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Feeling inadequate and left out by family

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Biculturalfamily · 27/01/2024 10:48

I am on a 6 day ski holiday with my husband and two kids (10,11) and two other families. It's the first time for me and the kids. They have taken to it very well and are off on the slopes with my husband. I took lessons and found it hard, often humiliating, and frightening. I did have some successful moments and I think I might be open to doing it again, now I've learnt a bit. However, after 4 days, I stopped as my legs were too tired and my nerves too raw.

I just feel so left out and inadequate and sad. Im crying a lot. We are doing half-board in a lovely hotel. The other couples proposed a table for adults and one for children for breakfast and dinner. This means I don't see my children over either meal and I don't see them when they are skiing. There are just the moments in the room or over a quick sandwich at the ski restaurant ( surrounded by others). My husband sits beside me at the table but we are involved in conversations with other people all the time. I have no engagement with the three members of my family who are caught up in the thrill of this activity that they love. I feel so irrelevant. I am so sad and feel so rejected and like I could/should just step away from their lives without any real loss to them.

All conversation is in my husband's native language btw, which I am pretty fluent in but also make really basic mistakes in, which my husband and children criticise ( in private, at home) so even conversation is a bit stressful.

I admit I have been acting out a bit with my husband, blaming him for not involving me enough or being affectionate. He gets angry, saying that being unreasonable and that I'm obviously just not feeling well ( I am on HRT and antidepressants) and that I shouldn't blame him for how I feel.

I should add that I pushed for this holiday when my husband's friends proposed that we join them. (my husband plans nothing and nothing would happen without me). I wanted the kids to feel competent on skis and I knew my husband would love time with his friend. So, I've been really proactive about making this happen but now I'm so sad because I feel like my presence is irrelevant to my family. I imagine the three of them here next year without me, or living their lives in general without me. I guess I am being entirely unreasonable to feel this way as a result of a holiday. Or should my family do more to include me?

Background - I had a very miserable childhood. No exaggeration, I never heard a kind word from my parents growing up. I was constantly criticised and mocked by my mother. My father was entirely passive and disengaged except when he was laughing about me with my mother. I was good at school which was my salvation, up until a certain point, but also created a lot of anxiety for me. Being good at school/ university was the only thing I had going for me so if I faultered academically, I felt utterly worthless. I was also pretty, though not beautiful or glamorous, which was a source of validation. Now I'm 46 though and ten kilos heavier than I should be ( though just 3kilos officially overweight). Workwise, I've been successful but again, without being an outstanding leader or very impactful in my job. I feel quite inadequate in most ways. God knows what kind of problems I am creating for my children.

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bogbabe · 27/01/2024 12:55

It's okay to not enjoy a ski holiday, it's not for everyone.
You do sound a little over sensitive and suffering MH issue so you need to allow your family the ski holiday and concentrate upon yourself.

Astridspuzzle · 27/01/2024 12:58

I had a similar childhood with very autocratic parents and have always preferred to be a team member rather than a leader. I think it stems from childhood - I don't put myself forward or try new things. I've also had anxiety.

Last year I had CBT and this year I'm pushing myself to do things that feel a bit scary to bolster my confidence both in work and in terms of hobbies.

Skiing might have been a step too far outside your comfort zone. On the other hand you did it! Look how far you've come. I'm swimming in deep water now which I never thought I'd have the nerve to do.

My parents' behaviour is in the past and I'm not going to let it shape my future (any longer)

Notonthestairs · 27/01/2024 13:01

It's not enough to arrange the holiday - you have to follow through. That means not blaming others for you not enjoying the same activity.

I don't like water sports. My family do. I wave them off and find things to do that I find enjoyable.

You anticipated that it probably wasn't the best choice of holiday for you - now you need to make good on that by focusing on what you can positively do for the last 48 hours that makes you happy.

Biculturalfamily · 27/01/2024 13:02

Good for you Astrid's puzzle. I think it is the case that I was trying to push myself out of my comfort zone for the sake of the kids and I've stumbled a bit.

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missmollygreen · 27/01/2024 13:04

It is 6 days, go and get a wine and enjoy the view

Astridspuzzle · 27/01/2024 13:04

AIBU probably isn't the right place for your post as you say OP.

It's not the end of the world that skiing hasn't gone as well as you'd like. Just soak up anything you can learn from the experience and the holiday and don't lose heart. 💐💐💐

If you've had crap parents perhaps some counselling would help. I didn't have any myself but would be open to it if I need it in the future. For the moment I'm building my confidence by doing things and trying to be kind to myself.

Chin up OP

XmaswasbadNYisworse · 27/01/2024 13:04

Sorry you're feeling left out. Skiing is wonderful, and it does tend to make people ski bores a bit! They're just excited because they don't get to do it often, it's really not going to be any reflection on how they feel about you, although it can feel that way, especially with your background.

