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The amount of money requested from school especially in December is insane!

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Notchangingnameagain · 19/12/2023 10:38

Just that really....

This month, on the online payment app, secondary school have asked for:

£5.00 School Disco - Whole School
£1.00 Team Building - Whole School
£1.00 Non Uniform/Christmas Jumper - Whole School
£120.00 Trip in July - Plus Spending Money
£7.50 Textbook
£6.50 Textbook
£43.00 Trip in January - Plus Spending Money
£163.00 Trip in February - Plus Spending Money
£4.00 Christmas Lunch - Whole School
£10.00 Secret Santa
£45.00 Trip in January - Plus Spening Money

£406.00.

I have two children in the school so it is actually higher than that for me if I said yes to everything.

I know none of the above is compulsory and some things can be paid in instalments, but it is a lot of money and it is a lot to say no too if you can't afford any of it regardless of an instalment plan.

OP posts:
Missamyp · 20/12/2023 11:05

Yes, I get it.
An endless request for money, even the What's App group has the PTA fundraising. So no escaping.
DP was telling me they raised money for a new playground a few years ago, they installed the equipment, and a child hurt themselves. Now this equipment is off-limits because of the accident.
What a waste.

Nonplusultra · 20/12/2023 15:12

Our secondaries have been much better about this than primary. One is private, and they ask for very little extra. And negotiate very good prices for their uniforms and kit, and use the same sports kit across a variety of sports. Art supplies are bought in bulk and we pay a very reasonable amount for an art pack. Aside from the big trips, most of their days out have been hikes or volunteering in the local community.

The other is state and by the time you add up all the extra costs, crested kit for hockey, football, pe, and a hefty “voluntary” contribution, there’s very little in the difference. But they are, at least, considerate in their timing.

It helps that there are payment apps now where you can see all the various activities across different year groups. I think schools forget that even though they know they always collect the deposit for a trip at a certain time of year, for most parents it’s their first time.

Things like Christmas jumper days where you’re expected to fork out a contribution and rustle up a jumper annoy me most. But our primaries also had red day, green day and blue day ffs. And mad hair day, mad socks day, non uniform, fancy dress, cake sales, book fair, Christmas fair, summer fair, sponsored walk, small change collection, kris kringle and a variety of school trips that each entailed a bus ride, entrance fee, and pocket money. They changed the PE uniform twice in my time there.

celticprincess · 21/12/2023 22:52

I agree that’s it’s badly planned for when they’ve been asking. They should have the trips sorted in September to ask for instalments. And I can’t believe the camping is compulsory. Mine would refuse to go and I wouldn’t make her. Her y6 trip I paid for and she ended up not going down to massive anxiety. So when she went to y7 and was offered their get to know you trip we just didn’t sign up. I couldn’t imagine it being compulsory.

helpihaveateen · 22/12/2023 17:11

Notchangingnameagain · 19/12/2023 12:02

I have two children in the school, I did have 3!

£120.00 Trip in July - Plus Spending Money of £10.00 - Camping "Compulsory" Trip

£43.00 Trip in January - Plus Spending Money of £5.00 - Trip for Woodwork Experience at another School - Optional

£163.00 Trip in February - Plus Spending Money of £40.00 - £60.00 Recommended - London Trip to Support GCSE English/History - Optional

£45.00 Trip in January - Plus Spending Money of £10.00 - Theatre Trip to Support GCSE English - Optional

I know it is not compulsory to do a lot of these trips and activities, but I think it would benefit everyone if the trips were planned throughout the year so we were not bombarded in December. It is alot of money to ask for between 1st - 18th December. In my opinion.

Our requests all seemed to come in September!
everyday there would be a message about money for something! £3 for this £10 for that, they weren’t big amounts, but I was £300 in by the end of September and the trips (new ones and known instalments for others were payable in October!)

is it really unreasonable to have all the information at once to know what you need to spend for a child and then make an informed financial decision about which ones to choose!!

im fortunate that I plan my money by mostly paying for things on a credit card (which I always pay off in full) so it gives me a few more weeks to make savings elsewhere to know I’ve got it covered!

in my job if we just sent demands for money continuously our customers would really kick off! We set out our fees for the year ahead and people can either pay upfront or spread the costs over a few months or a year!

the bit that really annoys me is the not knowing what’s coming next!!

youngirlsworld · 01/10/2024 11:17

So my daughter's school keep asking for "voluntary contribution" for trips to visit places like museums which are free of charge or every other trip. They will then send out urgent messages stating that unless suficient funds are available, they will have to cancel the trip(which very often happens). Trips like to town centre which will take 5 minutes on a bus, they ask for a £20 payment.

My question is : Are school funded by local councils, government or whatever to cover the costs for such trips? If so, why do they keep asking for more and more money?

I think it's unfair to cancel such trips for no other reason rather than greed (if that's what's happening here). I have paid but would like to ask questions too.

Anyone with similar thoughts?

We are in Winchester, UK.

Thank you

Lion1618 · 01/10/2024 13:42

youngirlsworld · 01/10/2024 11:17

So my daughter's school keep asking for "voluntary contribution" for trips to visit places like museums which are free of charge or every other trip. They will then send out urgent messages stating that unless suficient funds are available, they will have to cancel the trip(which very often happens). Trips like to town centre which will take 5 minutes on a bus, they ask for a £20 payment.

My question is : Are school funded by local councils, government or whatever to cover the costs for such trips? If so, why do they keep asking for more and more money?

I think it's unfair to cancel such trips for no other reason rather than greed (if that's what's happening here). I have paid but would like to ask questions too.

Anyone with similar thoughts?

We are in Winchester, UK.

Thank you

Schools receive a certain amount of funding per pupil. This is barely enough to cover the running of the school (and often doesn't even do that) let alone anything additional, which is why families are asked to cover additional expenses such as trips, parties etc. PTAs also exist to try and fundraise to contribute towards these additional experiences.
They ask for voluntary contributions as they cannot exclude children from curriculum-linked visits just because their parents haven't paid for it, however if they can't cover the costs from these contributions then they're completely within their rights not to run the trip at a massive loss. Most of the curriculum can be taught in school, with the exception of things like swimming usually, so schools can cut right back on the amount of visits and experiences that they offer. However they then get picked up for not providing enriching and varied experiences. They can't really win!

celticprincess · 02/10/2024 09:12

youngirlsworld · 01/10/2024 11:17

So my daughter's school keep asking for "voluntary contribution" for trips to visit places like museums which are free of charge or every other trip. They will then send out urgent messages stating that unless suficient funds are available, they will have to cancel the trip(which very often happens). Trips like to town centre which will take 5 minutes on a bus, they ask for a £20 payment.

My question is : Are school funded by local councils, government or whatever to cover the costs for such trips? If so, why do they keep asking for more and more money?

I think it's unfair to cancel such trips for no other reason rather than greed (if that's what's happening here). I have paid but would like to ask questions too.

Anyone with similar thoughts?

We are in Winchester, UK.

Thank you

No. The school does not have funding which would pay for travel for trips.

yea the museums are free. Often if a workshop is involved there will be a cost for that as many museums charge for those additional things. Then coaches cost an absolute fortune. Try getting a quote for a coach for 30 kids to go into town and back and see what they charge. Insurance for coaches went up as did fuel. They pay their driver for the whole trip even if they’re just sat on the car park whilst the kids are off learning.

school budgets are squeezed. Children entitled to free school lunches carry additional funding for school - pupil premium - but this is for those low income lunches not the general all kS1 lunches.

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