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To hope that these criminals would be caught

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HFJ · 20/01/2024 18:11

My travel involved going through King’s Cross today and having my rucksack nicked. It contained my work laptop, clothes, toiletries. The manner of the theft was interesting and I know that there is probably no hope of the crims being caught, but I wanted to share so that others are aware.

I sat in the seating area between Harry Potter world and the entrance to the waitrose (or is it M&S?). My handbag on my lap and my rucksack next to me on the chair as close to my body as possible. I’m Sending some messages on phone, intermittently double checking rucksack still there and maintaining a peripheral sense of movement because I am vigilant (have lived in London for a few years) or so I thought.

Chinese/asian young lady comes to stand to the right of me (near to my rucksack) and shouts something unintelligable. I stare at her, thoughts of ‘how rude of you to move away from your friends just to stand near me and call to them’. I stare some more. She doesn’t meet my gaze. I turn to who she is supposedly calling to to the left of me. About 4 chinese/asian young people with their backs to us who suddenly were moving away from the queues nearer to me and taking photos of what seems to be nothing. I turn back and RUCKSACK IS GONE. I turn back and the ‘photographers’ have gone. I turn back again and looked at the empty space where the rucksack was and felt a wave of nausea. No, my eyes weren’t tricking me and how was it taken without tipping over the bottle of diet coke perched so close to it?

Anyway, classic distraction technique. Kicking myself for falling for it. I asked surrounding people if they saw anything - nada. I went to the helpdesk only to find out the area I sat in is, according to station worker, the worst part of King’s Cross for thefts. No one would suspect a thing because surrounding people would do the same as me by looking towards the commotion of noisy and baffling flash photography. Station workers and patrolling police wouldn’t bat an eyelid because they would be used to the intermittent flashes of photography among the throngs of tourists.

Is there CCTV? Probably not. I’m glad my handbag was on my lap. I called work and instantly reported the laptop stolen.

So, if you’re ever at King’s Cross, avoid that area of seating and if you’ve got more than two items of luggage, link an arm through the strap of the piece of luggage next to you. If there is any noise or commotion near you, place your hand on your luggage before answering your internal question as to what the commotion is about!

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Sparklesocks · 20/01/2024 18:19

That’s awful, sorry OP. Thanks for sharing a warning.

unfortunately it’s common for gangs to operate like this, they’ve got it down to a fine art. They rely on how busy/noisy places like Kings X are alongside the distraction technique.

DojaPhat · 20/01/2024 18:24

This is just awful, and that sinking feeling when you realise something is gone. Don't beat yourself up, there are so many tactics people who do this use. Pack train carriages are absolutely terrible for this sort of thing. And this is another crime the police tend not to give two hoots about.

youarethroughtothenextround · 20/01/2024 18:50

Interesting that you had to mention their ethnicity.

Would you have said that "some English girl came and stood next to you"?

Sd1960 · 20/01/2024 18:53

Their ethnicity is a pretty important part of helping police identify the suspects, don’t you think?

youarethroughtothenextround · 20/01/2024 18:54

Sd1960 · 20/01/2024 18:53

Their ethnicity is a pretty important part of helping police identify the suspects, don’t you think?

Not to us?

graciemcadams · 20/01/2024 18:54

I'm so sorry 😣

DojaPhat · 20/01/2024 18:55

Sd1960 · 20/01/2024 18:53

Their ethnicity is a pretty important part of helping police identify the suspects, don’t you think?

True which is a good thing she's mentioned it on this forum which is an important piece of the police's suspect identification process.

HFJ · 20/01/2024 18:56

Appreciate your concern here but I had just filled out the police report and was on autopilot. No offence meant.

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LoudSnoringDog · 20/01/2024 18:58

youarethroughtothenextround · 20/01/2024 18:50

Interesting that you had to mention their ethnicity.

Would you have said that "some English girl came and stood next to you"?

By commenting on the ethnicity it might help me be a bit more alert to a randomly shouting Chinese lady and her Chinese photo taking friends if I’m ever at KC?

HFJ · 20/01/2024 18:59

youarethroughtothenextround · 20/01/2024 18:54

Not to us?

Yup just to reiterate what I said earlier. I had just filled out the police report and was on autopilot. It’s actually quite a shocking thing to happen and I wasn’t thinking about what kind of offence might be taken.