However, as a constructive suggestion - for now, enjoy things like the spa, get a massage, maybe a dog sled ride, horse ride/carriage etc and enjoy what you can when they're on the slopes. Some places also do microlight fights or paraglider ski flights, both of which are amazing! Skidoo safaris as well. And then you'll have something exciting to talk about as well, rather than just feeling left out.

Before next year (because they'll likely want to go again), if you'd be open to going again, take some lessons and get some practice on a dry or indoor snow slope, and then you'll feel much better about it and have more fun.

Astridspuzzle · 27/01/2024 13:08

By the way I'm menopausal too OP and I've found the transition tough mentally. Exercise has really helped me.

Krustykrabpizza · 27/01/2024 13:13

I think YABU as I just can't relate. A holiday where everyone leaves me alone sounds blissful.

Astridspuzzle · 27/01/2024 13:15

Biculturalfamily · 27/01/2024 13:02

Good for you Astrid's puzzle. I think it is the case that I was trying to push myself out of my comfort zone for the sake of the kids and I've stumbled a bit.

That sounds likely, trying to do your best for all but it was less enjoyable than you hoped!

Baby steps. You can always do skiing classes at home at your own pace.
My swimming instructor told me to take things at my pace and not to put myself under too much pressure. So I just aimed for a small improvement every week. This week I was entirely happy threading water which amazes me.

For the rest of the holiday, take the wins. You went, you tried, you joined in. You were brave.

Astridspuzzle · 27/01/2024 13:17

Treading water I meant!

Icepop79 · 27/01/2024 13:17

You did 4 days ski-ing despite not really enjoying it - well done for sticking it out that long! Give yourself the last 2 days off. Curl up with a book, wander out to a cafe and get an amaretto hot chocolate.

If you do this as a holiday again, here are some tips:

  1. book yourself a couple of private lessons at the start of the holiday rather than ski school.
  2. book a hotel with other stuff to do, or go to a resort big enough to have other things to enjoy,
  3. arrange to meet your family for lunch so they can share their ski-ing adventures with you.
  4. make sure you have at least one evening meal where you insist adults and children all sit together.
  5. make the most of the time after the lifts close and before dinner to do something as a family - board game, wander round shops, hot chocolate…

One of my friends endures ski holidays because she always makes sure to remember it’s her holiday too. She skis a bit, but it’s not her thing so she’ll generally only ski mornings and give herself a couple of days off the slopes.

SportMum1982 · 27/01/2024 13:22

Hi OP, There is a lot to unpick in your initial post.

Firstly - have you had any therapy. I’m talking about a psychotherapist for your childhood. You could really do with some work on this sooner rather than later.

Secondly- you know a lot of the feelings you’re having stem back to your childhood (even the playing up to your husband).

Thirdly- like PPs have said, you must go and do your own thing. Enjoy the facilities, resort, other activities.

Skiing isn’t the be all and end all. Trust me most of the world can’t ski. Enjoy the scenery, reading, people watching. Learn to be comfortable in your own company. Please don’t be so hard on yourself.

HamBone · 27/01/2024 15:00

I first put in a pair of skis aged 40 and I’ve always been blooming hopeless. I just don’t have the confidence to relax and go for it…I assume that I’ll break a bone or mow down a toddler. 😂

So I know what it’s like to be the only non-skier in a group. As PP’s have said, relax and enjoy the facilities. I’d be reading, having a coffee or glass of wine and just enjoying not working and rushing around for a few days.

i agree with others that you might need some counselling to help you with your feelings. I’m diagnosed with GAD and have found that a combination of AD’s and counselling have really helped me no longer catastrophise. Good luck, OP. 💐

PretzelMeUp · 27/01/2024 15:03

Biculturalfamily · 27/01/2024 12:48

This was the first time I asked for advice and I think I used the wrong format. I shouldn't have asked Aibu? Of course Iabu. I know I'm being triggered by my childhood. That's why I included that information. And I know it's unfair to take this out on my children and husband. I do put them first and try to push my issues out of the way. Hence the holiday that I arranged despite my fears ( which were realised). I suppose I was looking for some kindness and encouragement, for confirmation that I'm not a terrible person for feeling this way. With the exception of scierradoll and Linda Oxford, I got some useful inputs. Thank you for those.

I think you need to take a breath and re-read every post. No one was unkind - which is unusual in AIBU. I took time out of my day to try and make you feel better, as did several others. If you cannot see how much effort people are making on this post, that is very disappointing.

W0tnow · 27/01/2024 15:07

Skiing as an adult is hard. Well done for having a go! Book yourself a one on one lesson. Explain your fears to your instructor (ask for a female if possible) and spend a day on the baby slopes. Skiing is absolutely joyous for kids, they pick it up quickly. Let them have fun.

if you really don’t want to go out again, just meet them for lunch.

Biculturalfamily · 27/01/2024 15:29

I did thank you and others for the helpful inputs. There were only two posts that are thought were unkind, one of which has been deleted.

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