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Marking 180 mock papers….can’t cope

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Supermummy88 · 21/01/2024 19:28

Good everyone.

I’ve been teaching for over 10 years and had a career break for 2 years whilst my children were young and not in full time school. I was doing supply a few days a week. However, I’ve now gone back into work full time and taken the role as head of geography. I started in October. I have 3 year 11 classes, 2 year 10 classes, 2 year 9 classes, 1 year 8 and 1 year 7.

The year 11’s had their mocks in december and I marked both paper 1 and paper 2. Both papers were about 20 pages long each…120 papers in total! I really struggled to mark them all. I have 2 young children of my own and I felt they really struggled as I spent no time with them at all.

Year 11 now have mocks again in February and I will have to mark again, however this time I will also have to mark paper 3. I know deep down I won’t be able to cope…especially because of the work load I already have. I’m now thinking that I perhaps should have just stuck to supply teaching. It took me about 40 minutes to mark each paper as there are many extended questions.

What are your thoughts on this? In previous schools I’ve only ever had one year 11 class so the mock marking wasn’t as intense.

Thank you

OP posts:
MalcolmsMiddle · 23/01/2024 20:15

Deedooli · 23/01/2024 20:03

I don’t believe that to be correct, @MrsHamlet We still have directed time restrictions. Is the clause you’re referring to the one that says we can be directed as per the Headteacher’s needs? That’s true but it isn’t referring to hours worked.

I’m a secondary deputy and we give all of our staff a directed time calculation at the beginning of the year. This takes into consideration parents’ evenings, open evenings, CPD, meetings etc and arrives at a personalised calculation based on working pattern etc.

We only have meetings one day per week and then, if we have parents’ evening that week, we don’t have one of our ‘usual’ meetings. It means we’re keeping to the directed time allowance and no one is over their 1.265 hours. We’re a single academy trust.

That sounds absolutely amazing tbf, one of the schools in the trust I work in is already on track for 1,400+. So many meetings, CPD and Y11 extra lessons after school

I fear you're in a bit of a minority but hopefully it changes.

worstofbothworlds · 23/01/2024 20:18

I'm a university lecturer and we have 350 first years who all write 2 essays in their end of year exams. We share it out strictly and all end up marking things we have never taught, with moderation (I e. benchmarking).

You MUST get help, the other teacher or a TA (our raw first year postgrads mark even if they have never lectured). You can check a proportion of their marks as senior member of staff.

That reminds me, I have "urgent" moderation for our overseas campus. But there's a boring meeting tomorrow ..

MrsHamlet · 23/01/2024 20:19

@Deedooli I know. I was referring to the working time directive.
The OPs school clearly doesn't follow the Burgundy Book and gives no shits about the staff.
They should have a directed time budget but it sounds like they don't.

Deedooli · 23/01/2024 20:39

@MalcolmsMiddle it really is amazing and I’m quite proud of it. I have also
worked in a MAT which was the opposite: four meetings a week, Saturday lessons, revision in half terms and Easter holidays.

I don’t think I’ll ever leave my school!

Supermummy88 · 23/01/2024 21:54

No the school don’t follow the burgundy book!! I should have asked that question before I started. The Saturday school is actually starting from this Saturday. I have been told that I need to attend the first session at least and then set work for every Saturday! I can’t attend this weekend as I have plans with my children that I won’t be giving up. I am already doing two year 11 interventions a week! I They make their own rules and work staff until they can no longer cope. I’m shocked that this is even allowed! I will be choosing my next school very very carefully!

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MrsHamlet · 23/01/2024 21:57

You need to speak to your union asap. This is ridiculous. And you need to resign.

Winter2020 · 23/01/2024 22:23

Hi OP,
Your workload sounds horrendous - although my husband is a teacher so I am not too surprised.

If you do quit I would urge you to write a letter to the Governors outlining your unmanageable workload - including the number of papers/estimated marking hours for the papers in December and Jan, the lack of PPA, lack of planning and the meeting/events.

Emphasise the obvious link between unmanageable workload and the school hemorrhaging teachers.

Perhaps your union could advise if there is anyone that you could complain to in a similar manner to the above without having to leave. E.g. a similar letter to the local authority - whoever oversees or OFSTED?

The Saturday thing I can't believe that is even legal. I would have thought it should be offered out to anyone that wants extra hours for extra pay or time off in lieu - I would be very surprised if it is legal to ask you to work a Saturday on a compulsory basis - or even to plan for the Saturday school.

