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AIBU to cut contact with gaslighting MIL?

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Bonnie3944 · 18/12/2023 14:20

For context, DP & I have been together 5 years, we live together & have 2 year old. Never had any issues with MIL up until DS was born, she was unhappy to hear I was pregnant, refused to look at the scan photo, she claimed I had ‘planned’ our pregnancy announcement deliberately on the week of her birthday to ‘steal her thunder’, then told me I was uninvited from her birthday dinner. went no contact up until I gave birth & she got back in touch to congratulate us (no apology for her behaviour previous). Herself & FIL turned up unannounced the same day we arrived home from hospital when DS was born after we specifically told her no visitors at least for the first week (same rule for all our family & friends). She then started crying when DP tried sending them home, said we were being ‘cruel’, I was too exhausted to debate it so just gave in & told DP to let them in. Then FIL insisted he didn’t want to hold DS as he was ‘in his best clothes’. They’ll contact DP asking to visit then cancel last minute, say that something els has come up or just don’t show up at all & ignore our calls or texts. They have a habit of saying they can’t visit or attend things like birthdays cause they are working but we always find out later on that they weren’t working they had just made other plans. For example, they missed DS’s first birthday due to them both ‘working that day & couldn’t book it off’ then I find out later from other family members & photos plastered all over Facebook that they weren’t working & had went out for drinks with MIL’s sister & brother in law. There has been several instances like such where we have caught them out in a lie but when we ask about it MIL acts as if she ‘doesn’t remember’ or she’ll just deny it all together.

Given how many times shes let us down & blatantly lied to us & gaslighted us I’m officially at my wits end, I have ignored a lot of it & let a lot go for the sake of DP & DS’s relationship with her but all came to a head a few nights ago. MIL, FIL & brother in law are going away for Christmas so she messaged DP & asked if we could arrange a day before they go away to exchange gifts, give them chance to see DP & DS etc, DP suggested Friday & MIL said she was unavailable any other day but Saturday, DP then contacted work & asked to swap his shift so he would be free Saturday to see his mom, he tells his mom he can do Saturday, she says that’s fine, then FIL messages DP & says it will have to be in the evening as he has things to do in the morning, DP says “no problem half 6 okay?” FIL says yes. 6pm comes & DP tells both MIL & FIL he’ll set out soon so we’ll be there for half 6, FIL then replies back ‘we’ve only just got to your nans, we’ll tell you once we’re back to start out’. DP waits despite being mildly annoyed they’ve changed their plans with us yet again (they do this A LOT), gets to 8pm & he messages both MIL & FIL asking “how long will you be? Would it be best to do it another day?” No response from MIL but FIL writes back “I don’t know son, call your mom and stop rushing us” at this point I was annoyed too given DS would be ready to go to bed soon & we were sick of waiting around, DP calls his mom, soon as she answers she says “son I’ll have to call you back I’m just booking something right now” DP says “dads just told me to phone you, what’s going on?” She says “son you’ll just have to wait” so I jump in (admittedly maybe I shouldn’t of) & said “we HAVE been waiting for nearly 2 hours now, we just want to know should we leave it & schedule another day when your ACTUALLY free?” she blows up & tells me quote “I suggest you drop the attitude mrs”, then proceeds to go on to say we can either wait till they are home or stuff it cause we can’t ‘dictate’ when they should be home, I responded “but you seem to forget we had already made plans, if you knew you weren’t going to be home at half 6 you should of told us that before your son took the night off work to visit you at YOUR request” she then goes on to say to DP “son tell the dog to stop barking back”, I’m not going to lie I snapped, lost my temper & said she was being incredibly awkward & unreliable, I pointed out that she has done this multiple times already & myself & DP had enough. She then tried gaslighting DP into thinking it was HIS fault??? She said “I’m telling you there is no issues our end, the issues seem to be on your end, its you that’s being awkward” when THEY were the ones that had gone out when they KNEW we had planned to visit at that time meanwhile we were the ones at home waiting for them to give us the all clear to set out. I said “how is the issue on our end? Our schedule is clear, we’re still home, we’re the ones waiting on YOU.” Then she kept repeating the same phrase to DP along the lines of “keep your dog quiet, put a muzzle on it, tell your dog to stop barking, tell your dog to shut up” blatantly ignoring anything I had to say because she refuses to admit she’s wrong, whenever I tried to get a word in she kept attempting to shush me because I wasn’t letting her gaslight DP into thinking he was at fault. DP isn’t the most confrontational, specially when it comes to his mom, he’s learnt it’s either her way or the high way, she can never be wrong & will argue for hours till eventually DP gets sick of hearing it so he’ll just take the blame to essentially just shut her up (even when he knows she’s wrong). Iv seen this happen a lot over the years even before DS was born & I was refusing to let that happen this time, I wasn’t going to pacify & pander to her like everyone els does & because of that she then hung up & hasn’t said anything since. I’m just wondering if I’m being unreasonable if I chose to cut her off but continue to let DP have a relationship with her if he wants to? (As of right now he wants nothing to do with her but that may change given it is his mother). Can the relationship between DP & myself work if I separate myself from his family? Has anyone els been in a similar situation & managed to come back from it & reconcile? Any advice would be highly appreciated.

