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To question DS 12 hanging out with 'The Ladz'

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TheArts · 28/01/2024 14:57

We live in a small community. Everyone knows each other. It is a very well off extremely middle class area.
Within the village, there is some social housing and there's 5 boys the same age as my DS living there. DS has been friends with all 5 of them since age 5. He gets on well with them, always included them to his birthday parties, we've had them round for playdates over the years, etc.
Through primary school they were all well behaved boys.
I know all the mums to say hi to but I've always found them stand-offish towards me even though I've been really friendly to them over the years.
Anyway, since going to secondary school these boys have all changed seemingly overnight into really badly behaved boys.
Now they're all 12, they're meeting up independently and going to the local park to hang out, and they are frequently calling at our house for my DS to hang out with them, which I'm agreeing to and am letting DS go out with them.
But DS is coming home after each occasion saying that when they're out together, these friends are shoplifting sweets from our local shop, ringing on people's doorbells then running away including houses that are family friends of ours, starting arguments and being physical with other kids they see out and about (who my DS is actually friends with), throwing stuff around, littering, and other low level antisocial stuff. I am spending all my time really strictly saying to DS "You are absolutely NOT to get involved in any of this behaviour" but he wants to hang out with these boys as theyve been friends for years but DS himself is nothing like this in his behaviour and is shocked by their behaviour. I'm really worried that my DS is going to very quickly develop a bad reputation by being seen out around our village with these boys who I know are rapidly developing a bad reputation. I feel quite stressed about it.
The group of them are always dressed in black sportswear head to toe and white trainers with shaved hairstyles, whereas my DS walks around in coloured surf wear clothes and has long floppy hair, so he stands out amongst the group and I hate the idea of people around the area sering him hanging out with this group of boys who are behaving like this.
They all get given loads of money to go to the local shop with, like £20 every single time they go out to the park. I refuse to give DS £20 to spend on sweets and junk every time he goes out with them. Their mums give them no rules, they have no boundaries, no time limits, nothing. Whereas I give my DS begaviour rules, boundaries of where he's allowed to go, time limits of when he has to be back home by, he has to keep in touch with me so I know where he is, etc. And he HAS to be back at the agreed time.
But this causes problems for him because none of them have these limits. They're all still out and about together in the dark every day with no set home time!
More and more people are identifying this group as being 'trouble' and I've had comments about people being surprised my DS is friends with them all. Even on parents evening at school, 2 teachers expressed surprise to me that DS spends his lunchtimes with them, and 1 of the teachers challenged me on this, asking me why DS hangs out with them and saying that DS 'could do much, much better with his choice of friends'. These boys spend their lives in detention for disruptive behaviour at school like interrupting the teachers, talking in class, not doing homework. Whereas DS always does his homework, never talks or interrupts in class, has never had even 1 detention.
These boys seem to really like DS and are behave as really good friends towards him, they treat him respectfully, are kind to him, include him in plans, they seem to all gravitate towards him.
I've known these boys since they were 4 or 5.
When I talk to them 1 to 1, they're all nice enough kids. But out together as a group on their own with no adults they're turning into kids that I don't really want my DS to be hanging out with.
AIBU?

OP posts:
JMSA · 28/01/2024 15:01

Gosh, what a tricky one. If not for the anti-social behaviour, I'd be happy for them to hang out.
A part of me also imagines that they're bored stiff, living where you do. I take it there are no youth clubs or similar?

JMSA · 28/01/2024 15:03

I work with boys who sound similar. Many of them are really into going to the gym, and it keeps them out of trouble. The council run gyms/sports centres have specially run programmes for them. Again, I take it there's nothing like that?

JMSA · 28/01/2024 15:05

And it sounds like the school could do with a visit from the community police officer. Most secondary schools here in Scotland have one assigned to them.

Bex5490 · 28/01/2024 15:33

That is tricky - but on the positive side, your DS is being really honest with you about their behaviour and seemingly not getting involved. However, if something serious ends up happening, the law on joint enterprise means that he could be prosecuted for a crime just by being there.

Is he aware of this?

He sounds sensible so maybe educating him on the dangers of being a bystander might be a place to start.

Would they do a structured thing once a week with him (cinema, bowling etc.) so he could keep them as friends but avoid ‘hanging out?’

Bbq1 · 28/01/2024 15:42

I would not be allowing this
What does your ds get from meeting up with them? While all the anti social behaviour is going on, does he just stand back watching them? That can't be much fun. Be open with your son snd be explicit about why he shouldn't br hanging around with these friends. As they grow their behaviour will likely escalate. Could your sob join some clubs so he's not as available to spend time with these boys and he can make new, more suit friends? If he's seen regularly with the lads he will soon get a bad reputation and may be coerced into dodgy activites.

penjil · 28/01/2024 18:47

JMSA · 28/01/2024 15:05

And it sounds like the school could do with a visit from the community police officer. Most secondary schools here in Scotland have one assigned to them.