Gingerbee · 23/01/2024 22:42

Deedooli · 23/01/2024 20:39

@MalcolmsMiddle it really is amazing and I’m quite proud of it. I have also
worked in a MAT which was the opposite: four meetings a week, Saturday lessons, revision in half terms and Easter holidays.

I don’t think I’ll ever leave my school!

Let us know if you have any vacancies 😊

ftp · 24/01/2024 00:01

Hayliebells · 23/01/2024 17:32

Principal is an Americanism. They've only been a thing since MATs came on the seen (lord knows why). We've always had Heads (or Headmaster/Headmistress), and Deputy Heads in the UK.

No idea what a MAT is, but colleges had principals and vice principals in the dark ages when I was at school

Itsdifferentnow · 24/01/2024 11:43

Deedooli

Thank God there is one school at least that treats its Staff as Human Beings!

Itsdifferentnow · 24/01/2024 12:02

larkstar · 23/01/2024 14:56

My experience with my teaching union was dire - no use at all... sympathised but no practical use whatsoever.

You are in the wrong Union.

You need a Union that respects Teachers, knows what is right in regard of work load and protects its Members from abuse and exploitation.

OP you are being abused and exploited. I'm not surprised to hear your Predecessor left and sabotaged the records. Many years ago I experienced something similar but in a different situation. Sadly it's the children who suffer. But in your situation, I do not blame her, the blame lies totally at the feet of the Deputy Principal. He is not just a disastrous manager, he is a despot. Do not go on Saturday anyway, it's too short notice.

Itsdifferentnow · 24/01/2024 12:14

WaitingForSunnyDays

I know averaging over 17 weeks usually means you've got a long "holiday" in there so it might not average to over 48 hours in the end.

Teachers' salaries take into account the longer holidays and they are only paid for holidays the same length as someone working in another job. They are not paid for the extra weeks. However they get their pay every month averaged out and divided by 12 so they can budget easily.
It should mean that for the unpaid weeks they are free to earn elsewhere and it is definitely not time their school management can command them to turn up and work in.
Private schools have Saturday School. They cover this by having shorter terms so do the same number of school days each year. I have worked in both systems.

larkstar · 24/01/2024 12:33

@Itsdifferentnow was in the wrong union - maybe or maybe it was a local failing - this was NASUWT circa 2008.

I handed my notice in and the head teacher didn't get to my letter of resignation in his overflowing in tray until 6 weeks later!

The school pushed him overboard soon after I left, they became an academy and are still ranked near the bottom of local league tables - 12th out of 14 locally and ~2900 out of 3,181 nationally.

Supermummy88 · 24/01/2024 12:47

There is no union rep at this school. They don’t like the mention of unions at all over here. Very difficult when there isn’t a union rep as you don’t have anyone to turn to!

OP posts:
Itsdifferentnow · 24/01/2024 12:54

Supermummy88 · 23/01/2024 11:46

Yes I am still on probation. I know I have to put myself first in this situation and not feel so guilty about leaving my gcse classes behind. I’ve asked about being off
table to mark and vice principle doesn’t think it’s good for students to have cover, so he won’t accept it! There are also no lessons or schemes of work on the system as the other teacher left on bad terms and deleted everything from the Google drive. I am planning everything from year 7-11. Im teaching a new exam board here (edexcel b) I have only ever taught AQA. So I’m making a lot of new content. They also won’t allow teachers to buy anything from TES as they can’t authorise those payments so I’m also buying a lot from my own money.

I’m now seriously considering going back to supply work whilst my kids are still so young. Not quite sure what to do.

.... And so it goes on! Make a copy, make a hundred copies! .. of all these things you have told us. Tell everybody and anybody even remotely connected with your school, with education, with your job.

I am just horrified. The poor children at this school have just one Geography Teacher who is qualified to teach them and the Deputy Principal is making her job completely impossible, making her ill in fact. Just as he is the rest of the Staff - witness the History Teacher with the 350 papers to mark who is 'going out of her mind'. Plus you lose your PPAs*. Is the DP a qualified Teacher by any chance?

Do the Parents realise that their children are taught by people who simply are forced to not be able to do their job? Do they know their younger children are taught Geography by unqualified Staff?

I wonder how many other schools/academies are like this? Something makes me fear it is not a one-off case.

