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To feel so angry that it’s taken over 2 decades to come to this diagnosis?

51 replies

Picklemeyellow · 22/12/2023 10:09

Maybe I am BU or maybe not but it’s early days and I’m feeling so sad and angry and maybe I just need to to take stock contemplate it all?

So, I have suffered with my periods since they began at the age of 12. Very heavy periods which I would have to plan my life around and often stay at home on the heaviest days because of flooding. I’ve been so anaemic that I needed infusions last year. I have have been under the same gynae department since my mid 20’s. I’ve had recurring uterine polyps and thickening of my uterus. I’ve had a d&c, several hysteroscopies to remove the polyps and an op to remove the most stubborn polyps as there were so many at one time.
Last year I had a uterine ablation, I was hesitant as I was concerned about Post Ablation Syndrome which my gynae reassured me it was highly unlikely and actually laughed at me for asking so many questions about the procedure (turned to his nurse and said ‘Ah, this is the lady I was telling you about, the one who emailed so many questions’). Lo and behold I have developed this Post Ablation Syndrome and am now in agony during each period.

I have also suffered from daily gut issues since 1998. Again, endless tests (2 colonoscopies, 2 gastroscopes, a pill camera endoscopy and scan for bile acid malabsorption). All clear and I’ve basically been told my gut issues are all in my head even been referred to a neuro-gastro team at a London hospital by my local gastroenterologist. Of course, I have been thankful for all of these tests.

5 years ago, at the age of 43 my sister was diagnosed with endometriosis due to a mass on her ovary which turned out to be endo.

I have mentioned this several times to my gastroenterologist and gynaecologist and asked if all my issues could be related to endometriosis as I’d read it often runs in families. Basically I was greeted with a shrug to this question.

During my gynaecologist follow up in October and discussing my pain since the ablation I asked if I could have a contrast MRI scan to check things over. The results have just come back and surprise, surprise…..the gynaecologist says it is showing endometriosis and quite severe adenomyosis too. He is referring me to the endometriosis team.

Whilst I am happy for this referral and to talk with someone (eventually) about this condition I am so very sad and pissed off right now. I am 51 in March and have had decades of pain and discomfort within my pelvic region and with all of my digestive system. It has shaped my life in a way I hadn’t planned for. I have had to give up on a career I wanted because of my unpredictable symptoms. I now work part time in a job I’ve never really wanted to do and doesn’t pay half of what I could have earned. I’ve had to cancel so many plans and fun things in the past, promised my dc I’d take them places then cancelled last minute, again because of my unpredictable symptoms. That’s made me feel like such a crap parent.

Even when I mentioned my sister had endometriosis still no-one took me seriously. Last time I saw my private gastroenterologist she put her head in her hands and said ‘what on earth am I going to do with you?’, this from a woman I’m paying £200 an hour to see. Her advice for my pain and discomfort was probiotics and meditation!

I know it’s early days and I’ll probably calm down but how to I get over mouring those lost years I’ve spent in pain, discomfort and panic wondering what is wrong with me when all around me people (including family and friends) where telling me to man up and get over myself because it’s all in my head? And btw, I do spend most of my time with a ‘happy’ mask on my face and just get on with it even though inside I feel like shite.

I am so angry right now, also upset that I’ve had so many tests which some were far from nice and had I been diagnosed with endo earlier it would have saved the NHS a lot of money. I feel that I’ve been an unnecessary drain on the NHS.

Should I just shelve this in some far flung dark corner of my brain and push on through life? How do I do that right now?

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Keepingongoing · 22/12/2023 10:21

That sounds truly awful. I have no advice but just wanted to acknowledge in some small way, what you’ve been through.

I know, from another issue, how intensely painful it is when medics don’t take you seriously, and undermine you.

If only they would acknowledge, and apologise, when they’ve got it wrong.

Whataretheodds · 22/12/2023 10:24

I'd complain to all of them, frankly, and ask them to consider how they might update their practice to avoid the same happening to other patients.

Depending on how militant you're feeling about it you might contact Emma Barnett - she's suggested from endo herself and has been vocal about poor treatment of gynae health.