Do they?! Oh my!
That doesn't sound good! 😬

MissyB1 · 28/01/2024 18:50

I would start to limit the meeting up outside of school. And find activities/hobbies for your boy to keep him busy and provide an opportunity to make new mates.

Wemetatascoutcamp · 28/01/2024 20:03

penjil · 28/01/2024 18:47

Do they?! Oh my!
That doesn't sound good! 😬

@penjil its about education and developing a good relationship with kids rather than coming into arrest them for anti-social behaviour. They are assigned to an area and visit nurseries & primary schools (not just secondary) discussing things like road safety etc. They do sometimes have to deal with local issues ie they did go in to speak about vandalism when there was a spate of graffiti last year but on the whole its positive.

Squidlette · 28/01/2024 20:33

Tell him he can't go. Maybe he wants to you to, so he doesn't have to make the call.
Dd is the same age. She wants to go wandering round, in the dark, with her mates. I've said a categoric no. I mean, we don't live in an overly nice area, so that does have a bearing on it. In also encouraging her to make friends with other kids whose parents don't yet let them out at night.

ballsdeep · 28/01/2024 20:38

If he isn’t like them he wouldn’t want to hang around with them.

LutonBeds · 28/01/2024 20:42

@JMSA A lot of gyms won’t let you join at that age, certainly wouldn’t let you in unaccompanied or in a big group of young lads/girls.

Namechangenamechange321 · 28/01/2024 21:01

i really wouldn’t let him continue to go out with these boys. Find a tactful way to frame it but your son is going to end up in trouble if you don’t help him. Does he have other friends? Can you find weekend activities so he’s too busy to see them?

Namechangenamechange321 · 28/01/2024 21:02

Ps I say that as someone who could probably have done with stronger boundaries from my own parents

CaptainMyCaptain · 28/01/2024 21:07

Squidlette · 28/01/2024 20:33

Tell him he can't go. Maybe he wants to you to, so he doesn't have to make the call.
Dd is the same age. She wants to go wandering round, in the dark, with her mates. I've said a categoric no. I mean, we don't live in an overly nice area, so that does have a bearing on it. In also encouraging her to make friends with other kids whose parents don't yet let them out at night.

I agree. He can blame you for not being able to go out but that's OK.

Temporaryanonymity · 28/01/2024 21:15

Quite honestly, you need to set some boundaries. I was set to tell you that you were being completely unreasonable when you mentioned social housing. You get kids like this from all sorts of backgrounds.

I have kept my teenage sons busy after school so they’ve never been ones to hang around in big groups. I’ve also said no to them going out many times. They don’t ask now. My sons have plenty of activities to keep them occupied. Things like air cadets, sports, gaming etc.

Parentofeanda · 28/01/2024 23:26

Honestly I would be stopping this asap. Find a way whatever you do, dont let them turn your boy into them... i see it happen all the time.

Bobbotgegrinch · 28/01/2024 23:50

ballsdeep · 28/01/2024 20:38

If he isn’t like them he wouldn’t want to hang around with them.

Well that's a load of trite bollocks.

This is a 12 year old who doesn't want to lose the social circle he's had his whole life.

Most adults would find that hugely daunting, let alone a kid on the cusp of becoming a teenager. You can't blame him for not ditching them, even if he doesn't approve of what they're doing.

His parents need to step in and take action, although I don't have any more answers than OP does on what to do. It's a hugely difficult situation for OP and her child.

BestZebbie · 28/01/2024 23:59

Do you have a space where your son could invite the whole lot of them to come into yours for unsupervised (you in house but shut in another room wfh etc) cook-it-themselves frozen pizzas, wifi and hanging-out-in-a-place-with-a-roof-and-central-heating for a few hours once or a couple of times a week? Do you have a decent multiplayer games console?

If they have always known your house and it is clear it is your son letting them drop in at his, not a playdate, they might be up for it (and not trash the house beyond leaving food wrappers)?

It might also be easier for your son to become busy on a few of the other nights/at weekends too, if that is going on.

Marblessolveeverything · 29/01/2024 00:40

The reality is if he is seen to associate with them he will be tarred by the same brush. I would work really hard at diluting this group with nicer lads.

The physical interventions would be my worry, it doesn't take long for one Muppet to bring a knife.

JMSA · 29/01/2024 18:51

LutonBeds · 28/01/2024 20:42

@JMSA A lot of gyms won’t let you join at that age, certainly wouldn’t let you in unaccompanied or in a big group of young lads/girls.

Can't remember how old the OP said her son was, but the 12 year old boys at my school go to the gym ... albeit not in big groups!

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