*PPA from Gov.UK 9 May 2018 · All teachers should have a guaranteed minimum of 10% timetabled planning, preparation and assessment (PPA) time.

Itsdifferentnow · 24/01/2024 13:05

From the NASWUT website:
'The NASUWT continues to call for all teachers and school leaders to be given a contractual and statutory right to continuing professional development (CPD).'

Itsdifferentnow · 24/01/2024 13:07

Sorry NOT NASWUT!! NASUWT!!

Mari80 · 24/01/2024 13:45

Itsdifferentnow · 24/01/2024 12:54

.... And so it goes on! Make a copy, make a hundred copies! .. of all these things you have told us. Tell everybody and anybody even remotely connected with your school, with education, with your job.

I am just horrified. The poor children at this school have just one Geography Teacher who is qualified to teach them and the Deputy Principal is making her job completely impossible, making her ill in fact. Just as he is the rest of the Staff - witness the History Teacher with the 350 papers to mark who is 'going out of her mind'. Plus you lose your PPAs*. Is the DP a qualified Teacher by any chance?

Do the Parents realise that their children are taught by people who simply are forced to not be able to do their job? Do they know their younger children are taught Geography by unqualified Staff?

I wonder how many other schools/academies are like this? Something makes me fear it is not a one-off case.

*PPA from Gov.UK 9 May 2018 · All teachers should have a guaranteed minimum of 10% timetabled planning, preparation and assessment (PPA) time.

Tbh, nothing the OP has said has surprised me because of my own experiences. I used to staunchly support state education and not really agree with paying for an education but based on what I know about the sector, my DC may go to a private school. They're still young but I can’t see things improving in a couple of years. But I agree it’s awful for all those kids whose families aren’t able to make that decision. It’s a scandal in fact!

MrsHamlet · 24/01/2024 17:23

Supermummy88 · 24/01/2024 12:47

There is no union rep at this school. They don’t like the mention of unions at all over here. Very difficult when there isn’t a union rep as you don’t have anyone to turn to!

There will be a local or regional rep

Itsdifferentnow · 24/01/2024 19:13

Mari80 I completely sympathise.

I don't know what made me do it but after a tiring afternoon, I looked up Teachers' conditions of work. Under https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/ I found:

  1. Overarching rights

52.1. No teacher may be required to work on any Saturday, Sunday or public holiday unless their contract of employment expressly provides for this (for example in the case of teachers at residential establishments)

and just to clarify:

Guaranteed planning and preparation time

52.5. All teachers who participate in the teaching of pupils are entitled to reasonable periods of Planning, Preparation and Assessment (PPA) time as part of the 1265 hours, referred to in paragraph 51.5 or pro rata equivalent (as the case may be) to enable the discharge of the professional responsibilities of teaching and assessment.* *

PPA time must be provided in units of not less than half an hour during the school’s timetabled teaching week and must amount to not less than 10% of the teacher’s timetabled teaching time.

(Me; currently Unions are saying it needs to be 20%. I certainly spent at least as much time planning, preparing, marking, and writing up records and reports as I did on Pupil contact time - i.e. teaching. If you add up all the non-contact school related work it vastly out-times the actual teaching and is why I left (such as Parents' evenings, CPD, meetings, and endless other things like coming in to clear the pond, going on a swimming pool maintenance course in my own time, the School Fete, all the Christmas things in the evenings, music meetings on Saturdays, painting the school on Saturday, shopping for essentials for my teaching...)

'A teacher must not be required to carry out any other duties during the teacher’s PPA time'

my bold on last bit

larkstar My sympathies too. Glad you got out. I started writing how standards have dropped in the years since I was at school. I wiped it off thinking it seemed too much of a rant. But it's true. I am old, have taught Reception through to University. Each 5 yrs I reckon the standard drops. What infants learned in 'sums' and punctuation, now Uni students can't do. I know, I had to teach them.

The problem is at the top. Not the teachers, not the Head or £100,000 a year Principal. It's government policy and Teachers' pay and the standard required of Teachers at entry. Pay enough, get the best graduates, do random Inspection visits (I worked with the Inspectors), support, weed out, improve and make the children proud of their school. Support good Teachers and give them access to ask for help. Also where pupils prevent other pupils from learning, they must be put in another, appropriate environment, after assessing their problems and needs. I have seen whole classes' standards drop because one special needs student was proudly maintained in the class by the school where the Head felt it was good to let this child 'be himself among the other children'. The children were with him from Reception until they left Primary school. They could not put capital letters after a full stop.

dapsnotplimsolls · 24/01/2024 19:40

It's clearly not going to get any better so do what you need to do to get through these mocks (tonnes of advice already given) and start looking asap.

