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Shaking a child

19 replies

Deetch · 22/12/2023 21:56

If you were in a relationship with someone who shook your child, and screamed at your child daily, put them down etc., would you do anything?

I ask because I recall being shaken in rage, aged about five. Pummelled on my brothers bed. she also used to shout (scream) at us every day, shout abuse, accuse us of giving her a mental breakdown.

My mum was a teacher. Dressed well. Nice looking. Pillar of society. She used to tell me what a brilliant mother she was. She became an alcoholic when I was about 14.

I’m just trying to work out whether what she did was (as she said) normal/experienced by others, or not. It was my normal. In fact, my mother seemed to think she was a fabulous mother, ‘mother of the year’ material. She said all people are like this behind closed doors/aren’t what they pretend to be, and we must be loyal to her, and never speak of it. also, I was singled out (youngest of three) so I always thought it was something about me, that I’d done wrong. Perhaps it was.

AIBU - this is not normal, most mothers are not horrible to (one of) their kids (screaming, shaking)

AINBU - this is normal, all mums are like this behind closed doors

OP posts:
SockQueen · 22/12/2023 21:58

Absolutely not normal. I'm so sorry for what you went through.

ChangingTheNarrative · 22/12/2023 21:59

It was normal for me but it's not normal and we shouldn't have had to deal with that.

I'm sorry you went through that OP Flowers

Jingleballs2 · 22/12/2023 22:03

No, not normal at all!

Obviously behind closed doors there will be occasional shouting/arguing but not like this and not screaming at a little child. I'm talking more parents arguing or arguing with teenagers

Thedogscollar · 22/12/2023 22:05

You were abused botn physically and emotionally OP.
I'm so sorry your mother said this was normal. It isn't.
Are you still in contact with your mother?
Maybe talking to a counsellor about your childhood can enable you to move forward.

zeddybrek · 22/12/2023 22:07

I'm sorry you went through that OP. Not normal at all. But I think that generation had different views on how to bring up kids. I was somewhat emotionally neglected and that was ok as we were fed, clothed and had a roof over our heads. I feel that was the definition of good parenting then.

Mumof2NDers · 22/12/2023 22:09

Gish OP what an awful way to have grown up 😢
Not normal at all!!
And to answer your question would I do anything. Yes I absolutely would. No one would get away with treating my DC’s like that.

Twitchie · 22/12/2023 22:09

No, being shaken and pummelled is not normal.

chocolatemademefat · 22/12/2023 22:14

That was my normal too. As a child I thought it happened to everyone and it wasn’t until I was much older that I realised it didn’t.

My mother has now chosen to rewrite history and claims I had a wonderful childhood when in fact I lived in fear of her temper.

we have a very difficult relationship now as she still tries to control me. I have 2DS and brought them up in a completely different way - her example taught me what NOT to do.

Singleandproud · 22/12/2023 22:14

I can remember the three times my parents lost their shit with me, never ever physically and quite frankly I enjoyed antagonising them ( middle child, brothers both sides that took up significantly more time and attention due to their own struggles) and looking back definitely deserved it. I remember those three times as they were so unusual. I am in no doubt that I was loved and cared for as a child.

The fact that your mother told you not to tell anyone should tell you enough. It was wrong and she knew it. Some people are like that behind closed doors - the abusive ones. Perhaps that's how she had been brought up. Perhaps that's why she turned to alcohol. However I firmly believe that when we chose to have children it is our responsibility as the adults to end any generational trauma not continue it

CalistoNoSolo · 22/12/2023 22:17

God you poor thing. I've never screamed at my daughter, let alone shaken, hit or slapped her. Any kind of violence against a child is completely wrong and inexcusable.

WowOK · 22/12/2023 22:18

I shout more than I am comfortable with. I have never shaken, hit or pummelled anyone.

How old are you @Deetch ? I was hit as a child and that was very normal. I was even hit by my teacher. Although, shaken and pummelled is very extreme.

Grandmasswag · 22/12/2023 22:24

Not normal. I was brought up with the threat of a smack now and again and they lost certainly lost their shit every so often as all parents do but I never remember feeling scared of my parents. I think that’s the difference really. My dh was actually scared of his mum and has much poorer mental health than me despite much less childhood adversity.

WeWishYouAMerryChristmas2023 · 22/12/2023 22:24

No, it’s not normal and it took me many years as an adult to realise I’d suffered abuse. I was the youngest too, my elder siblings adored her (probably because they never suffered what I did).

accuse us of giving her a mental breakdown

This part of your post stood out for me, my mother would threaten to put her head in the gas oven. It’s a horrible feeling being a 6 year old child (as I was) and worrying that you were to blame for giving your mum a mental breakdown.

I tried to talk to my siblings and mum about it and they minimised it all with my mother denying things she’d said to me. My siblings put it down to “mum being mum”. I never went to my mothers funeral and I’ve been NC with everyone else for over 26 years now. Counselling helped me make sense of it all and move on. There’s a Stately Homes thread on here that I found super supportive @Deetch it made me feel that I wasn’t alone and that’s when I decided to go for counselling.

Edited to say many people normalise this type of behaviour from parents as they were ‘old school’. It doesn’t matter that they thought it was ‘normal’ back then, what matters is how you feel about it now.

