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Upset about absence letter from primary sch

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cultkid · 17/01/2024 12:46

Hi can anyone please tell me what the trigger point is to get an absence and close monitoring letter from school? Is it the norm to not have a chat or a phone call first?

I'm trying not to get very upset but I am blown away

There's a 0.8% difference in sickness v "unauthorised" both not recorded accurately
And a 2.03% on the other child

Is it the norm to send out these letters without talking? Thanks

OP posts:
Youcancallmeirrelevant · 17/01/2024 19:08

AlphaBravoGamma · 17/01/2024 19:06

But I'm only referring to the 4 year old.

Once you choose to send your child to school then it doesn't matter if they are 4 or 5

Namenamchange · 17/01/2024 19:10

What’s your child’s attendance percentage?

Namenamchange · 17/01/2024 19:11

Youcancallmeirrelevant · 17/01/2024 19:08

Once you choose to send your child to school then it doesn't matter if they are 4 or 5

That’s not true, it’s the term after the children 5th birthday, before that the school can only advise.

spanieleyes · 17/01/2024 19:16

I sent out over 80 similar letters last week, If I had to chat with everyone who received one, I wouldn't have time to teach!
They are standard letters, we have to send them, especially if the absences are unauthorised, which holidays usually are. They are reminders that attendance is important ( certainly to the government and OFSTED) so schools have to certainly monitor and try to improve levels- although quite frankly I've never known a single parent think " Oh goodness, I've received an attendance letter, I better make sure my little one doesn't catch a cold again this term".

Welcome2thecircus · 17/01/2024 19:18

They send out absence letters as standard if your childs attendance is under 95%, which is then monitored as an average over the year. Then have to report low attendance as a policy.

Nothing personal and in our letter it references any recent illnesses at the school, such as strep A.

I've not had any unauthorised absences but I've seen the letters a fair few times, as my son caught one bug after another😂

Honestly, I wouldn't worry. Just doing their job.

Keepingthingsinteresting · 17/01/2024 19:21

You’re taking this far too personally and being melodramatic. The school is obliged to send the letter, and you may have seen the news recently about trying to improve school attendance, so it is intended to be a bit scary and so taken seriously.

If I read the later messages correctly you took the kids out for 4/5 days yourself, so that entirely on you

Blueblell · 17/01/2024 19:25

The head cannot authorise holidays unless there is some compassionate element involved such as visiting a dying relative overseas. She probably doesn’t know your child’s attendance record intimately or have personally sent you the letter. They are a standard letter. If your child is under 5 then I don’t think you have anything to worry about with regards to a fine.

HeadCreature · 17/01/2024 19:42

My admin sends these out on my behalf if a pupil's attendance hits the threshold.
The LA provides the letter templates - we have three different letters depending that are triggered at different points.

The only time I would speak to a family is if the absences were due to an ongoing illness.

I don't have time to give the heads up to those who took holiday in term time.

Bagpuss2022 · 17/01/2024 19:44

They are auto generated. Schools are funny things my DD was taken by school abroad on a trip missing school days and that was fine they were late back at 11.45pm so I kept her off the next day as she was shattered and I got a letter too.

Strictly1 · 17/01/2024 19:46

poshme · 17/01/2024 18:29

My sister in law got sent one of these letters saying her child had missed too much school.

Her child was in hospital getting terminal cancer treatment. The letter arrived 3 weeks before she died. The school knew why the child was not at school - and still sent it.

That is shameful.
Im a HT and the focus on attendance is getting silly. The amount of paperwork and monitoring and meetings on it is ridiculous. Yes - we need children in school and to challenge those who often simply can’t be bothered to bring them in but it’s still too much. I have a large file of paperwork which has to be shared every term with the local authority. I can’t use my common sense because according to Ofsted, if it’s not written down, it didn’t happen.
If you take them out on a holiday, your choice, but you need accept that a consequence is you’ll get a letter. Not the end of the world. I sent 80 out last term and some parents had a pop at me - as if it gives me personal pleasure to send them. Yep - I had nothing else to do!

