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In laws interfering/babysitting concern

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NMO1 · 02/01/2024 15:25

I apologise in advance as this is going to be long. Background - DP and I have been together just over 5 years. We moved in together 3 years ago, and our DS was born last summer (fourth grandchild on my side of the family, first on his).

My relationship with my partners family has always been amicable, but never super close. There have always been noticeable differences in the way our families work (boundaries/views on the world/parenting styles/reading the room/sense of humour - the list goes on).

Throughout our relationship (in particular since living together), I have struggled with the lack of boundaries with my partners family. They are used to dropping by our house unannounced, something I’ve had to get used to but always found annoying. His family (MIL,FIL,BIL) live 5 mins away so this happens a lot. Whether the baby is napping, we’re sat at the table eating dinner, doing housework, getting ready to leave the house, if they turn up on the doorstep they expect to be accommodated, just walking in without any self awareness to check if it’s a good time, even if it’s clearly not. I have previously asked my partner to communicate this to them to which he said ‘they would probably just say we’ll stop coming over all together then’ if they were asked to check before dropping by. I feel they are manipulative and my DP falls victim to their ways, agreeing to keep the peace.

When I fell pregnant MIL became even more overbearing, buying hoards of baby things (including special items I’d rather have bought myself) all under the guise of being ‘helpful and generous’ so I felt I couldn’t complain. As her behaviour ramped up I started to feel anxious about the whole visiting thing, I really didn’t want unannounced guests when the baby arrived, particularly not in those first few days/weeks after birth. I feel this is an unwritten rule and all of my family and friends understood this without us even having to mention it, and expressed their excitement at meeting the new baby whilst giving us space and waiting for their invitation.

My partner eventually let his family know that once the baby was born I/we would need 24 hours for some rest and getting to grips with having a newborn before we had any visitors. And also that any visits would need to be arranged as we would be working around baby nap/breastfeeding schedules. He was scared to have this conversation with them and he has since admitted he told them they were my wishes, not ours (likely to try and soften the blow). This didn’t go down well at all, we had constant texts whilst in hospital and their manipulation worked and both MIL and FIL visited within the hour when we got home with the baby. The visit was short and awkward and I was in absolute agony after an emergency c-section. Not once did they congratulate me/us, ask how I was doing or offer help, just expected to hold the new baby and take pictures. They left and gave us the silent treatment for 3 days following, ignored invitations to visit and bizarrely took a day trip 120 miles away.

This created a huge cloud of anxiety/worry for us both, on top of the sleep deprivation (and hormones on my part). We spent the first few days of our sons life wondering what the hell we had done to upset my partners family, we second guessed ourselves and thought ‘maybe they’re just giving us the space we asked for?’ Until eventually my partner confronted them and was met with a long list of things we had done wrong, ways we’d upset/hurt them, and how their expectations as grandparents weren’t being met. The list was full of petty things such as how long it took my partner to text them when DS was born and let them know the gender (2 hours after the birth we notified all family) and repetitively saying ‘it just really hurts how we’ve been treated’.

It’s probably the lowest I’ve ever felt in my life and the constant attacks whilst already feeling so vulnerable, hormonal, sleep deprived and physically in pain made me close to giving up. This ridiculousness went back and forth for days until my own (usually shy and retiring) mother had to get involved out of concern for my wellbeing and tell them point blank ‘this is supposed to be a special time, it isn’t about you - back off.’ I seriously mourned the ‘newborn bubble’ people speak of, it was probably the worst time of my life.

Fast forward 4 months and whilst the dust has somewhat settled it’s created a wedge between all families involved and just generally feels awkward. I’ve never had intentions of limiting their access to their grandson, although I know that’s what they think I’m doing by trying to create some healthy boundaries. The time has now come to start relying on babysitters occasionally and I just feel uncomfortable at the idea of his MIL & FIL looking after DS when they have been so disrespectful and dismissive towards me as his mum (and DP, although I feel he is more used to their behaviour).

My mum has babysat a handful of times and always happily accepts direction/our wishes when it comes to looking after DS and treats us as the experts of our baby whilst offering helpful advice if asked.

My partners family on the other hand have shown no interest in learning our ways/routines/respecting us as parents in general. The other day my FIL forced a crabstick into DS’s mouth whilst holding him and laughing (he’s still exclusively breastfed and not yet 5 months old). I asked him not to do that, explaining he could be allergic to shellfish (the only thing I could think of on the spot - a firm ‘no’ doesn’t seem to be enough with them) to which he replied - ‘there’s no real shellfish in these anyway they are just full of crap’ (even more reason not to feed it to a baby?) basically everything becomes a battle or argument of why their way is right and why we are wrong. They don’t care about interrupting DS naps when they come round/if he’s napping at their house. They just say things like ‘you can’t tiptoe around’ which we don’t, but if it’s taken a lot to get him down for his nap why take the risk. They have questioned me about breastfeeding and no doubt think I’m selfish for doing so, and made me feel generally uncomfortable about it on numerous occasions, suggesting we switch to formula to help him sleep through the night and encouraging introducing solids earlier than we want to.