Mari80 · 24/01/2024 20:49

Itsdifferentnow · 24/01/2024 19:13

Mari80 I completely sympathise.

I don't know what made me do it but after a tiring afternoon, I looked up Teachers' conditions of work. Under https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/ I found:

  1. Overarching rights

52.1. No teacher may be required to work on any Saturday, Sunday or public holiday unless their contract of employment expressly provides for this (for example in the case of teachers at residential establishments)

and just to clarify:

Guaranteed planning and preparation time

52.5. All teachers who participate in the teaching of pupils are entitled to reasonable periods of Planning, Preparation and Assessment (PPA) time as part of the 1265 hours, referred to in paragraph 51.5 or pro rata equivalent (as the case may be) to enable the discharge of the professional responsibilities of teaching and assessment.* *

PPA time must be provided in units of not less than half an hour during the school’s timetabled teaching week and must amount to not less than 10% of the teacher’s timetabled teaching time.

(Me; currently Unions are saying it needs to be 20%. I certainly spent at least as much time planning, preparing, marking, and writing up records and reports as I did on Pupil contact time - i.e. teaching. If you add up all the non-contact school related work it vastly out-times the actual teaching and is why I left (such as Parents' evenings, CPD, meetings, and endless other things like coming in to clear the pond, going on a swimming pool maintenance course in my own time, the School Fete, all the Christmas things in the evenings, music meetings on Saturdays, painting the school on Saturday, shopping for essentials for my teaching...)

'A teacher must not be required to carry out any other duties during the teacher’s PPA time'

my bold on last bit

larkstar My sympathies too. Glad you got out. I started writing how standards have dropped in the years since I was at school. I wiped it off thinking it seemed too much of a rant. But it's true. I am old, have taught Reception through to University. Each 5 yrs I reckon the standard drops. What infants learned in 'sums' and punctuation, now Uni students can't do. I know, I had to teach them.

The problem is at the top. Not the teachers, not the Head or £100,000 a year Principal. It's government policy and Teachers' pay and the standard required of Teachers at entry. Pay enough, get the best graduates, do random Inspection visits (I worked with the Inspectors), support, weed out, improve and make the children proud of their school. Support good Teachers and give them access to ask for help. Also where pupils prevent other pupils from learning, they must be put in another, appropriate environment, after assessing their problems and needs. I have seen whole classes' standards drop because one special needs student was proudly maintained in the class by the school where the Head felt it was good to let this child 'be himself among the other children'. The children were with him from Reception until they left Primary school. They could not put capital letters after a full stop.

A teacher friend fed up of planning, resource making, marking, data inputting, emailing, dept task completing, etc into the early hours (who was told by the Deputy he was doing it wrong and should use his PPAs for all this - when not put on cover of course) did a little experiment and calculated how long should be spent planning a lesson if only PPA time was used. It was something like three mins. He rightly said imagine if we taught the lessons we’d spent three mins planning and how terrible they’d be. (I think he only considered planning too btw - not the other stuff! Frightful!)

OP should do the calculations for how little time she’ll have left to plan decent lessons and ask her SMT team how weighing the pig with all the marking is going to fatten it, to quote Dylan Wiliam.

Supermummy88 · 25/01/2024 09:17

So it’s confirmed that the year 11s have mocks, paper 1, 2 and half of paper 3 starting from the 5th February. We have 2 weeks to mark them all. That’s 180 papers in 2 weeks!!! No time off timetable. We are expected to mark them and data put into spreadsheets within 2 weeks! Thinking about when I should give in my notice! I have decided that I will not be marking them and they can decide what they want to do! It took them 8 months to find a geography teacher…until they found me those classes had very poor teaching by various non specialist teachers!

OP posts:
StoatofDisarray · 25/01/2024 11:07

Don't your administrators allow x time for marking y papers according to filths complexity of the paper and then divide up the marking between all the teachers so that each marks for an equal number of hours?

Hercisback · 25/01/2024 11:10

Hand your notice in now and get out at Easter.

Well done for standing up for yourself and not marking them.