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To think elaborate skincare is unnecessary, or will my face fall off with this routine?

169 replies

GreatBigYou · 29/12/2023 21:20

All my friends of a similar age (40s) seem to use loads of different serums and potions, but I can never remember/be bothered too.

I just wash my face with a face wash (Superdrug one) and use moisturiser (currently Simple one) in the morning. I don't wear makeup usually so I don't do anything at night.

AIBU to think that everything else is a bit of a con that doesn't have any lasting impact? Or will I regret being laissez-faire when I'm in my 50s or 60s?

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FancyFran · 30/12/2023 10:27

I work in beauty OP.

This is what works.
No smoking
No drinking
SPF outside.
Plenty of veg, fruit and fish. Dairy has a host of vitamins.

I use very little in my late 50s.

Balm cleanser
Face wipes ocassionaly
Scrub twice a week
Vit c serum
Cream moisturiser (usually what is in test in our labs).

I only have a few lines around my eyes. I laugh alot!

My chemist uses Nivea so soft!

Tommalot · 30/12/2023 10:36

If you wear SPF, doesn't it have to be cleansed off? Because I couldn't be arsed with all that

mycatsanutter · 30/12/2023 10:36

@Ndd135632 I hope you dont mind me asking you something as you are obviously very knowledgeable. I'm nearly 50 barely have any wrinkles but I have noticed my chin , especially either side , is pitted ' cobblestone' chin ? Is retinol / vitamin c / exfoliating the answer ? It looks awful in a magnifying mirror!

LisaD1 · 30/12/2023 10:40

I think it’s in the luck of the genes mainly. I’m 51, genuinely get mistaken for mid 30’s frequently. I used to use soap and water, I now use miscellaneous water and very rarely remember to moisturise. I spend a lot of time outdoors and I personally think all the fresh air helps. I would spend £50 on dog treats but feel sick at spending that on skin care, to each their own :)

istoodonlegoagain · 30/12/2023 10:43

@mycatsanutter I've got that pitting too either side of my chin and I'm only 40 😭. Following on for advice.

FeelTheRush · 30/12/2023 10:46

Skin care is individual - what works for you won't necessarily work for the next person. So if you like what you're doing, stick with it. The only thing I'd suggest is a SPF.

Personally, I use niacinamide, vitamin C moisturizer and SPF in the morning and then vitamin C, azelaic acid or retinol in the evening (after double cleansing).

If your skin doesn't need that - great! You probably have great genetics! I don't, so I chose to spend my money on this.

mycatsanutter · 30/12/2023 10:47

@istoodonlegoagain i did some Googling and there is that much conflicting advice , Botox was mentioned but I can't afford that so want to sort it out another way before it gets worse . Mine is just either side too 😩

oneflewoverthe · 30/12/2023 10:47

I'm 39 so probably not able to talk about the signs of aging yet but I my skin does look much brighter now I use a serum before moisturiser. It's olay total effects so under £10. I also use the Olay vitamin c spf 30 day cream. A lot of it is down to genetics and hormones. Sun protection is important though and not smoking. I don't often moisturise at night though and often leave my makeup on overnight. No wrinkles yet but I wouldn't expect many at my age.

zaazaazoo · 30/12/2023 10:50

LisaD1 · 30/12/2023 10:40

I think it’s in the luck of the genes mainly. I’m 51, genuinely get mistaken for mid 30’s frequently. I used to use soap and water, I now use miscellaneous water and very rarely remember to moisturise. I spend a lot of time outdoors and I personally think all the fresh air helps. I would spend £50 on dog treats but feel sick at spending that on skin care, to each their own :)

Whenever people claim to look 15-20 years younger than they are, I really want to see a photo. I'm yet to see anyone actually look that much younger than they are. Other than some Eastern Asians. And they possibly don't look 20 years younger to other Eastern Asians.

CharlotteRumpling · 30/12/2023 10:58

mycatsanutter · 30/12/2023 10:36

@Ndd135632 I hope you dont mind me asking you something as you are obviously very knowledgeable. I'm nearly 50 barely have any wrinkles but I have noticed my chin , especially either side , is pitted ' cobblestone' chin ? Is retinol / vitamin c / exfoliating the answer ? It looks awful in a magnifying mirror!

Do try prescription tret before Botox. Has really helped the texture of my skin which had some acne scars.Prescription not OTC.