Basically they have picked on us as parents from day 1, they think they know best when really their parenting style is seriously outdated (and sometimes unsafe). Instead of uplifting us and supporting us through this important time they just constantly undermine and disrespect us. All the while we are still being bought hoards of unnecessary gifts, when we have asked MIL not to. They are unable to have reasonable discussions, every small thing turns into raised voices and swearing.

I know the answer - but for my sanity AIBU to say no to them babysitting? I know it will disappoint DP and will probably cause WW3, but I feel I need to go with my gut. If it was up to me I would go full no contact as that’s how uncomfortable they make me feel, their energy is toxic and draining, but I have DP feelings to consider too.

OP posts:
sesquipedalian · 02/01/2024 15:35

Do not let them babysit, unless you’re happy for your baby to be fed chocolate/ woken for a photo opportunity/ changed into a different outfit they’ve bought…Just don’t do it, NMO1. These people clearly do not respect your wishes - actually, I don’t think the toy respect you, otherwise they wouldn’t be so oblivious as to what you want. If your mum is happy to babysit, so be it. If people can’t abide by others’ rules and boundaries, then that’s it - if it were my baby, I certainly wouldn’t be happy to leave my DS in their care. (They would have been gone after the crab stick episode!!)

curtaintwitcher78 · 02/01/2024 15:44

As well as being inconsiderate of your parenting preferences they're also fucking morons. Who gives a baby a crabstick? What else might they do? Your DP needs to find a backbone, or you'll have to set your mother onto them again.

Mabelface · 02/01/2024 15:53

Fuck upsetting your husband. He's not that bothered about his family upsetting you! I'd tell him in no uncertain terms that he's to tell them not to drop in unannounced and actually, you don't want to see them until they can act like reasonable human beings. If it means they don't see the baby, well, that's their choice isn't it?

takealettermsjones · 02/01/2024 15:55

They are bonkers and your mother is a hero! Put your foot down OP. You need to do it for DC's sake and your own.

Nanny0gg · 02/01/2024 15:58

@NMO1 Why do you have to consider your partner's feelings? He's not considering yours.

I'm not a fan of going NC but if you can't have a blazing row and put them in their place (my first choice) I think they're prime candidates for it

Barneysma2 · 02/01/2024 16:02

There are two issues here -
First -your in laws sound horrid, I was angry reading how they have treated you since baby has been born. Everything you have said doesn't sound like you are being too precious or excluding them, just normal things to respect when someone brings a new baby home.
Second- your partner needs to grow some fucking balls and stick up for you and his baby otherwise this behaviour will never stop. You and the baby come first now not his deluded mother!

ExtroIntrovert · 02/01/2024 16:02

Put your foot down and let them know that they need to follow your rules and only then they will be allowed to babysit. If it leads to fighting etc back off and say they will not babysit as they don't respect you as parents.

SecondHandFurniture · 02/01/2024 16:04

Nanny0gg · 02/01/2024 15:58

@NMO1 Why do you have to consider your partner's feelings? He's not considering yours.

I'm not a fan of going NC but if you can't have a blazing row and put them in their place (my first choice) I think they're prime candidates for it

Edited

I agree.
He is supposed to prioritise you and not worry about upsetting mummy and daddy when they are being unreasonable. I know my husband would always side with me (based on my own family dynamics) and more importantly, so do they. This has helped enormously with DS5 and grandparent boundaries.

You know you don't have to have anything to do with them, right? Nor do you have to let them babysit if you know they won't respect your decisions.

Nevermind31 · 02/01/2024 16:09

Is your DH ok with the way his family treat his baby?
i would actually ask him that

ManateeFair · 02/01/2024 16:11

I was fully prepared for this to be one of those posts where someone says 'My MIL touched my baby's face even though we have asked all visitors to maintain a distance of 12ft from the child until she reaches adulthood' or 'My MIL gave my 11-year-old a cup of tea and then looked at me in a funny way when I told her she'd probably given him a caffeine addiction', but no, your PILs do indeed sound awful and YANBU at all.

