Labour’s child health action plan. What do you think?

[Naptrappedmummy]

https://labour.org.uk/updates/stories/labours-child-health-action-plan-will-create-the-healthiest-generation-of-children-ever/

It looks good to me (and just to disclose I will, in a ‘there’s nobody better right now’ way, be voting Labour at the next GE) but this is mumsnet so just wondered what you all thought…

Instead of one election we need an online voting system so the government has full say on national security and not a lot else. Controversial policies like lock down, private school fees etc go on a voting system for X days and the public decision is final

Yeah because then our policies will be decided by whoever owns the MSM and whatever they put in their headlines. Brexit all over again and look where that got us.

Instead of one election we need an online voting system so the government has full say on national security and not a lot else. Controversial policies like lock down, private school fees etc go on a voting system for X days and the public decision is final

This is the worst idea I’ve ever heard. Nothing would ever be decided for long or medium time term & it would be completely corruptable.

I don’t want to pay more taxes. Over 6 figures and 70% marginals we pay and it goes to fund over half of the adult population being state dependent. How much do you actually want?

We need a government who is honest. We don’t have enough people contributing financially: we borrow to fund the state. What is coming in already isn’t enough despite taxes at record levels.

Who is paying for all this and how? Ohhhh but Michelle Mone and boats isn’t enough. We penalise the highest tax contributors (on PAYE) to an extortionate amount. Those are the ones now changing their behaviour and that’s a big issue.

It’s not a case of dropping a piano lesson. Someone hitting 100k will lose personal allowance as well as 40-45% tax, national insurance and child care support. Good you say. Yeah - issue is that’s 70% to 100%+ marginals. No one is going to work for 101k to lose 10k+ compared to 99,999k. It’s also a huge reason why we have a shortage of doctors and dentists…

I’m pretty sure this is a topic for a dystopian novel already written

No as it starts with its core mission to get the NHS back on its feet

Its won’t happen we need to let the NHS go

I like the ideas but where is the money abs were is the staff ??? And how will they train all these professionals

Let the NHS go? Are you serious? We can’t afford not to have the NHS - leaving aside issues about actually caring that people can afford to treat illness.

It seems as if this country is in some kind of Stockholm syndrome situation. We’re just perpetually accustomed to things not working, to having abysmal public services, quality of life for most declining that we can’t ever contemplate the country being better under a different government. It’s like we’ve been brainwashed to accept the worst, to know the cost of everything but not the value. Everywhere there’s envy about someone somewhere getting something that another doesn’t get whether it be council houses, benefits, like we’ve lost all compassion and humanity. When did we become a country where we cannot afford anything for anyone ? Ridicule the toothbrushing idea but when you listen to the evidence to support it I cannot see the problem.

Exactly @EffieeBriest
Nit for the first time, I blame Thatcher. She started this ‘household budget’ nonsense. It’s time we grew up a bit and looked at solutions not perpetual defeatism.

We can’t afford to keep the NHS and we haven’t been able to for years but no party is willing to tackle this and relies on the sentiment people feel towards the NHS and we certainly do not want to be taking out huge loans again to make it all ok on the surface

We have to look at other ways of funding a health service that can take on the ever increasing costs of running a modern health care service that provides the care that we should expect not the care that we now so often have (some areas it’s still excellent but many it’s appalling how low expectations have dropped)

So fucking sad to see that toothbruahing is something that needs addressing. The bar is so low.

Of course we can if we choose to. We’re the - what is it now? - 6th or so? richest country in the world. We spend less on health by lots of measures than many other countries. Why don’t you want to afford things that help people enjoy their lives as well as helping the economy?

It is. Depressing to know parents are not doing this basic thing

That was a standard joke which was always done but never publicised by client journalists before.

Quite. Which is why many jobs now come with private health insurance as a perk. No-one wants to admit the obvious.

A bit like how is this even a thing? Largest state dependency ever (partially down to an ageing population). Deteriorating behaviour in schools and children need help from the state to brush their teeth - basic hygiene. I dare say that most of this is actually because we have a bit of a feckless population. Happy to take off the sate and for everyone else to pay. Can’t work over 16 hours as they will lose too much money. Expect people on 100k+ plus to be actively worse off though.

Bad behaviour - teacher’s fault. Bad teeth - the states fault for not doing enough. Not enough UC - middle earners fault for not paying all their wages in tax. Maybe I don’t know -some personal responsibility. Mad.

It’s broken
far to much now is run by private companies
majority of people can not afford to pay more unless their wages increase
we all have to pay a lot more and that is not possible at the moment
we need to look to how other far far better health services are run (France, Germany ) it won’t be the NHS anymore but it can be a service that is fit for our population the NHS isn’t

I think our system has enabled this outcome. It’s depressing

1)The money wasted on the likes of Michelle Mone came out of the NHS budget.

2)When I was a child, not in a particularly poor or inner city area we had a dentist visit, we had school medicals and Nit Nurse. My children had a dentist visit who gave them the disclosing tablets which were great fun and certainly did the job. I think we may have bought some ourselves but I recognise not everyone had that luxury.

3)On Question Time the other night that politician who opposed Teresa May (Andrea Leadsom?) talked about the Tories bringing in something for families which was Sure Start by any other name. Hypocrites.

@EffieeBriest

Have you read the novel.

My problem is I voted in Tony Blair as an excited young voter and unfortunately after a few years I faced significant problems in my life for which I had no help at all and I saw behind the curtain. I don't remember anything working particularly well
I was very greatful for tax credits however which kicked in around the credit crisis. But even then that system was fraught with issues and people being over paid a little but then having to pay back an awful lot in one go.

The other great thing was sure start canters. But I don't remember an amazing country far from it, and it seems it was under labour that housing and pressure on services suddenly became a problem.

@Nancy1906 surely a joke ? The image of them being decent guardians of the country’s finances has been well and truly trashed.
@EasternStandard yes I agree. What’s the answer ? We might despise the parenting skills (or lack of) of this not insignificant minority but the children are the innocent victims, in the end costing tax payers millions in the way of future NHS treatment etc. Surely the state should step in through timely education and intervention. You might think they don’t deserve it, why should ‘hardworking tax payers’ shell out but ultimately it benefits everyone. Really hope Surestart is resurrected if Labour win a GE. I don’t think it’s pie in the sky thinking to hope that the most disadvantaged children and families could be helped.

We’re not the 6th richest country, we’re around the 30th. You’re confusing that with the largest economy, which isn’t the same thing.

@RejuvenatedJJanuary fair enough. How has the current government fared ?
At least New Labour tried to improve things, with some degree of success.
I mean, if we are going off past record the Conservatives don’t deserve to win. 13 years and the country’s in a far worse state. I don’t understand your logic.

Sounds great but where will the people/staff come from and the money to fund it? There isn't the central government money about due to covid as much as anything else.

Idk state dependency is huge. We enable dependency and each time it increases we enable it more.

So many people will rely on the state for things including the very basics we won’t be able to make it stack up funding wise

We already can’t pretty much

I agree. It seems there's a massive amount of 16+ year olds smoking. More than out generation.
We saw our grandparents living with a smokers cough and later die of related illnesses. This generation haven't seen that and COPD in their 50s is too far away for them to care when it's just theoretical to them anyway.

Also to add to last post this is meant to be funded by the most mobile and attractive to other countries group of people who probably leave before 15 years are up because of the tax.

They’ll just make different choices and take the tax they do pay with them.

The fact that Labour can’t see this basic human behaviour is not good