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Two year olds behaviour, aibu to worry

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Independenttwoyearold · 09/01/2024 19:48

I've name changed for this as asked a few people in RL too. Just looking for some advice.

Dd is 25 months (not saying that to be pedantic, just to be clear she's only just turned two and isn't nearing three yet!). Her behaviour worries me and want to know if this is normal and how we should deal with it.

There are a few issues:

  • she is demanding, asks for something and will shout and cry until I give in and give her it. For example a biscuit right before dinner. If I refuse, which I've tried to do, she will scream and become so upset, refuse to eat dinner and takes forever to calm down. This could happen for a number of things and I know toddlers have tantrums but it feels like a neverending battle to get her on side sometimes.
  • is very independent. Used to love being read to, now demands to hold the book and flicks through the pages quickly before tossing it on the floor. If I try to read it or even hold it she screams and cries and then will start another tantrum. Reading isn't enjoyable anymore.
  • wants to do everything herself, even if she can't. Dressing, shoes on, cutting veg for dinner. Everything! Sometimes I let her help, other times I just can't for various reasons and again, results in a tantrum. Can barely get anything done as it's just not worth the upset sometimes.
  • sleeping is still rough! She falls asleep in her cot , had the same bedtime routine since birth. She always wakes though and asks to come beside us. Cannot get her to settle back in the cot. She is asleep by 7pm but isn't waking until around 8.30am and that seems so late! She's recently stopped daytime napping which is helping her go down at night but is this why she's sleeping so late? Feels like I'm missing half the day by the time we get out. If we let her nap she won't go down for 7pm and therefore is down later and still gets up later in the morning. How do we fix this?
  • she is big on routine, if we go out one day and get a sandwich in one place next time she'll remember this and cry until we repeat the same routine next time. If I give her a snack/biscuit as a treat in the car on a long journey she screams next time because she has wants it again every journey .
  • she demands who does what. Eg I help at dinner time and she'll then say 'dad do it' and will refuse to eat until DP takes over. This happens at bath time, dressing, even just putting on shoes. If dp is changing her she'll scream until I take over. It's like she is just running rings round us sometimes. Is this normal two year old stuff?! If we do persevere, she'll kick and scream until she gets her own way and the other takes over then she'll immediately calm down.

aibu to worry?
In general she seems really switched on, already forming short sentences, able to sing various nursery rhymes and constantly asking 'whats that called', 'whats that noise ' etc. she's sociable and in general quite happy around other children. Just looking for some reassurance as a ftm and more importantly, how do we deal with this behaviour? Can we even reason with a toddler?!

OP posts:
Independenttwoyearold · 09/01/2024 20:39

Thanks so much everyone, this is all really reassuring and I've made note of all the good tips. Read every post out to dp too and he's nodding in agreement!! I think we need to enforce more boundaries and stand firm a bit more with certain things. Thanks for all being so helpful.

OP posts:
Flopsy145 · 09/01/2024 20:40

Sounds pretty normal but I would try and stick it out and not give in, she knows you will do what she says so you have to get her out of that. My daughter is 2.5/3 and is very string willed and knows what she wants, I don't want her to lose this so I often just deflect and distract rather than letting her get to a tantrum and having to argue with her.

Suchardchoccy · 09/01/2024 20:43

@Flopsy145 I agree with distractions, sometimes it helps others not. Our DD is also very strong willed

Superfrog3 · 09/01/2024 20:44

I could have wrote this myself for my 20 month old and she has been like this for a few months now 😩! I'm hoping the end is in sight but I fear she will level up when she finally turns 2. She is the last child so I feel like she is my "boss level" in parenting and here to test our patience 😂

Stay strong OP 💪

OhwhyOY · 09/01/2024 20:50

As others have said, very normal. I would strongly encourage you though to get her napping again during the day. Experts say they should nap until age 3-4 because they physiologically need it. Whilst there are some rare kids that genuinely don't need the nap many start refusing because they want to play, want control etc.

My daughter was exactly like yours but worse age 2 in large part because of insufficient sleep. Once we got her napping properly over lunch time she rarely had tantrums (though was definitely still a bossy madam!). The Huckleberry sleep app helped us to realise how overtired she was and when we started offering earlier naps she would actually sleep! Then still went down at a decent time at bedtime. You need to experiment a bit with length and timing of nap but you may well find she's a different child if you crack sleep.