Violahastings · 17/01/2024 19:46

My friend received a horribly worded letter about her sons absence despite the fact he has a chromosome disorder and is often I’ll/needing procedures/numerous hospital visits.

SecondUsername4me · 17/01/2024 19:47

OP what was "disgusting" about the letter? Were all 5 days together in one period of illness?

Testina · 17/01/2024 19:50

SecondUsername4me · 17/01/2024 19:47

OP what was "disgusting" about the letter? Were all 5 days together in one period of illness?

No, they were all 5 together in one period of holiday 🤣

Maicon · 17/01/2024 19:51

It's going to be a long slog with school OP if you get this het up about a big standard letter they have to send and goes automatically. The deputy head doesn't have time to give it to you gently because it's really nothing to worry about at this point.

Testina · 17/01/2024 19:54

Scary?
Really?

It’s a standard letter, generated by a given absence level. End of.

I wouldn’t even argue for writing in an extra algorithm or manual step to exclude those in YR who are still 4… that’s work for the sake of it when the point is still the same.
Afterall, your child is still entitled to education aged 4.
Imagine if a summer born child’s parent was told, “oh I didn’t hear yours read this week, and I can’t be arsed to give you a parents evening slot - they don’t legally have to be here until they’re 5”? 🤣

PingPongPiddlyPong · 17/01/2024 19:56

Who knew that 4 pairs of gloves = allowing your child one day of holiday off school 😂

RawBloomers · 17/01/2024 20:15

cultkid · 17/01/2024 15:10

If they won't do anything why send the letter

Gloves are relevant in the way that I'm saying I'm there all the time and they know me so why not have a chat first like PP have said they experienced

I'm not a dragon who will breathe fire on them if they tell me!

You aren’t the focus of the school though. So while you being there all the time may mean they have an opportunity to talk to you, the people who see you around may have no idea that you are about to receive that letter. They won’t be sitting down looking at a file labeled “cultkid” with the details of all the ways you’re connected to the school, when you’re there and what you do, and linking that to all the details of your DC.

I do think a lot of the letters they send out are detrimental to parent/school relationships and are mainly administrative burden. But I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect the teachers at the school to be so focused on you. Especially when you’ve deliberately taken the kids out of school against the (IMO unreasonable) rules.

socialdilemmawhattodo · 17/01/2024 20:49

I haven't read all the replies - sorry.

But incorrect - politely email with correct info and ask for confirmation. I am a school data manager and was utterly puzzled by my dc attendance record. So I asked for the dates. The sessions missed were school events eg sports day, prize giving etc where attendance had not been recorded correctly. All student attendance must have been wrong. The school did not appreciate me stating that. They ignored me to start with so I posted on their social media.

Children of non-compulsory age. Ie start of term following 5th birthday. X code the school should be using x code when that child is not in school. Govt attendance guidance is clear, easy to read and available for all to read, so you can have a read too!

LlynTegid · 17/01/2024 20:56

Assuming you have one who is not corrupt, standing down at the next election, and actually cares about education, your argument should be about the requirement that is set by government, so contact your MP.

QuillBill · 17/01/2024 21:51

I can't understand why you think they should have talked to you about the letter. The letter is the communication.

Would you have been pleased if the deputy head had stated talking to you in public about your child's attendance? What if someone had overheard you? What if you got upset and you were at school instead of in the safety of your home?

Schools can't treat children or their parents in different ways because some parents are 'always there'. They definitely can't give a parent preferential treatment because they give donations to the school!

Deputy heads can't spend their time warning people that they are going to get a letter.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 17/01/2024 22:30

cultkid · 17/01/2024 15:10

If they won't do anything why send the letter

Gloves are relevant in the way that I'm saying I'm there all the time and they know me so why not have a chat first like PP have said they experienced

I'm not a dragon who will breathe fire on them if they tell me!