Blinkityblonk · 22/12/2023 10:26

That sounds horrendous and I can't understand why they didn't think of endo at the start- when you said the pain and gut issues, I just thought of it immediately as I've also had endo...it won't solve anything, but if you like reading, Hilary Mantel wrote autobiographically about her experience of being misdiagnosed and ending up infertile due to endo, it might help you channel some of that rage, or even write about it and make a complaint.

BringMeTea · 22/12/2023 10:31

YANBU at all. I was referred to 7 different gynaecologists from age about 23. None ever suggested a lap. It took a gynaecologist overseas where I was living to finally do one aged 42 and, surprise surprise, rampant endo. UK health service is sub par on the whole. Flowers

Picklemeyellow · 22/12/2023 10:39

Keepingongoing that’s exactly it. I’ve felt for years as though I was going crazy, that I should shut up and keep quiet because, well, basically I am a woman and I should accept all these issues and stop complaining. That’s just how it’s always felt to me.

Thank you Keepingongoing I will check her out.

Blinkityblonk I’m looking back though my thick folder of gynae appointments/letters etc and just can not understand why no gynae (I’ve probably seen approx 4 or so) have never even contemplated endometriosis? I will look up Hilary Mantel, thank you.

BringMeTea I am so sorry this happened to you also. It does make you wonder just how many poor women are experiencing these issues and being dismissed?

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vipersnest1 · 22/12/2023 11:48

@Picklemeyellow, I sincerely hope that your HCPs will crack on with treatment promptly now.
I too had undiagnosed endo for years (I used to hope I would faint when the pain was particularly bad). I was also diagnosed with fibromyalgia just over two years ago after thirty years of pain that was always minimised. I was completely ignored by at least three different rheumatologists after saying I thought all of my symptoms were connected. I don't think it's cynical of me to believe that it is because I'm a woman.

Picklemeyellow · 22/12/2023 12:11

vipersnest1 I feel so very angry for all of us who have been dismissed for years. And I really don’t think you are being cynical, I’d bet my bottom dollar most are female.

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lljkk · 22/12/2023 12:36

What treatment will you get now, OP, what can they do to make you better?

Did everyone always know that endometriosis and adenomyosis could only be diagnosed or excluded by contrast MRI scan? This says that contrast MRI was invented in 1988, when I guess OP was 14.

Newsenmum · 22/12/2023 12:37

If you have the energy then absolutely get in touch with all of them and make a fuss! Get them to change how they work and improve lives for other young women from now on!

MatildaTheCat · 22/12/2023 12:43

I knew this would be the diagnosis before I opened your post. It’s a bloody disgrace when according to Emma Barnett on WH, 10% of women suffer from the condition (in varying degrees and forms).

Can anyone imagine a condition affecting men being so woefully handled?

I hope you get the treatment you need and can add your voice to the noise that need to happen.

MatildaTheCat · 22/12/2023 12:45

@Picklemeyellow Hilary Mantel’s autobiography was adapted for radio 4 this year. She was sent to psychiatrists and medicated. Well worth a listen.

Tootsey11 · 22/12/2023 12:54

Took me 7 years to be diagnosed. I saw that many consultants and doctors. I will never forget the female consultant who pulled my top up, looked at my abdomen and said 'I can't see anything wrong with you'. Well no, not unless you have xray vision, you won't. She told me to 'keep your poo sloppy'. That'll sort it. It was a young male who pushed things further and said there is something wrong here. My insides are a complete mess.

FictionalCharacter · 22/12/2023 13:21

Write to the gynaecologist and the private gastroenterologist. Remind them how they laughed at you and suggest things like meditation. Tell them about the diagnosis you have now had and tell them that they should not have dismissed you the way they did.

It won’t cure you, but it will give them a moment of realising they were wrong, even if they don’t admit that to anyone. And that will have achieved something, if they have even a moment of self-reflection.

Goatymum · 22/12/2023 13:29

i really feel for you. I don’t think you should just shrug it off, I would probably write string-worded letters to the consultants involved a) to vent your spleen and b) to tell them you weren’t ‘making it up’ or a hypochondriac.
Not on the same scale but I also struggle w gynae/digestive issues and have had polyps and have mainly digestive issues now. I find consultants to be very dismissive when ‘serious’ issues like cancer or ibd are ruled out. Ok, I’m pleased it’s not cancer, but I’m still suffering and I’d like to get to the bottom of things. Even my dh, who came with last time, said he was quite disinterested.
It’s disgusting that we pay privately - either through insurance or directly - and get fobbed off.