Deetch · 23/12/2023 10:48

Hi all, thanks so much for your messages. @WowOK I’m now in my early 50s and in the 1970s, hitting even went on in school by teachers, so it was a different time. But it was shaking, not punching, by her, and I caused it. The shouting went on daily. I found it upsetting and embarrassing (so loud, with back doors open) I thought everyone’s mum shouted but you couldn’t hear it through closed windows, and that was why I didn’t hear shouting coming from other houses. We lived on a quiet housing estate.

like @Grandmasswag ’s partner, I was often scared of my mother, but I was very used to it, too. I lived on edge, really. But it’s complicated because she could be really nice, especially in public/to others. Almost like a split personality.

She was also nice looking, so people/society swooned around her, assumed she was a nice person (she: beautiful blonde. Us kids: mixed race so dark/er). She made it clear that white was better. Had body issues my entire adulthood. Including my entire 20s steeped in anorexia/etc. But she was also constantly on diets and, despite her own self-admiration, i am sure her self esteem was not the best either.

@WeWishYouAMerryChristmas2023 I’m so sorry you went through similar. It’s scary. I had constant threats from her, of suicide. From age 15 on. It felt like these threats were daily after I left home (she’d telephone me daily, when I was a student, to scream down the landline phone = pre mobiles). Had a horrible time at university.

@chocolatemademefat oh yes, she completely rewrites everything. You would think she was mother of the century, and she often says I was spoilt, “as the youngest”.

she was also so controlling when I lived at home. Eg as a sixth former I wasn’t allowed boyfriends, wasn’t allowed to socialise. This was her being protective of course. But the most “socialising” I did at that age was to traipse around really dull middle aged shops with her on the weekend. I used to count down the days to leaving home. (I was the youngest by a stretch so the only one at home.)

From certainly age 14, I was her counsellor and had to manage her drinking. I was the parent, really. From age 10, I realised I could tell her nothing difficult that was happening in my life. I must never upset her with my own issues.

It’s been illuminating coming on mumsnet to see discussions surrounding teenagers, and how much parents do to try and support their kids, sometimes even helping them to navigate their relationships with peers (rather than bring them down or actively isolating them from peers, as she would). But she was only ever doing her best, she would say if you asked her. Btw “Sorry” is not a word I’ve ever heard her say.

Now she’s in her 80s, I see through it. Her lies have become so silly they are obviously lies now. I didn’t like the way she mothered, but I can’t ever tell her that. No point. I used to occasionally mention things to her, eg recall saying to her (when I was about 34) that it was tough not having pocket money as a kid, and that it was amazing I had any mates since as a sixth former, the trendiest clothes I had were my grandmother’s caste-offs. This resulted in her flagellating herself with a book she was carrying… so never any point.

But I wanted to start this thread to find out what others thought about this sort of mothering, since it was so normalised to me. Thanks to all who have shared their stories or said you would never scare a child. Nor would I.

OP posts:
stargirl1701 · 23/12/2023 10:50

That's not normal, OP.

I'm a 70s baby and it was normal to get a snack on the bottom if you were naughty.

You are describing abuse. Abuse fuelled by alcohol.

TheCatfordCat · 23/12/2023 11:16

I grew up in the 80s & earrly 90s. Some kids got whalloped by their parents but I never did. I wasn't a naughty kid and I had lots of love from my mum (dad was more distant). They never laid a hand on me, ever. My mum didn't shout but if I did do something wrong she'd be "off" with me for a few days which was her way of expressing her disappointment. (In the Simpsons Marge did this to Bart after he stole a video game from the shop. That was Mum). The sense I'd let Mum down was much mire crushing than anyone ever yelling at me.

Mumof2NDers · 23/12/2023 15:51

stargirl1701 · 23/12/2023 10:50

That's not normal, OP.

I'm a 70s baby and it was normal to get a snack on the bottom if you were naughty.

You are describing abuse. Abuse fuelled by alcohol.

I was brought up in the 70’s too and did receive a few slaps but don’t believe in smacking children at all. I’m sick of hearing the phrase “well it never did me any harm”. I can honestly say it didn’t do me any harm either but it didn’t stop me doing the same daft shit time after time either.

Georgeandzippyzoo · 23/12/2023 16:00

Definitely NOT normal, and for those saying a different generation..... that's just excusing abusive behaviour.
My DM was not a 'lovey ' mam, very few hugs that I can remember BUT she was never abusive. I assume as children we got the typical tap on the legs now and again (mo memory) but physical grabbed, pummelled on the bed? NO.

Don't allow that in your heads pace. Your DM may have convinced herself but don't let her mess with your experience. Would you do it to a child? No? Because it's not acceptable, or normal!

BertieBotts · 23/12/2023 16:06

I am so sorry OP. No it's not normal, it's abusive.

About her denying all of it - I came across this website recently where someone has catalogued forums for estranged parents. These are basically abusive parents whose adult children have cut all contact with them. There are some really interesting observations.

https://www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/index.html

The MN "Stately Homes" threads on Relationships will also probably be helpful if you wanted to have a look at them.

Down the Rabbit Hole: The world of estranged parents' forums | Issendai.com

The members of estranged parents' forums claim their children cut them off for no reason, but their own postings say otherwise.

https://www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/index.html

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