Shewhobecamethesun · 30/12/2023 11:00

I have a multi step skin car routine but I'm also one who will also go to bed with my makeup still on. I have good skin, great genetics. Never smoked and haven't drunk alcohol for years, and never enjoyed sunbathing, so I don't need a long skin care routine. However, when I am consistent with it (cleanser, serum, moisturiser) you can tell because my skin is glowing and radiant. When I dont it just goes a little dull. So although not needed, it does also make a difference so I am definitely in team skincare (even though I'm not very good at being consistent with it)

PumpkinPieAlibi · 30/12/2023 11:05

Skincare doesn't have to be expensive but I do think some level of care is necessary. Yes, genetics play a big role as does lifestyle (drinking, smoking, sun exposure, poor diet etc) however those with both good genes and a healthy lifestyle would have even better skin if some basic skincare is incorporated.

None of the below takes more than 10 minutes of your day to apply and many of these items can be found for a very reasonable price. For eg, basic tret/retinol is much cheaper in my country than retinol serums that are nowhere near as effective.

A lot of what I suggest is in line with @Ndd135632 's earlier advice.

  1. Limit sun exposure and use sunscreen when outdoors
  2. Retinol! The actual prescription stuff, not retinol creams. The active ingredient is called tretonoin and can be found in pharmacies branded as Retin-A. It's quite cheap where I'm from (about 15 gbp per tube which lasts months).
  3. Chemical exfoliants. The science shows that physical exfoliation is damaging to the skin barrier; chemical exfoliation aids cell rejuvenation without damaging the barrier once used appropriately. Examples - AHAs like lactic, mandelic or glycolic acid and BHAs like salicylic acid. These do not have to be used daily.
  4. Vitamin C. This is also scientifically proven to increase skin brightness but it's important to do your research. Vitamin C in its strongest form is called L-Ascorbic Acid which is highly unstable, as it breaks down when exposed to sunlight and oxygen so it's important to buy properly packaged forms.
  5. Niacinamide - Fantastic for evening skin tone, reducing pore size and combatting hyperpigmentation. I've seen so much improvement since using this. I highly recommend The Ordinary's 10% Niacinamide serum which is about 11 USD for 2 oz and lasts about 4 months.
  6. Peptides and ceramides - improves the skin barrier, tightens the skin and slows down prevention of fine lines.
  7. Hyaluronic acid which is proven to help skin cells retain moisture and plumps the skin.

The key is to find skincare that doesn't focus on the marketing and packaging. Understand your skin type (maybe do an online skin quiz if you're uncertain), decide on the products that your skin would benefit from and get products that focus on the main ingredient. I find The Ordinary products are a fantastic value and focus on the active ingredient without all the bells and whistles.

With the exception of sunscreen, the above products are generally known as 'actives'. They are the step in between your cleanser and moisturiser. In general, I think a basic pharmacy cleanser and moisturiser is fine as they are part of general skin hygiene but it's the actives that really do the work so I wouldn't suggest spending a lot on cleansers and moisturisers. I find the Simple Moisturising Gel cleanser to be great. Ideally, look for a non-lathering cleanser as these dry out your skin. In terms of moisturiser, I love using oils. Jojoba oil and grapeseed oil are fairly light and non-comedogenic (pore-clogging). It's especially important to moisturise if you live in a dry environment.

And yes, men do benefit from skincare also. My husband had a very oily T-zone and dry, flaky cheeks and since I've encouraged him to use some of the above, his skin is neither flaky nor oily and generally evenly moisturised. His pores look a lot better too. Forgoing skincare isn't flipping the bird to the patriarchy; it's just a good practice in taking care of your body, even if all you do is stay out of the sun, wash off your makeup and apply some oil.

Farmageddon · 30/12/2023 11:06

mycatsanutter · 30/12/2023 10:36

@Ndd135632 I hope you dont mind me asking you something as you are obviously very knowledgeable. I'm nearly 50 barely have any wrinkles but I have noticed my chin , especially either side , is pitted ' cobblestone' chin ? Is retinol / vitamin c / exfoliating the answer ? It looks awful in a magnifying mirror!

I have similar because of occasional hormonal spots on my chin over the years. I asked at a salon about it, and she has recommended I do a chemical peel to try and improve the texture.