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Comtesse · 18/12/2023 14:24

Tell your dog to stop barking? Holy moly I would have blown my top about that - how incredibly rude.

They sound complete wasters - wouldn’t fight too hard to keep them in my life.

Lizzieregina · 18/12/2023 14:29

She would be happy never to see me again as I’d like to slap her upside the head! There’s no way I’d ever have anything to do with someone who essentially referred to me as a dog. Never.

Lammveg · 18/12/2023 14:32

She's sounds unhinged.

I don't think you're wrong AT ALL to distance yourself. I would hope your DP also distances himself given the absolute bat shit stuff she's come out with, but that decision needs to come from him, and I think you're right to let him decide what his relationship with his mum will look like going forwards.

seagull82 · 18/12/2023 14:34

Well she sounds lovely! Don't have her in your life.. grey rock them both.
I feel sorry for your husband, he's probably been dealing with this his entire life but hopefully he sees sense.

forrestgreen · 18/12/2023 14:35

I'd have warned her the first time she came out with the dog comment and hung up on her the second time

You let her go on until she cut the call, take back control.

If you want to meet, meet at a cafe you both like. Set clear times, meet at 2, we'll order at 2:15. And order, eat and then leave. Stop ringing her and chasing after her, she's enjoying that power play.

Don't meet at their house, it gives them power to not be in, invite to yours at 2pm but stress you'll be leaving at 4. And do it, no messages no chasing.

Also you do t have to be dramatic, I can see how angry you are at the way she's behaving, but she won't change so you have to adapt how you see her.

Let dp message and send her cards etc, I wouldn't sort anything for a person who spoke to me like that.

But if dp wants to see her, agree but put the above into place-together.

Stress101 · 18/12/2023 14:38

What an absolute c*. I would have called around to her house and probably got arrested for attacking her if I was referred to as a dog. You and DP need to stick together and go NC. She is absolutely disgusting and vile.

Bookworm1111 · 18/12/2023 14:44

If my MIL called me a dog there would be no going back from that, so no, YANBU to go NC. But your DP needs to as well, for the sake of your relationship. There's no way I'd respect my DP for pandering to anyone who insulted me like that and if he continues to see them it will chip away at you.

Theunamedcat · 18/12/2023 14:44

What was you husbands response to her dog comments? Because I wouod be unhappy with him also if he said nothing

But yes stop seeing her and keep your child away from her if you can from personal experience it tends to be taken out on the children or on you via the children

OrigamiOwl · 18/12/2023 14:46

The second I got compared to a dog would be the exact second I cut contact.
Stop chasing after her. Stop putting yourself out.
Your partner can entertain her if he wishes but you don't need to any more. He can meet her somewhere neutral and if they don't turn up give her a few minutes then leave. She knows you'll both wait and chase around after her and enjoys the power.

Bonnie3944 · 18/12/2023 14:52

DP tried to but in when he could get a word in hedge ways between us & he said “don’t talk to her like that” & she seemed taken back by it for a second but then proceeded to say it over & over again.
I had thought about cutting contact for DS too as you said as I do worry she’ll take out how she feels towards me on him. DP & I agree we’ll keep him away from her.

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SadKenny · 18/12/2023 14:55

She'd never be permitted to step foot in my house again.

ChaToilLeam · 18/12/2023 14:56

YWNBU to have nothing more to do with her whatsoever. Whatever is wrong with her - with both of them actually, MIL and FIL - is not in your power to fix.

AppleChristsBirthdayMacchiato · 18/12/2023 15:02

Tell her she's banned from seeing your DC until she apologises, and if she doesn't apologise then block her on everything.

