be to expect mn's ....

[kaa0901]

to get the facts before they slag someone off!

am so upset - yes upset my your comments about disabled people having a right to park their cars where they want. no-one bothered to find out the full story before shooting me down in flames. nice to know that we are all here to support each other rather than criticize

lol at blue badge holder ruling the carparks.

I've been totally ignorant of these car park social structures.

Boco, it's a whole other world, I tells ya

Shopping online would solve the problem.

Actually you can get a blue badge if you have 'severe mental incapacity' and are in receipt of the higher rate care component of DLA (in which case you become eligible for higher rate mobility and also a blue badge).

The law surrounds being able to walk unaided. My 9 year old son (with severe mental incapacity and in receipt of higher rate care) does have a blue badge. He can run as fast as the wind- is extraordinarily fast, but fairly receives the blue badge because he cannot walk unaided near traffic (he has to be gripped onto at all times and often will fall to the floor refusing to move so has to be carried- as best you can carry a 9 year old whose refusing to move- back to the car).

When he's behaving he looks like any other 'normal' 9 year old, albeit one who is having his wrist held. There are no other signs that he has severe learning difficulties, cannot talk or that he has no understanding of road safety.

When he is kicking off he looks' severely mentally incapacitated'. Unfortunately he tends not to let us know in advance whether he's going to kick off (necessitating more space and a short distance) or whether he's going to be good as gold (not needing special requirements). Often we need to park in disabled bays to ensure the free parking (which he needs as we''re ever sure whether a visit somewhere will last 5 minutes (literally) or a few hours.

I'm a bit that someone would bother to move a disabled person from a p&T spot (and I do have other younger children as well) as it seems more hassle than parking elsewhere and walking.

phew glad sometimes not to have a car

and not to be in the uk

maybe walk to the shops

I have some solutions to the problem:

1. Shop online

2.Go shopping without your children, thereby removing the need for "space rage"

1. Turn off the computer set and do something less boring instead.

1. Get a life

You know how some threads should have theme tunes, this one is
'it's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how i keep from going under' It's the law of the carpark man, harsh. I don't think you can ask a blue badge holder to move and then get angry at the responses.

IG

Snort at how you managed to insert 4 in there.

Bree, twas not intentional, but now you mention it...

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I have a blue badge but always use PT spaces at tesco. Because dd is visually and mildly gross motor impaired. The disabled spaces require crossing traffic. Even if PT spaces are full I rarely use disabled bays as I believe they are better used by others. I do not need wide bays when its just me and dd. But I do need to not have to cross traffic!

'support' and 'agreement' do not mean the same thing

lol at space rage

blue badges should only be used on disabled spaces

That's not true. They can park where ever they need to.

I think P&B should be done away with completely, they seem to breed a quite unpleasant entitlement culture. Parents did survive without before you know! Park at the far end of the car park where no-one else does if you find it impossible to extract your baby from the car seat.

I think it is vile to kick a disabled person out of a P&B space. Have you got no shame?

How did you get them kicked out of the P&T space anyway?

I assume you parked your car, walked across the carpark, found a member of staff, went back to your car, moved it and then went shopping?
Crikey, that must have been much quicker and more convenient than parking in the space and just going shopping

Ahem.

New slant to the debate

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My dad has a blue badge because he had anti-typsan which is basically a hereditary form of emphysema. Basically he could barely take 2 steps without getting out of breath. The blue badge allows him to park anywhere even on double yellow lines according to him but he has received a ticket before. I think if all disable spaces were taken at the time the driver arrived then it's reasonable for them to park as close to the shop as they can even if it's in a p&t space. I have got annoyed in the past when I've had my little one with me and someone has parked in these spaces and clearly not been entitled to but as someone has said - people have coped long enough without these spaces years ago. They are just there now for convenience and they are a great idea but how frustating is it to go along to car parks and see thousans of empty disabled spaces - it's just one of those things you see and have a little grumble about and then get on with life. I think it would be unreasonable to get a disabled person moved out of a p&t space.

Support is not the same as agreeing with every word you say. If someone says or does something that other people strongly disagree with, they're not just going to meekly accept it and say nothing for fear of upsetting or offending that person. That's not how mumsnet works.

ooh, split infinitive there!

kaa.

hush now. there's a dear.

I think they should do away with them P&B spaces altogether and I say that with 3 kids under 6.

If you park further away you will have to walk further and lose your baby fat quicker!

We do all know, don't we, that P&T spaces are just a PR gimmick on the part of the supermarkets, not a matter of Social Justice?

(Unlike disabled spaces, which are a matter of necessity and supported by law.)

Urban - I think kaa may have fallen off the boards...

urban. Have you been name changing again!