAHT CYMRU, NFU CYMRU, FUW CYMRU, UNISON CYMRU, GMB WALES & SOUTHWEST, RWAS, WAVA

leilani83 · 03/02/2024 19:36

The whole argument for shorter holidays because of childcare is crazy - school isn't childcare!! And the stage of life when this is an issue won't last forever, and it isn't just about you! People need holidays: kids, parents, teachers! This culture of long working hours and long school days and longer terms is terrible for everyone's mental health - we aren't worker bees just bred to feed the economy!

DrMadelineMaxwell · 03/02/2024 20:12

That proposal is a farce.
It asks a few standard 'Do you agree/disagree?' questions about the proposed changes, then asks what affect you think it will have on the Welsh language.

NotTheLastUserName · 03/02/2024 20:44

I work in a school and have to work over Alevel and GCSE results weeks. Which leaves me 4 weeks over the summer I can go away. Already surprisingly restrictive to work around. Please don't make it tougher!

LlynTegid · 03/02/2024 20:59

Thank you @boys3 and I have responded to make my opposition to the proposed change.

leenute · 03/02/2024 21:24

My dcs are in private school and they get 8.5 weeks in the summer. I quite enjoy it, I'm a sahm but still use activity camps etc so they can try new activities or spend a week doing something they enjoy. On balance thoigh I'd probably prefer longer breaks at half term. I don't really like going away at half terms because I like to have a day before and after to get organised, a week feels too short unless it's just a local UK break.

wronginalltherightways · 04/02/2024 09:33

jannier · 03/02/2024 18:40

Who wants a long October or Feb holiday in soggy cold Britain not everyone can afford abroad and all this would do is make summer more expensive and harder to get as all parents now competing for 4 weeks not 6

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It would also drive up the costs for the other weeks, too.

MenorcaMarguerite · 04/02/2024 09:41

0rangeCrush · 03/02/2024 17:16

But they don’t get paid. Their salary is pro rata. They get about 6 weeks holiday a year, paid. In effect the whole summer is unpaid. If they cut it down to say 4 weeks, salaries would need to be increased.

Yes, however annoying people may find it, that is the contract. And I don't know many people that would work an extra two weeks without expecting to be paid for it!

Milkandnosugarplease · 04/02/2024 10:00

Dreadful idea.

I get the point about childcare but do we want to be in a position where children are ‘working’ the same hours as their parents?

it will drive up education costs at a time where school budgets are under severe stress.

beverlytun · 04/02/2024 10:17

Marilla1966 · 03/02/2024 14:53

We, and Germany, have one of the shortest summer hols in Europe. As a Primary teacher, I would hate 4 weeks. The kids all need a break and you need a definite mark between changing to the next year group. Not sure people realise how much time is spent preparing for a new cohort….especially if you have to change classrooms. 4 weeks would equate to a 2.5 week break, tops.

Yes - which is a normal amount of annual leave in other jobs?

MenorcaMarguerite · 04/02/2024 10:30

beverlytun · 04/02/2024 10:17

Yes - which is a normal amount of annual leave in other jobs?

2.5 weeks is a not a normal amount of annual leave??

From the government: "Most workers who work a 5-day week must receive at least 28 days' paid annual leave a year. This is the equivalent of 5.6 weeks of holiday."

Anyway, the holidays are in the teacher's contract. Right now, the contract is 190 teaching days plus 5 days training per year. It would still be within the contract to move the holidays around but as others have pointed out this would bring both positives and negatives.

beverlytun · 04/02/2024 11:40

@MenorcaMarguerite I meant in the summer. It's normal to have 2.5 weeks off in the summer. Teachers seem to expect an awful lot
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0rangeCrush · 04/02/2024 11:43

beverlytun · 04/02/2024 11:40

@MenorcaMarguerite I meant in the summer. It's normal to have 2.5 weeks off in the summer. Teachers seem to expect an awful lot
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Because they aren’t paid for the entire 6 week summer holiday.

Do you work for 3.5 weeks per year for free? Because that’s what you are proposing teachers do.

Futb0l · 04/02/2024 11:43

I'd rather it was split - 4 weeks in summer, with an extra week at easter/spring bank or October half term