Guttedme · 22/12/2023 20:43

I can believe it. Although it was a male doctor on one of my first wards as the patient with backache, who said don't let your numb tummy go.

A small fibroid that no one has ever told me the type ends up being a sample, look and coil under GA, apparently my only option, take it or leave it after waiting a year, the nhs are willing to pay for a GA / procedure which may or may not work despite the original ultrasound of problem being 7 months ago and thats before we get to first on list. I truly think all the nhs is good for is an emergency situation and then not for looking at other problems beyond one.

I felt sad when I viewed copy of the outpatient gynae letter and whilst I know it is true but nothing short of considered a!/e covering the past in any other role, it states at first my symptoms were attributed to myelopathy.

I've even started wondering if you live with something for a year or a number of many months, does your body just get used to it. Even when I had an infection last month and was pee'ing blood that wasn't period, the GP couldn't say it was killing/degenerating my problem with any certainty.

No wonder these doctors don't like sending people for a contrast MRI until it is too late.

Moredarkchocolateplease · 22/12/2023 20:54

OP I am so so sorry for you.

I agree with the PPs, you absolutely have to write to each consultant individually. This should be highlighted to them and agree that it might make them behave differently in future.

Meditation ffs.

I truly hope you feel better both physically and mentally and you can find a way to move on.

BoulderOpal · 22/12/2023 20:59

Very similar situation here, even down to my sister who has endometriosis (worse than me, she’s really through it).

Find the whole topic absolutely exhausting and the medical interest and communication around it patronising while being simultaneously wrong!

Anyway, I’m so sorry this has happened to you, if you have the energy, complain.
Wishing you healing

LaughingCat · 22/12/2023 21:28

I hope you find a way to channel that rage. Whether it’s endometriosis, vaginal mesh, the effects of medicines like valproate on women or the shocking state of our maternity services at the moment…when it comes to women’s health issues, we are not listened to, dismissed, sidelined and too often ignored.

The Cumberlege Review was a promising start but we need more.

Look up Kath Sansom and see what she has achieved through decades of pain fuelling her sheer, dogged persistence to change the law and the medical establishment on vaginal mesh (I should know, I took a lot of her calls demanding relevant data for several years - we could never tell her how much we were rooting for her!).

We need more like her, and Emma Murphy, and Janet Williams, and Hilary Mantel…and you. Because change is possible and does happen, every day.

Somatosensational · 22/12/2023 21:29

This is appalling. I’m so sorry. It took 7 years of pointless tests, antibiotics and head shaking to get my diagnosis (although had been suffering for a lot longer but got told it was ‘normal’ 🙄) the investigations for which pushed for by myself, 20+ years is completely unacceptable.

Even now, with my laparoscopically-confirmed diagnosis, I don’t get taken seriously. I walked out of my last gynae appointment - an endo specialist - in tears. She told me that since she removed it all, it couldn’t be causing my pain and it must be IBS, despite saying the complete opposite in an Instagram post she made. It’s not IBS. Agonising contraction-like cramps accompanied by leg numbness and heavy bleeding at the same time each month is not fucking IBS. It makes me so angry.

Angrymum22 · 22/12/2023 21:45

I was diagnosed with endo in my mid 30s. I had a lap at 28 after presenting with classic endo symptoms but there was no evidence at that stage. Apparently endo pain is often worse before it becomes visually detectable. This was 30+ yrs ago when endo was still a very novel condition amongst the medics.

Looking back my DM had symptoms in her mid 30s as did my DSis. My DM went through a very early menopause ( result of pituitary tumour) so her symptoms stopped in her late 30s. I do remember her “attacks” being precipitated by certain foods, chicken, cream and a few other things.

When I started with similar food related problems my GP suggested that it may be related to high oestrogen in the foods. Back in the 70s and 80s livestock were commonly fed hormones to speed up maturation and increase yields, the practice is now banned in the UK.
It all started to make sense, the other major instigator was tartrazine for me, orange food colouring, within an hour of drinking orange juice and lemonade I was doubled up.

