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More SEN, better diagnosis, lack of funding or a combination?

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genuinequestion235 · 07/01/2024 13:00

Genuine question:

I read a lot of threads on here relating to poor provisions and support for children with SEN. When I was a child I don't remember many children with SEN (3 spring to mind in my school of 200!)

So do people think more children have SEN needs? Or are we simply better at diagnosing?

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Mybrotherwhohasautism · 30/03/2025 22:47

I think it's multifactorial:

  1. Increase in prevalence related to rising average age of parents at conception, and possibly also increased survival of moderate and extreme prematurity

  2. Possibly a role for unprecedented environmental pollutants eg microplastics on the developing brain in utero/infancy, but far from proven and could be a complete red herring. Certainly if there is any environmental effect the evidence would suggest it is moderated heavily by genetic predisposition

  3. An increase in presenting symptoms/concerns because of the ways in which the educational and social context is more challenging for all children, and perhaps particularly those with SEN

  4. An increase in awareness and diagnosis is probably the largest part of it

  5. Increased visibility due to decreased institutionalisation and increased mainstreaming of all children

  6. Decreased support for / increased pressures on both schools and families

Personally I think we are long overdue massive societal and particularly educational reform to enable those with SEN to become as functional and content adults as possible. We do want an integrated society but I can't help but feel mainstreaming has had the unintended consequence of trying to force neurodiverse children with very spiky profiles to become generalists in school environments which are inherently toxic for them. I think of my brother's life story:

  • Early diagnosis of what was then called "Asperger's" based on delayed speech and typical behaviours of autism
  • Managed state primary and just about managed with lots of SEN support (feel sadly that the support he received is far less available to children with SEN now)
  • Fell to bits in secondary, with severe bullying, suicidal
  • Left secondary to go to local authority funded specialist school for autism (absolutely unheard of / impossible now for a relatively "high functioning" autistic child but absolutely what my brother needed to literally stay alive I think)
  • Much much advocacy to get access to GCSEs, doing just his subject interests. Despite limited number of GSCEs, special dispensation to access A levels and later university (is this possible for autistic young people now??)
  • Entered skilled employment but then left after a few years - employer unable/unwilling to make adaptations for autism.
  • Ongoing /lifelong impact of bullying and negative messages on self esteem. Extreme social anxiety and low ability to function.
  • Remains one of the most extremely intelligent and capable people I know, within his narrow fields of interest/specialism. But will always need support (even if fairly light touch) with getting along in life. Effectively unable to work, within the society we live in.

My brother deserves to be part of society but the effects of mainstreaming nearly destroyed him and will never leave him. And he faces potentially an impoverished future having been able to contribute minimally despite his potential.

I just do think what a waste. In the right kind of education system and broader society, that could support autistic people like my brother to reach their extremely high potential in narrow areas of brilliance, but support / protect them in the many significant areas of difficulty, how much could be gained?

I genuinely believe that the Einsteins of this world are largely autistic. We need amazing, innovative, different minds now more than at any other point in history. (And am aware that's not all autistic people of course but some like my brother do fit this extreme spiky profile, but at the same time are significantly disabled by autism). But how far would Einstein have gotten in mainstream UK education in 2025?

Personally I think mainstreaming is failing many neurodiverse children and we do need specialist schools for an entire spectrum of needs that support them academically but without forcing them into being generalists (current mainstream school model is to make everyone a generalist). But perhaps if mainstream were different - more flexible, less stressful?

Then we need the flexibility in higher education and employment that says no-one cares you don't have a English language GSCE, or if you can't look someone in the eye, or ever attend an interview, or you need to live with your mum, or you actually are only awake on an insane irregular schedule - you can study and work as a super specialist in a narrow area of interest. Funding STEM would probably help (though aware it's not STEM for all with autism it does seem to be a fair generalisation for many!)

Anyway just my ramblings.

Annajones101 · 30/03/2025 22:59

A combination of a little bit of bette diagnosis and ton of label seeking. Labels command an identity, identity commands attention, attention commands victimhood.

ntmdino · 31/03/2025 12:50

Whatever4321 · 30/03/2025 21:43

The better diagnosis argument just doesn't cut it I'm afraid.
When I was at junior school in the late 80s, in a class of 35 children, there were 4 kids who couldn't keep up with the normal curriculum and either had to do something else, or have special help. I can remember their names because they were the only ones who were different. You knew who the kids were that were wired up a bit differently.
Less than twenty years later, when some of my friends became teachers, they were reporting that it was now half the class who couldn't do the work or needed special help and/or had behavioural problems.
Now it's more, and more of them seem to be profoundly autistic. And just generally, in the population, I can think of multiple people I know whose children show distinct signs of ASD. Again, I hardly knew any growing up. This is not better diagnosis. It is a large increase that is noticeable not just to teachers and doctors but easily noticeable to anyone who was alive 35 years ago.
The only thing I can think of that explains it is mobile devices and their effect on delicate developing brains of foetuses and young children. Possibly a combination of device radiation and how it affects the way substances in our environment behave inside our bodies. If your brain had already developed largely before this, your liklihood of problems was quite low. If after, much increased. There is obviously far too much money in mobile technology for this ever to be properly investigated or reported.

Your anecdotal evidence doesn't cut it, I'm afraid.

When you were at junior school in the late 80s, the majority of SEN children were kept out of mainstream education, so you wouldn't have encountered them in the first place.

Raxacoricofallapatorian · 31/03/2025 13:24

Starting to think there's a gap in the market for tinfoil maternity dungarees.

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 01/04/2025 13:14

Sometimesnot · 07/01/2024 13:27

More sen. I work in the field visiting different schools and it’s hard to find a reception class without a preverbal/ minimally verbal autistic kid. In more deprived areas there can be 3 or 4 in a reception class. There’s no way those kids have been missed in the past, we’re not talking the type of sen that could be dismissed as the odd kid colouring in the back. We’re talking minimal communication, significant attention and listening difficulties and often lots of behaviours. Nurseries are a similar story, so many kids with autism at the moment. Way higher than the estimates of 1/60- 1/100.

We’ve then got the extra impact of reduced funding meaning those kids are less supported than they would have been even 3 or 4 years ago. 1:1 TAs are becoming rare. This means the kids are being less supported to make progress and are likely to have higher support needs going forwards. It’s awful for families, children and their parents.

I don't know if it means anything, but there is a correlation between pre-eclampsia and autism - pre-eclampsia rates are apparently increasing, particularly in developed countries and there was a greater increase during Covid.

I've not looked deeply into it, but presumably some is down to women being pregnant at an older age, and there is some mixed evidence of a correlation between working full time while pregnant - I suspect work stress contributed to me developing pre-eclampsia, as my workload increased dramatically in the last three months or so as on top of the usual work I was also putting a lot of work into a complete rebrand and name change of the organisation.

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