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Renting. Does this sound right??

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Happyluci · 23/01/2024 00:49

Since I’ve moved in 2 years ago my rent has increased around 18%. It’s set to go up again in June and this will be around 28% higher rent than when I got the keys to the house.

My landlord says his mortgage has doubled and has gone up 14 times in a year.

does this sound right or does it seem an unfair increase?

I know about inflation and mortgage rates going up but 28% higher rent in a year seems a lot to me but I could be wrong so just looking for advice. Thank you

OP posts:
missmollygreen · 25/01/2024 21:18

ScrantonDunderMifflin · 25/01/2024 14:02

Yes, I don't think rent should be covering 100% of sky high mortgages.
Greedy people buy lots of houses they can't afford, rent house sky high.
Someone decent will buy one extra property if they can afford to pay some of the mortgage themselves (let's say 15-20%), knowing fine we'll the tenant is covering most of the mortgage, thus the LL is benefiting already.
If LLs sold tens of houses they can't afford (like someone here saying how she owns 8 and had to put rent up and how she's helping the OP by trying explain why the costs have gone up, oh bless her heart), there would be more houses available for people who need them.

Where I lived, rich people from Middle East bought lots of flats, are maintaining them to an absolutely terrible standard and increased the rents. Because they bought and own so many flats now, tenants have nothing to do other than pay what they ask for for these absolutely disgustingly maintained properties. That should not be allowed.

So only the super rich who can afford to buy houses outright should be landlords?

Densol57 · 25/01/2024 21:21

Biscuitsandpizza · 25/01/2024 20:39

Well no, you don't have properties worth '2 mil', because as you said yourself, they're on I/O mortgages...that would only be a brag if you'd been paying down the capital, and therefore had potential to make significant money on increasing equity!

Try and read the WHOLE thread sweetie
Ive already answered this question a few pages back
Let me know if you need any further help ? 🤣

Biscuitsandpizza · 25/01/2024 22:14

Densol57 · 25/01/2024 21:21

Try and read the WHOLE thread sweetie
Ive already answered this question a few pages back
Let me know if you need any further help ? 🤣

It's OK sweetie, I don't care that much

Cosyblankets · 25/01/2024 22:24

missmollygreen · 25/01/2024 21:18

So only the super rich who can afford to buy houses outright should be landlords?

And according to another post the houses that are mortgage free shouldn't be allowed to charge rent!

Mew2 · 26/01/2024 08:25

So since 2021 my mortgage rate has gone from 3% to 9% and back to 8% now. I don't have an interest only mortgage and am paying the equity off. I don't make any money from my house at all- did in 2019/2020... however my tenants pay less than my mortgage- why because I have a house I will own at the end of the term- they won't. Mine we didn't need to sell when I got married and will be my children's when they come of age so they can have a deposit to get on the ladder.
If its a interest only mortgage however they need to make money on it- to ensure they can take care of it....

Cosyblankets · 26/01/2024 08:59

Mew2 · 26/01/2024 08:25

So since 2021 my mortgage rate has gone from 3% to 9% and back to 8% now. I don't have an interest only mortgage and am paying the equity off. I don't make any money from my house at all- did in 2019/2020... however my tenants pay less than my mortgage- why because I have a house I will own at the end of the term- they won't. Mine we didn't need to sell when I got married and will be my children's when they come of age so they can have a deposit to get on the ladder.
If its a interest only mortgage however they need to make money on it- to ensure they can take care of it....

How does it work with the bank? Did you have to change to a different mortgage because you were renting it out?

HappiestSleeping · 26/01/2024 09:20

Cosyblankets · 26/01/2024 08:59

How does it work with the bank? Did you have to change to a different mortgage because you were renting it out?

In my case, I rented a house I previously lived in and had to get written permission to rent. This is normally valid for a specific period of time, after which the lender will want you to take out a buy to let mortgage which usually is a higher rate of interest.

caringcarer · 26/01/2024 10:42

ScrantonDunderMifflin · 23/01/2024 09:48

....and with that money landlord pays some of the mortgage.

So are you suggesting a renter should pay less than LL pays on an interest only mortgage most LL have? What would be the incentive for the LL to let out the property if they were letting at a loss? The rent paid needs to cover interest only mortgage, gas certificate, and cost of repairs plus some element of profit for LL. If the LL only paid some of the mortgage the house would be reprocessed. You are living on a different planet with your beliefs.

Amba1998 · 26/01/2024 10:45

I’m not a LL

But my mortgage increased by £500 a month at the height of the rate issues last year

caringcarer · 26/01/2024 10:59

Dotjones · 25/01/2024 15:09

The simple solution is to make the maximum rent a landlord can charge be fixed as a proportion of their mortgage payment. If say landlords could only charge 90% of their mortgage payment it would get a lot of the amateur landlords out of the game. No mortgage = no rent chargeable. For the serious property speculator it still could work, they'd lose money each month but would still build up equity. It'd get rid of those who just have an interest only mortgage for a start.