After 6-7yrs of debilitating pain and further investigations I was eventually diagnosed. I had a course of zoladex then surgery to remove a lot of the lesions. I then had my DS and had a Mirena coil fitted for the next 15 yrs.

Endo lesions caused a lot of adhesions and massive scarring over most of my bladder. I struggle with urine retention because I can’t feel when my bladder is full or whether I have fully emptied it. At other times it is hypersensitive and I’m constantly going to the loo.
I have a lot of scarring around my ovaries which are probably attached to my small and large bowel so even though I’m post menopausal still have stabbing pain from time to time.
My bowel is covered in scar tissue and adhesions which has in the past caused IBS.

To be honest the post pregnancy years have been ok while the Mirena was in place ( progesterone really does shrink down the endo lesions) and I did worry that post menopausally I might see a return of symptoms. But I’m now taking anastrozole a hormone blocker that is similar to zoladex so no longer have symptoms.

Endo is still almost impossible to diagnose without a laparoscopy. And in the early stages of development it can be missed.
I would suggest that once you’ve finished having a family either hysterectomy or hormone blockers are the best form of treatment. Unfortunately HRT will just continue to feed the lesions so avoid at all cost.

vipersnest1 · 22/12/2023 23:24

@Tootsey11, I have a recurrence or a rectocele. Besides being sent around the houses for two years (before I've finally got surgery agreed to, although I'm not sure what the parameters are as I haven't seen the new consultant I've been referred to yet), my then consultant's sole advice was 'it's important to not strain'. Pardon the pun, but 'no shit, Sherlock'. 🤬

Picklemeyellow · 22/12/2023 23:27

lljkk · 22/12/2023 12:36

What treatment will you get now, OP, what can they do to make you better?

Did everyone always know that endometriosis and adenomyosis could only be diagnosed or excluded by contrast MRI scan? This says that contrast MRI was invented in 1988, when I guess OP was 14.

I really don’t know as I haven’t yet had the appointment with the endo team. My gynaecologist has said it’ll probably be a hysterectomy.

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Picklemeyellow · 22/12/2023 23:50

Thanks everyone. I think I will push for answers if only as others have said for women going through this in the future. My dd15 has awfully heavy periods, I just hope she hasn’t followed myself and auntie. But knowing what I do now I’ll be her voice, I certainly won’t let her struggle for as long as my sister or I have.

Tootsey11 it’s disgraceful that we have to suffer for so long. I just can’t not believe that she would say that to you (well obviously having been gaslit for so long myself, I can, sadly).

Goatymum I am really starting to believe doctors are totally uninterested in chronic conditions or conditions hard to treat. It’s easier to make the patient feel as though they are time wasting and unimportant.

Thank you Moredarkchocolateplease I really do think I will write something to each of them.

BoulderOpal so sorry you and your sister have this too. My sister has had it bad also, was supposed to have an hour long op and ended up in theatre for 5 hours as her endo was everywhere.

LaughingCat I am getting angrier the more I contemplate it all. I need to be angry for my dd15 also because as you say the state of woman’s health services is often horrendous and I want for her (and all younger women) to be able to have access to decent and effective healthcare for their future.

I am so sorry Somatosensational. Of course that isn’t IBS, when on earth will these health professionals wake up and listen. We live in our bodies 24/7, we know the difference between what feels wrong and what feels normal, when will they stop patronising us?

Thanks Angrymum22 I have been reading up on everything I can on endo and am glad I’ve held back on hrt up until now, I do have a prescription for it but will definitely hold off until I’ve spoken with the endo team. My gynae says I’ll need a heater due to the adenomyosis alone which he says is quite severe.

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whereisitgoing · 22/12/2023 23:53

It is really shit OP and I am so sorry. I have had similar.

Women's health, both gynae stuff and wider chronic health issues, is treated fucking abysmally.

festivetinseling · 22/12/2023 23:55

Yes, well, women's problems innit? Women are just supposed to put up with dreadful menstrual symptoms and go away and stop bothering them. Confused