I do remember a few years ago when I was looking into skincare first, when I started to use glycolic acid at 10% I think (it was the Paula's choice one in the blue bottle) it made the skin there much smoother to touch even after a few days of use. But it still looks a bit bumpy. So I'm hoping a TCA chemical peel will help improve it.

I have used tretinoin for a few years and it hasn't gotten rid of it unfortunately.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 30/12/2023 11:12

I honestly think unless you are going to go the full monty with retinol and Botox and fillers and surgery then basic skincare does the same job as expensive stuff. Apart from sunscreen, which you should be wearing daily - my only skincare regret in my late forties is not having extended my spf down to my throat and collarbone. You can really see the difference!

Genetics and bone structure determine most of what you are going to look like. Lifestyle, sleep, smoking, climate, diet and stress also make a bigger difference than any serum. Time spent on grooming, clothes and hair pays off too. Most of us are screwed on at least some of these grounds Grin.

christmaspawpaws · 30/12/2023 11:15

Tommalot · 30/12/2023 10:36

If you wear SPF, doesn't it have to be cleansed off? Because I couldn't be arsed with all that

Yep. I mean you do need to wash your face, that's basic hygiene like washing your hair!

OohThatCat · 30/12/2023 11:15

I think genetics can play a big part. I had terrible hormonal acne all my adult life, only now since I’ve medicated it has my skin responded and cleared. But I do have a fairly long routine in the morning with a few Korean and The Ordinary products, as I’ve noticed my skin was extremely dry on medication, and I’ve tried everything topical under the sun to soothe my skin til I found products that work!

its extensive but I can tell the difference in skin if I don’t do it, as I can’t take all the products on holiday and there’s a noticeable difference in feel if I just use moisturiser.

But I was cursed with poor genetics in the skin department so I do feel I have to put more effort in. If you’ve got good genes / no skin problems at minimum moisturiser, spf 50 and tret is enough, although I do also swear by snail mucin products!

GeneCity · 30/12/2023 11:19

I think the only thing that really works is sunscreen.

Everything else seems to be not clinically proven to work (I wonder why), or not clinically proven not to do harm (which is even scarier).

dressedforcomfort · 30/12/2023 11:41

I think genetics plays a big part tbh. My Mum and Nan had very good skin and I've inherited it. (Also inherited their duff thyroid, so it's a mixed bag!)

Anyway, consequently, I have a very low maintenance routine and can use very basic products and have good results.

One of my friends has the most sensitive skin going and has the most complicated, and expensive, skin regime I've ever seen.

All any of us can do is eat well, sleep well, stay hydrated and not smoke. Other than that, good skin is down to the genetic lottery.

CharlotteRumpling · 30/12/2023 11:43

@GeneCity Tret is clinically proven to work. The only thing, apart from sunscreen, that is.

enchantedsquirrelwood · 30/12/2023 11:47

I have the contents of a Lumene advent calendar to work through, but usually I cleanse with Superdrug's Vitamin E hot cloth cleanser and use the Vit E SPF 15 moisturiser.

In the summer I use a factor 30 or 50 sunscreen,

And that is about it.

I have quite sensitive skin so if I try other things my skin usually complains - I'll see if I have to dispose of any of the Lumene products.

GeneCity · 30/12/2023 11:58

CharlotteRumpling · 30/12/2023 11:43

@GeneCity Tret is clinically proven to work. The only thing, apart from sunscreen, that is.

What's the definition of working here? Is it just looking younger? Is this the one where you have to use sunscreen more than you would have previously?

I do belong to the less is more school, I appreciate that's not very fashionable.

MuddyBootTracks432 · 30/12/2023 12:03

I don't use any products
Water

I have been curious about the snail xxxx products that I have seen on my travels !

UglyModernWindows · 30/12/2023 12:20

I don’t care if it’s proven or not but vit C serum erased a large sun/liver spot on my cheek.

I got a Korean snail mucin serum from my friend too and it’s made a visible improvement on my skin.

Lucywithout · 30/12/2023 12:29

I am 81. I use a moisturiser when my skin feels dry and good quality soap every day. My neck is a bit scraggy but my face is like a 60 year old. I am v pale so do not sun bathe much: this is the secret I think, All those other things are just a comfort not necessary at all.

Kittybythelighthouse · 30/12/2023 13:49

@gannett men have thicker skin and don’t age in the same way, the bs.