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HMV describing Jewish refugee children as Central European Children

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Trulywonderful · 03/01/2024 22:26

Would I be unreasonable to as any of you on twitter or willing to write an email complaint to HMV to do me a favour

HMV have described the Jewish refugee children in the new One Life film as Central European Children. This is erasing there Jewishness from the description. I know some may feel objection to this is petty but at the moment the Jewish community are seeing a far bit of this behaviour. Erasing us from things to make people feel more comfortable etc

Anyway if people want to help and tweet about this or email HMV I would be very grateful

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LolaSmiles · 06/01/2024 20:48

Im sure I read somewhere that the KKK killed white people who were black allies.
I’d never have it any other way that a movie or book about the KKK should headline with ‘black people’ not ‘people from the South’

I thought something similar reading the thread.

You don't get (edit to add - generally) news reports about police brutality to the black community being reported as "the police have been criticised for their use of force towards American citizens". Doing so would erase the racial nature of the violence.

It matters that the persecuted and victimised group is identified. When people want to detract from the reason of the victimisation, be it for race, sexuality, sex, religion and so on, it's usually done to try to avoid drawing attention to the root of the oppression.

KarenNotAKaren · 06/01/2024 20:49

LolaSmiles · 06/01/2024 20:48

Im sure I read somewhere that the KKK killed white people who were black allies.
I’d never have it any other way that a movie or book about the KKK should headline with ‘black people’ not ‘people from the South’

I thought something similar reading the thread.

You don't get (edit to add - generally) news reports about police brutality to the black community being reported as "the police have been criticised for their use of force towards American citizens". Doing so would erase the racial nature of the violence.

It matters that the persecuted and victimised group is identified. When people want to detract from the reason of the victimisation, be it for race, sexuality, sex, religion and so on, it's usually done to try to avoid drawing attention to the root of the oppression.

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Brava @LolaSmiles great post

sashh · 07/01/2024 05:15

noblegiraffe · 06/01/2024 11:30

The film is about the Kindertransport so it seems pretty relevant.

Can't imagine why you wouldn't want to answer my question.

Wow.

No it isn't about the kindertransport. That's sort of the point of Winton's work, the kindertransport only took children from Germany.

istoodonlegoagain · 07/01/2024 07:32

bookworm14 · 06/01/2024 12:00

Why is there this desperate need to deny the incontrovertible fact that the majority of the victims of the Holocaust were Jewish? It’s weird and depressing.

Also, ‘gay people, academics and communists’ aren’t remotely relevant to this thread as we are discussing the Kindertransport.

Jews are synonymous with the Holocaust for the vast majority of people. As posters have said, it is very common to think that only Jewish people were exterminated. Calling the group of children in the film "Jewish children" is still not correct though, linguistically and factually. The OP (and some others) is happy to completely erase the identities of the other children, who were also from persecuted groups. FWIW whilst Central European is a correct descriptor for the group I don't think it is adequate to highlight the fact they were at risk of death.

bookworm14 · 07/01/2024 08:57

sashh · 07/01/2024 05:15

Wow.

No it isn't about the kindertransport. That's sort of the point of Winton's work, the kindertransport only took children from Germany.

The term Kindertransport was also used to refer to Nicholas Winton’s work. https://www.nicholaswinton.com/exhibition/kindertransport

Kindertransport - Sir Nicholas Winton Exhibition

The term Kindertransport became used for the Czech and Slovak rescue of endangered children which was organised in 1939 by Nicholas Winton with the help of others

https://www.nicholaswinton.com/exhibition/kindertransport

bookworm14 · 07/01/2024 08:59

istoodonlegoagain · 07/01/2024 07:32

Jews are synonymous with the Holocaust for the vast majority of people. As posters have said, it is very common to think that only Jewish people were exterminated. Calling the group of children in the film "Jewish children" is still not correct though, linguistically and factually. The OP (and some others) is happy to completely erase the identities of the other children, who were also from persecuted groups. FWIW whilst Central European is a correct descriptor for the group I don't think it is adequate to highlight the fact they were at risk of death.

OK - say ‘mostly Jewish’ then. Don’t remove the word entirely. Or say ‘Jewish children and a small number of the children of political dissidents’, which seems to be the most accurate description.

noblegiraffe · 07/01/2024 09:56

Yes, mostly Jewish is what is seemed to have been used in other references.

The thing with removing the reference to Jews is that it removes what was at stake. Londoners evacuated their children to the English countryside - why? Because of the risk of being bombed. Why were 'Central Europeans' sending their children to England? No idea. They were mostly Jewish? Ok, now I get it.

istoodonlegoagain · 07/01/2024 11:33

bookworm14 · 07/01/2024 08:59

OK - say ‘mostly Jewish’ then. Don’t remove the word entirely. Or say ‘Jewish children and a small number of the children of political dissidents’, which seems to be the most accurate description.

Yes on the first page I suggested "predominantly Jewish" as a factual description.

Binglebong · 08/01/2024 21:15

Sorry - should have refreshed before posting!

But hopefully this means more people will see this important thread.

noblegiraffe · 17/03/2024 23:44

This sort of thing is definitely starting to look deliberate when someone who was on the Kindertransport because they were Jewish dies and the obituary refers to them leaving Germany because "pre-war tensions were rising". The word Jew is not mentioned at all.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-68591175

Henry Wuga

Glasgow Kindertransport refugee dies at 100

Henry Wuga fled his native Germany on the eve of World War Two to start a new life in Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-68591175

deragod · 18/03/2024 02:00

noblegiraffe · 17/03/2024 23:44

This sort of thing is definitely starting to look deliberate when someone who was on the Kindertransport because they were Jewish dies and the obituary refers to them leaving Germany because "pre-war tensions were rising". The word Jew is not mentioned at all.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-68591175

disgusting, among other events, May 39 was after Kristallnacht. Who you must be to call pogrom of this scale "tensions" ?

LiterallyOnFire · 18/03/2024 02:17

YANBU. I haven't been to the cinema too much this winter. Is this film streaming soon? I'll watch before I bug anyone about the erasure.

Incidentally, I always find it weird that Winton's own Jewish heritage is glossed over. Like a a diminution of British Jewish activism/resistance. Maybe this film puts that right.

saturnspinkhoop · 18/03/2024 06:01

I saw that article about Henry Wuga, too. I can’t see how it isn’t deliberate. I found it really offensive.

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