It sounds like your husband has basically been bullied by them all his life and is slightly scared of them.

blackpanth · 02/01/2024 16:22

YADNBU I would go NC x

Fionaville · 02/01/2024 16:30

This is one of those sad situations where they are/want to be loving grandparents, but they are messing it up.
Some families are close enough that it's weird to check before dropping in. My auntie lives an hour from my mum, but she'd rather arrive and find there's nobody in and its a wasted trip, than phone first to check it's OK to come.
So, although dropping in unannounced isn't the done thing for lots of us, to them it's normal and they feel upset that this is an issue to you. Neither are particularly wrong. Although, I'd hate it if my in laws did it too. They did go away and give you space though, which is what you asked for.
The only alarm bell thing I'm getting from your OP is the crab stick. That's not on.
I'd really try to work on the relationship if I were you. The more people who love your children, the better. I'd have a frank discussion with your PILs, yes your DH needs to be involved in it too, but you have a voice too. Tell them what relationship they could have with their grandchild i.e babysitting, if they'd accept that you are the parents and you have rules that will be followed.
It would be a shame to go NC just because they are being full on.

WhereverIlaymycatthatsmyhome · 02/01/2024 16:32

I would have moved far far away by now...

LookItsMeAgain · 02/01/2024 16:46

I got about half way through your opening post and saw that when you wanted 24 hours (not long by any stretch) after you had your baby, without any visits from his family, he made out that it was just you requesting this not both of you.

Because of that, I am firmly in the "You have a DH problem" rather than "you have an in-law problem".

Your DH believed it would be easier to piss you off by not having your back than piss off his own family.

You need to get a grip on that for starters. Make it his problem each and every time he decides to throw you under the bus.

If they show up unexpectedly, you will, for the short term anyway have to be rude to them - "Oh sorry, we're actually heading out. If only you had called before dropping by or sent us a text to say you were thinking of stopping by I could have saved you the effort" or even "Oh, sorry DH and I were just about to head upstairs for a bit of afternoon delight. (yes be blunt and crude if you have to) Please can you text/call us before dropping by as you've really taken the shine off our romantic mood now".

Alternatively, when they stop by, you go out. Take the baby out. Don't be at their beck and call.

Your DH will start to see that you're not as available for his family and he definitely will start to ask questions. Just be prepared with your answers "They never let us know when they are stopping by" or "I had plans to go for a walk and I needed the fresh air" or whatever you want to say.

Time for you and your child to be the main people in your DH's life. Be clear with your expectations and tell him that if he ever has the bright idea of throwing you under the bus with his family again, you'll have no issues throwing him under the bus either.

Mrgrinch · 02/01/2024 16:47

To be honest your DP is being an absolute arsehole by undermining you behind your back and telling them it's all you. No way would I put up with that shit.

LookItsMeAgain · 02/01/2024 16:55

I've gone back and read the rest of your post now and I think your DP is absolutely horrible to you by not having your back at the first time he was challenged to.

His family are terrible too.

Start setting easily understood and easy to follow boundaries. If you want them to call before they visit, turn them away every single time they drop by uninvited or unannounced.
Then move onto the other stuff. If you want to buy something for your child(ren), then whatever they buy, say thank you but they get to keep in their house (which you won't be visiting for any considerable time) and you get to buy the item for your house whenever you want to.
Don't give them a key (even for emergency purposes) as they will without doubt concoct some sort of 'emergency' that isn't one and gain access to your home.
Don't let them feed your child(ren). Make sure you've eaten before you allow them to visit and make sure your kid(s) have eaten too.

You have to get smart here. They seem like the types of people that if you give an inch they'll take a mile. Don't give them that inch.

These are completely reasonable boundaries.
Make sure your DP understands that you're not being rude or unreasonable here. You are trying to establish good, healthy boundaries that as your child(ren) grow up, they can see what a healthy relationship with parents and in-laws looks like.

If you don't think that would be something that is possible, I would strongly urge you to move away from the neighbourhood that you're in and move far away from them.

MooMaa83 · 03/01/2024 20:08

OP they're awful and your husband is a coward for not having your back. What most struck me about your post was that is was your Mum who stepped in and stood up for you....that should have been your husband. I would be having a serious discussion with him about his priorities and lay out your boundaries, and your expectations that he supports you.

Marblessolveeverything · 03/01/2024 20:18

I want to hug your mum.

What was your dh response to the crab stick incident? I think I actually would have inserted cutlery in anyone who did that to my children!

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 03/01/2024 20:20

I could not put up with this from any of them, your partner included! His refusal to maintain boundaries for fear of upsetting his parents would put me right off him.

And do not let them babysit!

Greenpolkadot · 03/01/2024 20:28

What a fucking Awful family

FairytaleOfKent · 03/01/2024 20:34

Never worry yourself about upsetting people that do not care about upsetting you. You should only ever treat people how they treat you.

Your ILs do not respect you, so you have absolutely no reason to respect them. They do not trust that you are parenting well, so do not trust them in return.

This is how I function in life.

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