Because they have to treat everyone the same. You can't end up with a situation where people suck up to school staff and have chats all the time just so they won't be handed a letter that the system just generates automatically.

I work in a primary school office and am involved with monitoring attendance. I roll my eyes at some of the things I'm expected to do by Ofsted and the DfE. It's all for the sake of record-keeping, to show that Ofsted that the school tracks and monitors attendance levels of every pupil, and works with families to support them with low attendance.

What is far too simplistic in my view are the suggested targets for attendance. It's supposed to be done by percentages. But the percentages don't change over the year. This is problematic because if, in the first week of September the child goes home sick at Wednesday lunchtime and is off the rest of the week, by Friday they're already on 50% attendance. Persistent absenteeism is anything below 90% but obviously in this case, the percentage figure means very little looked at on its own. If a child later on in the year was at 50% attendance it would be extremely concerning and would have involved the EWO, parents invited into school for support meetings, possible fines if it was holiday etc etc well before it got to that level.

I can tell you that the letters are generated automatically. While staff will do their absolute best to make sure that no letters are actually given to parents of children who have had long periods of illness in hospital etc, they will still be printed because any absence is still an absence according to the computer system and occasionally admin errors happen where the letter is given in an envelope to the parent by accident.

If it's normal run of the mill illnesses, then some children are just prone to being ill a lot, especially at the younger primary end. Schools do understand this, but have to give you the letter regardless so that you are kept informed of the percentage levels. I guess the government hopes that it may help deter parents from taking their children on holiday to Floriday for 2 weeks in term time etc.

In my school we do hold regular meetings to discuss the children with lower attendance, so that we can get a picture of what's going on. Believe me, there is a wide range of reasons a child is off often from the totally understandable to the downright ridiculous, so it does need discussing. From absences due to a long-standing or newly developing health condition, to a parent with mental health difficulties who finds it difficult to organise their life so that daily attendance at school is a priority. To mollycoddling parents who keep their child off at the slightest runny nose or take their child at face value every time they tell them they have tummy ache (and then once they know they're staying home they have a miraculous recovery). To flaky parents who just don't see school attendance as important. "Can't get there because of the snow" even though they live in the next road type of parents. To the ones whose children are off every Friday (and it turns out they have a caravan in Rhyl).

Often those meetings flag up ways in which we can put support in place to help a parent get their child into school more regularly, so it's important we have them. Often the first time a parent realises that their genuinely ill child has had an unusually high level of illness compared to their peers is when they get an attendance letter from school to flag it up, and prompts them to ask for investigations with their GP. Mostly any blood tests etc for children who are ill a lot throw nothing up and they've just been unlucky. Very occasionally medical investigations throw up something very unexpected and serious.

If YOU know you've genuinely aimed at your child attending school every day that it's open and just been unlucky with illness during a particular half term, and not kept your child off at the drop of a hat (including if you have a hangover or the weather is awful and you don't fancy leaving the house), then the chances are the school will know that too and you don't need to worry. Carry on as you are. The percentage attendance will go up as time goes on if your child DOES attend regularly.

My advice if you have a child that often says they don't feel well and you don't know if they're being genuine (and some are very good at tugging on their parents' heartstrings, changing their voice to a baby voice, big sad puppy eyes), send them in anyway, and school will send them home if they prove to be genuinely ill.

HobbiddoH · 17/01/2024 22:32

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HobbiddoH · 18/01/2024 10:20

When I read the OP I felt bad for you feeling anxious about this and thought you just needed a bit of reassurance, but after reading your other posts I think you sound a bit of a *%#^ quite frankly.

User56785 · 18/01/2024 16:14

I've asked her to share what was missed in lessons so we can catch up.

So, you took your child out of school for a holiday but you want the teacher to take some of her time to tell you the planning. Whilst also putting gloves on 25 children! Well, 24.

Littlefish · 22/01/2024 22:11

'I've asked her to share what was missed in lessons so we can catch up.'

Don't do this in future.

Why should the teacher spend extra time just because you made the decision to take your child out of school for a holiday.

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