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AIBU to want to know what happened? Trigger warning: possible child abuse

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HairEyebrowsLipsEtc · 23/01/2024 22:47

Name changed as potentially identifying and don’t want this linked to other posts….

I moved to a lovely village last year with DH and DDs - lovely and close knit community, making lots of friends, DDs loving village life, I’ve joined the PTA etc - all very idyllic, but I found out from one of my new friends that one of the other parents in the village was charged by the police with child sexual exploitation a few years ago. Apparently he was arrested (and it was covered by local news at the time) and went to court, but found not guilty - but although I can find media stories about his arrest, I can’t find any information about the trial.

I really want to find out what happened. DD2 is becoming friends with this man’s DD and I don’t know what to do. Everyone in the village seems determined that he’s not guilty because that was the outcome in court, but without knowing why he was found not guilty I can’t trust this - lack of evidence doesn’t equal lack of guilt, and the police had enough confidence at the time he was arrested to publicise it, so they must have been fairly confident of his guilt? I’ve tried asking my friend but she seemed annoyed with me for asking and it’s so difficult because she allows her children to go to his house to play with his daughter, it must seem like I’m judging her decisions by asking more about him. But I can’t let it lie - DD2 is primary age and asking to go over there, and I can’t explain to her the real reason I won’t allow it. I feel so bad for this man’s DD who seems like a lovely girl and who DD2 gets on really well with ☹️

So to get to my AIBU - am I unreasonable to want to see some sort of transcript of this man’s trial, so I can judge whether he could be a risk to DD2? I’ve tried searching and assumed this would be in the public domain but can’t find anything, only the media reports from when he was first arrested. If I’m not being unreasonable to want this information, where can I find it?

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OrlandointheWilderness · 25/01/2024 10:29

This is a tricky one. My initial reaction was that he was found not guilty, and that is was unfair to keep dogging an innocent person with this.

Then I thought what would I do if it was my DD?? There is absolutely no realistic way I would be comfortable putting her in the middle of this. I would be keeping my distance.

Windymcwindyson · 25/01/2024 10:32

Plenty of ways your dd can maintain a friendship without going to the friend's home.

LuvSmallDogs · 25/01/2024 11:37

Imagine if you sent your DD to his house, all seems well, so it becomes a regular thing. It goes on for years, maybe.

Then you get a phonecall from the police, as there have been allegations from another child and yours and your DD's names have come up when they made enquiries.

It turns out your DD has been groomed and abused by this man. One day, she realises (or you tell her) that there was a red flag that you ignored.

There was a less official red flag for my parents. An older girl from sports club (now a young adult who no longer attended) approached us at a restaurant, having recognised me.

She had had a few drinks maybe but wasn't out of it. She got very upset and begged mum and dad not to take me to that club anymore, and told them that he had raped her. Imagine being about 18 and so worried for a younger girl that you blurt out about your rape to her middle aged dad you don't know?

That red flag got ignored by my parents, but I was the one that paid the price for it.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 25/01/2024 12:41

HairEyebrowsLipsEtc · 24/01/2024 12:52

Thank you for the advice about Sarah’s law - would he be told that I’d asked for this information? Everyone here seems so determined that he’s not guilty and I don’t think it would go down well if people found out I was questioning it ☹️

If you care what the neighbours think of your rules then you can have the same rule (no play dates without you present or no sleepovers or whatever) for all children.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 25/01/2024 12:42

quisensoucie · 25/01/2024 07:02

@HairEyebrowsLipsEtc I hope you or your family never have a brush with the law, because dear christ, what if you were innocent yet people kept trying to find out how you can possibly be innocent because they don't believe it
You've said the most of the village believe him innocent yet that's not enough
People didn't believe the post-office people were innocent either, look what happened there

She's not saying he should be hung, just that she doesn't want to take any risks with her daughter

heartbroken22 · 25/01/2024 12:42

You've got some great advice particularly from @LuvSmallDogs. I wouldn't send my daughter there.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 25/01/2024 12:45

NotQuiteNorma · 25/01/2024 08:48

A lot of armchair detectives here convinced of the man's guilt without any knowledge of the case whatsoever, let's just hope to god they never end up on a jury because there's little chance of a fair trial.

So this man has managed to convince a sworn in jury and an entire village that he was not guilty?

Just because the police had enough evidence to prepare a file for the CPS does not mean they were convinced of his guilt. It doesn't work like that. It's not the job of the police to decide guilt. That's the job of a jury and based on the evidence the police provided the jury, they found him not guilty.

But if course, he's still guilty as sin. Seriously OP, a crown jury found him not guilty. The entire village believes he was innocent. But you want to know all the sordid details?

If you cannot handle the thought that someone was found not guilty, then don't let your child pay with theirs. But going round trying to find out all the juicy details and internet stalking the man based on something that isn't even anything to do with you? You have way too much time on your hands. Find a hobby.

People like you are the reason innocent people spend their lives persecuted and gossiped about. It's none of your business. If you think the court was wrong and the entire village has been hoodwinked then just keep away from the family and get on with your own life.

Abusers are charming, any woman on here who has experienced dv or cse will tell you that their abusers are highly regarded and liked in their social circles.

And convicting someone and sending them to prison is very different to not being willing to take what could be a tiny risk with one's own child. I wouldn't convict a man who has been accused of cse without a lot of evidence but I definitely wouldn't leave a child alone with him.

FrangipaniBlue · 25/01/2024 13:59

if there was enough evidence to publicise the arrest and take it to trial, that’s surely a lot of evidence!

This isn't necessarily true.

I've been a witness at a court case where even the investigating police officers couldn't believe the CPS decided to prosecute and the Judge effectively said the same thing in the summing up. Certainly wasn't in the public interest and will have cost the taxpayer a lot of money.

I've also been on Jury duty where it was questionable whether it should have even made it to court.

In both instances the accused was found not guilty and IMO, quite rightly so!

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