If a LL could only charge 90 percent of mortgage you wouldn't have any LL except about 1 percent who own outright. There are many more costs for LL than the mortgage. Many councils charge licence fees to LL who let out property, annual gas certificates, annual boiler service, electricity certificate to keep up with changing regulations, building insurance, insurance against tenants who don't pay rent, maintenance/repairs, accountancy fees for tax, utility bills and council tax for void month between tenants etc. There are tens of thousands of houses on RM in all areas of the country. There is no shortage of houses for sale. Why do you think they have not sold? I will tell you. It's nothing to do with LL's. It's either because people don't have a deposit saved up to afford to buy them, or people don't have the income multipliers to pass the stress testing mortgage companies use so can't get a big enough mortgage. Yet you chose to blame LL because in your fantasy world they are the ones you chose to blame for everything.

caringcarer · 26/01/2024 11:01

Cosyblankets · 25/01/2024 22:24

And according to another post the houses that are mortgage free shouldn't be allowed to charge rent!

🤣🤣🤣 Many people it seems live in this fantasy world.

aname1234 · 26/01/2024 21:26

The bank only issues mortgages when the rent income covers the mortgage and then some.

Tourmalines · 26/01/2024 22:24

caringcarer · 26/01/2024 10:59

If a LL could only charge 90 percent of mortgage you wouldn't have any LL except about 1 percent who own outright. There are many more costs for LL than the mortgage. Many councils charge licence fees to LL who let out property, annual gas certificates, annual boiler service, electricity certificate to keep up with changing regulations, building insurance, insurance against tenants who don't pay rent, maintenance/repairs, accountancy fees for tax, utility bills and council tax for void month between tenants etc. There are tens of thousands of houses on RM in all areas of the country. There is no shortage of houses for sale. Why do you think they have not sold? I will tell you. It's nothing to do with LL's. It's either because people don't have a deposit saved up to afford to buy them, or people don't have the income multipliers to pass the stress testing mortgage companies use so can't get a big enough mortgage. Yet you chose to blame LL because in your fantasy world they are the ones you chose to blame for everything.

The dip shits are too ignorant to realise that .

DottyLottieLou · 27/01/2024 07:18

It is easy to see why more and more landlords can't be bothered with this anymore and are selling up. Soon there will be hardly any private let's and then you'll all be stuffed. What's the point in being a landlord if you can't make money. It's not a charity.

IKnowYouBetterThanThat · 27/01/2024 20:47

RedundancyRita · 25/01/2024 06:23

The mortgage might not be the OPs problem but equally the landlord can't make a loss can they.

Well possibly, if the amount needed to cover the mortgage would mean they were charging more than market value for the flat. That's why I posted the quote and link to Citizen's Advice who know more about it than I do. I never said the OP's landlord couldn't increase the rent at all. A 28% increase in two years sounds like a lot. Where I live, market value has gone up by about 10 -15% in the last two years and that's for the nice flats - the grotty ones sit on Rightmove for ages unless the price gets reduced. OP's area might be different.

muckcook · 28/01/2024 10:07

DottyLottieLou · 27/01/2024 07:18

It is easy to see why more and more landlords can't be bothered with this anymore and are selling up. Soon there will be hardly any private let's and then you'll all be stuffed. What's the point in being a landlord if you can't make money. It's not a charity.

Fingers crossed x

NaughtybutNice77 · 28/01/2024 10:17

It's not just the mortgage payments, it's the upkeep, so any trades, furnishings etc. He's running a business remember. Before he might have been happy to break even but now with COL he's relying on profit. The alternative might be selling up.
It's unclear why you're asking. I doubt challenging him will have much affect. Look around and see what similar properties are renting for in your town. If it's a lit less you might have the startvifva conversation.

HappiestSleeping · 28/01/2024 10:52

muckcook · 28/01/2024 10:07

Fingers crossed x

Just checking I understand you correctly. Are you saying you want less rental properties available, and higher rent prices?

If so, why?

Cosyblankets · 28/01/2024 11:08

Just a thought but would all those who want fewer private landlords and more social housing be happy to pay more tax to fund this? The money to pay for it doesn't grow on trees.

I do think we need a better balance between private rentals and social housing but private landlords are not a charity and are not subsidised like social housing is.

HappiestSleeping · 28/01/2024 11:14

Cosyblankets · 28/01/2024 11:08

Just a thought but would all those who want fewer private landlords and more social housing be happy to pay more tax to fund this? The money to pay for it doesn't grow on trees.

I do think we need a better balance between private rentals and social housing but private landlords are not a charity and are not subsidised like social housing is.

And that the subsidy for social housing is, at least in part, funded by the taxes paid by private landlords.

This thread is hilarious and depressing in equal measure. The amount of people living in cuckoo land is quite stunning isn't it? Just beating on the private landlords with no proposed alternative. 🤦‍♂️

Enterthewolves · 31/01/2024 08:55

Actually I’ve seen several proposed alternatives on this thread. Maybe it suits you not to see them?

HappiestSleeping · 31/01/2024 11:36

Enterthewolves · 31/01/2024 08:55

Actually I’ve seen several proposed alternatives on this thread. Maybe it suits you not to see them?

There are proposed alternatives, but none that are realistic. They seem to rely on a mysterious magic money tree and a complete change to the capitalist society we live in. They may be more suited to communism?

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