ChequeredPastel · 09/01/2024 20:51

Completely normal I’m afraid! Only things that helped me was calmly sitting and waiting for the tantrum to end and then opening my arms for a cuddle when it did.

Sellingbedtime · 09/01/2024 20:53

Sounds like you are describing a normal toddler! It's testing at times, I hope this phase doesn't last too long for you. Then it's onto the threenager stage... Which is like negotiating with a mini politician 😩
Try not to give in with the tantrums, she needs to know your boundaries.

mathanxiety · 09/01/2024 21:00

Sounds normal.

There are people who would love a toddler who sleeps 12+ hours. Try to get over your feeli g that the day is half gone by the time you're all ready to get going.

Don't give in to tantrums. You will have a very rough few weeks while you stand firm. Eventually she will realise she's getting nowhere.

If you continue to give in, you'll have tantrums for the foreseeable. Grit your teeth and prepare for battle.

Give her a few choices every day - between reasonable things you can live with either way.
Would you like a snack of frozen peas or chicken peas before dinner?
Would you like milk or water?
The pink leggings or the purple ones?
The blue hat or the red one?

She might like to feel she has a bit of control over her life.

BurbageBrook · 09/01/2024 21:00

Completely normal toddler behaviour. I recommend Philippa Perry's 'The Book You Wish Your Parents Had Read'.

fibeee · 09/01/2024 21:24

Sounds like my daughter at 2! The only advice I can give is to try and stop the tantrums with distraction and redirection before they start.

If it is any comfort once my daughter turned 3 the tantrums greatly reduced and she was much easier to reason with. She still is very strong willed but that will stand her in good stead in life!

BertieBotts · 09/01/2024 22:48

Who are these children who nap until 3 or 4? That seems unusual to me, I never met a child napping at 3, they are at nursery by then so if they have a nap when they get home then they'll be up half the night. Very unusual in the UK IME - most British children tend to drop the nap by about 2.5yo (they do seem to nap much longer in other countries! Perhaps your experts are from there.)

Flopsy145 · 10/01/2024 06:31

@BertieBotts agree, gosh if my daughter napped until then she would be up until midnight. She's now pretty much dropped her naps at 2.5, other than the odd car nap. A lot of children in her room are also non nappers now

GreatGateauxsby · 10/01/2024 06:41

@BertieBotts my dd has napped 12-3/4 from 11m, she's nearly 2 and it's more like 1-3/4pm now. Just what she's into 🤷‍♀️ I love sleeping too so works well for us 😅

@Independenttwoyearold
All very normal stuff Vs my 21m old

she is big on routine, if we go out one day and get a sandwich in one place next time she'll remember this and cry until we repeat the same routine next time. If I give her a snack/biscuit as a treat in the car on a long journey she screams next time because she has wants it again every journey

this is the only one on the list I don't resonate with in full.
My DD does not want to repeat the routine per se but if we are going to the shop and go past a cafe.... she will know she had a tasty bun in there 2 weeks ago and she will do her best to get back in there for a repeat. She dodged my DH last week and ran into Gail's - we followed and she'd already clambered onto a chair and was dictating "snack!" To me while gesticulating at the food counter and "This PWEASE!" To my DH while pointing to the drinks station
Lmfao 😅😅😅
I love toddlers SO much

AhBiscuits · 10/01/2024 07:00

All normal behaviour.
My son didn't drop his naps until he was over 3.

muddlingthrou · 10/01/2024 07:03

Did I write this, and I was just too sleep-deprived to remember?! 🤣 Two-year olds are tiny dictators, aren't they???

BertieBotts · 11/01/2024 08:38

I mean 3-4 years not 3-4pm Grin

stealtheatingtunnocks · 11/01/2024 08:51

What a really lovely, kind thread.

come on, vipers, you have to be mean!

my daughter was like yours, @Independenttwoyearold . She’s now an independent 20 year old and persistent with clear ideas of what she wants in life. It’s not a bad thing to have these traits.

have a look fore the “cutted up pear” thread - it’ll be in classics.
lt mught cheer in moments of extremis

crostini · 11/01/2024 09:46

All normal!

But remember you're in charge. You can't let her run the show. She doesn't know that she needs boundaries but she does!

KnackeredBack · 11/01/2024 10:00

I love 2 year olds for this very reason - totally unreasonable! Entirely normal 2 yr old behavior.

MariaVT65 · 11/01/2024 10:02

My 3 year old is still like this :)

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