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baileybrosbuildingandloan · 20/01/2024 19:01

So sorry you have had this happen. it feels so invasive, doesn't it?

A good tip for the future us to put your leg through the strap of the bag if you have to put any kind of bag down.

CatamaranViper · 20/01/2024 19:01

Yeah linking your arm through the strap/handle of bags is absolutely key. I've got a few bags with zips that click together and have a tiny bell on the keyring so it makes a noise if someone touches the zips.

Sorry OP. I imagine it won't but i do hope it's found.

Unsure why you mentioned the people's ethnicity as well tbh.

VisionsOfSplendour · 20/01/2024 19:01

youarethroughtothenextround · 20/01/2024 18:50

Interesting that you had to mention their ethnicity.

Would you have said that "some English girl came and stood next to you"?

As this is a public service warning as much info on the criminals as possible is surely helpful to anyone else who might be in the same situation

TheFormidableMrsC · 20/01/2024 19:05

I know where you mean. As a commuter for many years, I've seen some things and you do become hyper vigilant. However, that spot had a lot going on, loads of tourists and you did what you could. I'm so sorry this happened to you. Do pursue it, report to BTP and ask about CCTV. Because they will be back.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 20/01/2024 19:05

These people are so proficient at their ‘jobs’ they’d probably be able to cut through the strap and still steal it without you noticing. The only other thing you could have done was wear your ruck sack on your front with the straps secured around the back and kept it there as you sat.

I absolutely hate London as I’ve been robbed and pick pocketed so many times.

Kazzyhoward · 20/01/2024 19:06

Same happened to me in Rome. Distraction by a group of people. One guy pretending to have a blazing row with a woman, getting physical - everyone watching him. Group of children walking towards us, stopped next to us pretending to watch the commotion, and next thing they're running away with my handbag which they snatched out of my hand. Then of course, the guy and the woman run off the other way.

These gangs practice it.

Best thing is to try and ignore everything and everyone around you and not get suckered into it. Ignore anyone who pretends to be in trouble etc. Yes, it's heartless, but there is a lot of it about.

HFJ · 20/01/2024 19:07

LoudSnoringDog · 20/01/2024 18:58

By commenting on the ethnicity it might help me be a bit more alert to a randomly shouting Chinese lady and her Chinese photo taking friends if I’m ever at KC?

Actually no. As I said at the bottom of the post I was advising people to link an arm through a strap and to think twice before switching attention to a commotion that suddenly starts up next to you.

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HFJ · 20/01/2024 19:11

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 20/01/2024 19:05

These people are so proficient at their ‘jobs’ they’d probably be able to cut through the strap and still steal it without you noticing. The only other thing you could have done was wear your ruck sack on your front with the straps secured around the back and kept it there as you sat.

I absolutely hate London as I’ve been robbed and pick pocketed so many times.

Totally agree. For the same reason, I had my handbag on my lap with my arm through a strap but couldn’t have my rucksack on my lap as well. Gutted!

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Pepperpot3862 · 20/01/2024 19:38

There's gonna be footage. Try the shops. If u have crime ref no. Go to the shop/station security yourself. Footage kept for 30 days then deleted unless police ask for it. Police usually try close the case within a few days

TheLogicalSong · 20/01/2024 20:08

I've often sat there at KX so thank you for the warning, I won't be sitting there again.

Goldenpashmina · 20/01/2024 20:11

If on the concourse there is cctv. Ensure you've reported to BTP, they will likely be known

Bananalanacake · 20/01/2024 20:34

At kings cross there's a family waiting room where I've been with my 2 DC, I had a few items of luggage. Do they also target people in there or is it more difficult if they don't have DC with them to go in the room.

Itrymybestyesido · 20/01/2024 20:45

youarethroughtothenextround · 20/01/2024 18:50

Interesting that you had to mention their ethnicity.

Would you have said that "some English girl came and stood next to you"?

Well yes you would. It's a way to identify the suspect and is information that could help prevent a future victim. I get really annoyed when people focus on a victim pointing out identifying attributes! It's just fact.

TheLogicalSong · 20/01/2024 20:47

It's no different from police saying "An IC1 male" etc. to describe a suspect.

IDontHateRainbows · 14/08/2024 17:35

I don't think it's racist to mention the ethnicity. Perhaps there are Chinese gangs operating out of KC ?
Doesn't mean OP thinks everyone Chinese is a mugger