HectorPlasm · 18/12/2023 15:02

If someone called me a dog, I'd go and shit on their doorstep

LittleOwl153 · 18/12/2023 15:05

You both need to learn you can hang up the phone... you don't need to wait on someone else doing that.

An noo e who called me a dog would ever see me or my children again and I would be very unhappy if my husband/partner saw them again either. It would likely kill the relationship.

Parentalalienation · 18/12/2023 15:08

She sounds truly awful. It's all got to be about her, so much of that seems designed to make her the centre of attention. I'm not sure if her husband is as bad or is under the thumb!
I'm glad your partner stood up for you or at least tried to, you'll need to present a united front if she ups the game playing and tries to come between you.

Tinkerbyebye · 18/12/2023 15:13

Well after the first dog comment the phone would have gone down

so You are right to have nothing to do with either in-laws. And no my child would not either

dp can make his own mind up

block them off everything so the only contact they can make is with your dp

Bonnie3944 · 18/12/2023 15:14

FIL seems very much under the thumb & almost scared of her. For example, we had a falling out last year & went no contact but FIL still wanted to see DP & DS, he would come to visit but had to hide it from MIL, he would say things like ‘your mom doesn’t know I’m here, don’t post anything on Facebook like pictures cause your mom thinks I’m somewhere else” etc & eventually she did find out he had been visiting, they split up for about 2 months & FIL stopped seeing us.

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BethDuttonsTwin · 18/12/2023 15:17

YANBU. However I do think making close family members wait a week to meet their grand child/neice/nephew kind of sucks tbh.

ManateeFair · 18/12/2023 15:17

she was unhappy to hear I was pregnant, refused to look at the scan photo, she claimed I had ‘planned’ our pregnancy announcement deliberately on the week of her birthday to ‘steal her thunder’, then told me I was uninvited from her birthday dinner. went no contact up until I gave birth

I mean, that's the point at which I'd have told her to fuck off, without all the other nonsense that followed

ManateeFair · 18/12/2023 15:21

BethDuttonsTwin · 18/12/2023 15:17

YANBU. However I do think making close family members wait a week to meet their grand child/neice/nephew kind of sucks tbh.

Did you miss the part where the close family members in question were angry that the OP was pregnant, accused of her getting pregnant just to upset MIL, and then refused to speak to her until the baby was born? Because if someone had treated me like that I wouldn't want them anywhere near me when I'd just given birth. OP is a human being, not a brood mare.

blacksax · 18/12/2023 15:22

Well that would be the absolute last straw for me.

I wouldn't want to set eyes on her again as long as I live, and she'd have kissed goodbye to ever seeing her grandchild.

And if DP is so fucking spineless that he won't stand up for you against this toxic tirade, I'd be considering whether to dump him as well.

NaughtybutNice77 · 18/12/2023 15:24

I get the distinct impression you've spent years trying to accomodate this selfish pair, that their gaslighting has almost worked. I'd guess it was the dog insult that brought you back to reality. I'm not even going to read all these responses. Your ILs (yes, passive FIL too) are so obviously out of order I can't comprehend why you felt the need to even question it. If you need a reality check...yes they're unreasonable, yes it's perfectly normal to disengage (no contact) from this type of behaviour.

Write down a little list of their expected predicted behaviour. That way you can play narcissist bingo and cross them off as they arise. Start with a phone call from a 'neutral relative' (after she's told a pack of lies) or maybe a pic of the grandchildren on FB saying how her heart bleeds that they won't get to see their adoring nana. Extra points if she posts Family are my everything or a meme about being stabbed in the back.
Take any gifts back and get refunds if possible. 3 hits from your list and you get to treat yourself with their gift money.

Nicole1111 · 18/12/2023 15:36

Without a doubt cut them off. Explain to your partner that you’ve tried your hardest but you will not be disrespected in that way and you won’t allow your child to spend time with someone who can talk about their mother in that way. Explain you’re happy for him to do as he wishes in regard to the relationship but it’s time that you put a boundary in and you don’t have the complication of feelings of obligation etc that he’s likely to have so it will make it easier for you.

GabriellaMontez · 18/12/2023 15:41

Why did your dp let them in when you'd explicitly asked them not to come?

Why did no one hang up after the first dog comment?

I wouldn't have anything to do with her. I wouldn't expect my husband to listen to that.

I'm afraid you have both a MIL and a dp problem.