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To question this child's hatred for others

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Helena2000 · 10/01/2024 16:56

My DS has had a very close friendship with another boy since they were 5. They are now 12.
Throughout their friendship, I have always found it really unsettling how much this friend has hated all sorts of other kids. And I do mean full on, vitriolic hatred for other children who in my opinion are just regular, nice kids, who have nothing about them to hate.
Over the years, DS has said to me "Friend was fuming and ranting today about how much he hates x, y, z, and he won't stop going on about it! I don't like it when he gets really angry about others because I actually like those people and his anger makes me feel nervous plus the people he hates have done nothing wrong". DS has raised this with me regularly throughout the past 6 school years. I've often found this child's behaviour incredibly negative and obsessive, and I've witnessed him over the years obsess about other children in an extremely negative way. This child has, over the years, spent A LOT of time venting his hatred of other kids at school at my DS, which has really got DS down a lot and ruined countless breaktimes at school spent with his friend ranting hatefully about others. When DS has told me about the latest child that his friend hates, it turns out that they've made some innocuous remark, or completely inadvertently did something without realising how angry it would make this friend, and BANG cue months of literally obsessive hatred and ranting about that child, with my DS being on the recieving end of constantly listening to it all. I have found this to be really strange and odd behaviour, unsettling even, coming from a primary age child. Because of this, I've asked DS over the years what he gets out of their friendship and have told him that it's ok to hang out with other friends when this close friend is trapped in his negative cycle of hatred towards others.
How can a primary school aged kid hate so many people so much??
Every time my DS tried to play with other friends in the playground at primary, his friend would start shouting at him really angrily telling him to stop playing with them a d would cry to his mother after school that my DS had excluded him by leaving him out, when all my DS was doing was simply playing with other friends, which I was strongly encouraging him to do. But for some reason that I could never work out, my DS always, always gave in to this friend and priorities his demands over other friendships. DS and I had lots of talks about what makes a good friend, unreasonable demands, friendship boundaries, healthy friendships, unhealthy friendships.
TBH I have found their friendship stressful and hard work for years, and my hope was that when they went to year 7 at a new school their friendship would dilute and my DS would get to hang out more with others.
Cue year 7, and now this friend has 100% turned against my DS, apparently my DS said something that made this boy angry and he's hated my DS ever since. But instead of avoiding or ignoring my DS, he's being hateful and vile towards him every single day at school, saying a lot of nasty, spiteful, personal things, mocking him, shouting at him and he's now physically hit him really hard which winded my DS at school.
I am incandescent that my DS has spent 6 years showing nothing but loyalty towards this boy, prioritising him over other friends, and spending years listening to him vent his spleen about other kids, only to now be on the receiving end of it. The behaviour is so bad that I think its bullying.
I should be happy that their friendship is over, but the problem is my DS feels crushed by this, he's been feeling hurt and upset for 2 terms now, keeps on saying he's lost his best friend, and that he doesn't understand what he's done wrong to deserve for his friend to suddenly hate him so much that he's making my DS's life at school a misery.
I've reported all this to the school who have shown no support or understanding whatsoever. I've discussed it with his form tutor, the head of year, the Headteacher and pastoral staff, none of whom have offered any support whatsoever.
I'm at a loss as to how to help my DS in his upset over this.
DS has other friends, some of whom actively seek him out at school and out of school and who really want to spend time with him, but DS is still very upset about his close friend turning on him like this.
Not sure if it's relevant or not, but I'm certain this friend has ASD. He also definitely has OCD, quite severely.
His mother seems completely and utterly clueless about his negative behaviour towards others and perpetually thinks ors everyone else's fault for upsetting her DS.
Does anyone have any advice?
Can OCD or ASD present as intense, hateful anger towards others, even friends?

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HAhome · 10/01/2024 17:10

Oof. Tricky one, OP. I think it is an ASD thing for some individuals to come across as rude, negative or blunt because the social filter isn’t always there and they are simply saying what they are thinking rather than deliberately trying to be vindictive. It does sound a bit strong though in this boy, poor kid. Wonder if he’s copying behaviour from someone at home?

Lilacdressinggown · 10/01/2024 17:13

Very possibly the child is picking this sort of behaviour from home. Parents may well say the same sort of things and act in the same way. You never really know what goes on behind closed doors.

Helena2000 · 10/01/2024 17:13

P.S.
I've looked after DS's friend countless times over the years, as favours to his mother and on social occasions, he's been to my house dozens of times, and I've witnessed him ranting and hating about other kids due to some tiny little thing they've unwittingly done that's angered him, so it's not just what my DS tells me, I've seen it many times fir myself.
Another thing he does is either blatantly tell lies about my DS or wildly exaggerate about my DS which results in problems when his mother contacts me and demands to know why my DS has said or done things that he either hasn't said or done, or did say or do but on a much, much tinier scale that what his friend reported. He also lies and exaggerates about other kids, not just my DS. Yet he himself is literally vile towards others, yet his mother refuses to acknowledge this!

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PTSDBarbiegirl · 10/01/2024 17:21

IMO sounds like a child with trauma who is jealous of the kids he says he 'hates'. It's more likely he is either intimidated because they may take his friend away or worried he'll be asked to do something he feels he can't do. This is a separate thing to the effect this has on your dc. It's really unhealthy for your DC and obv you are worried about him not feeling he can be friends with others. Its not his responsibility to feel he needs to limit his own relationships in case he upsets friend. Could almost be bullying, tbh I see this more commonly in young female friendships at that age. 1 very intense, possessive 'friend' gaslighting a more easy going or popular child is quite common. I'd discourage the connection, get your dc going to clubs etc this friend doesnt go to.

Baldieheid · 10/01/2024 17:30

This is not a healthy friendship. Your poor son.

His "friend" sounds like a deeply disturbed child to me, and I'd certainly be hoping that he received support. But he's not your problem. Your job is to support your own child, and he is being abused mentally, emotionally and now physically by this kid

INSIST the school take it seriously. Take it above the headteachers head if you have to.

ClareWilsonNS · 10/01/2024 18:00

Thing is, it's actually for the best that this boy has rejected your son. There's no point trying to psychoanalyse him, though. Just focus on giving your own son advice on how to handle the bullying and try to facilitate other friendships if necessary, eg arranging gaming sessions, cool activities.

Orio2023 · 10/01/2024 18:21

But for some reason that I could never work out, my DS always, always gave in to this friend and priorities his demands over other friendships

Yes, because he’s been bullied by him for years. You said he would shout angrily at him if he played with other children. You had chats with him about boundaries when what was actually needed was firm intervention.

Ive no idea why you have had this boy at your house and tolerated this behaviour in your own home. You sound scared of his mother and I wonder if this has been a factor in not taking appropriate action.

Peruse the assault at school and report to police if necessary. And block his mother.

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