Teaching Assistants excluded from class Christmas present

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Class representative organised the traditional Christmas whip-round to buy vouchers for the teacher with a % given to the rest of the school staff community to save teachers/staff being inundated with lots of gifts. This year they have announced that the 2 TAs in the class will not be included in the voucher gifting because they only work with 2 SEN children and not the rest of the class. AIBU in thinking this is a bit mean? Nobody has to take part of course but I feel rather uncomfortable about the whole situation.

@KeepGoingThomas 100 percent. There was not a school in the area that could meet her needs ( the local authority was the one to admit she fell down a gap ) fully funded ehcp is defo a thing. She now has a 1-1 that is hers and not attached to the school as such which means she is always used appropriately.

A fully funded ehcp is not what you think it is.

well you can keep saying it isn’t correct when it is 100 percent. We have a very solid ehcp and funding that means the 1-1 can travel between school and home when needed.
she not remotely paid for by the school, the laptop and all her other stuff is funded by the LA. The school don’t receive any additional tip up funded for her mind though.

@AnneValentine I think I know what she receives 😂 after the countless meetings and fights.

They are exactly what I think they are. EHCPs can be fully funded. As I said, LAs won’t do it unless forced, but they can and are sometimes.

In my experience the TAs are often helping other children and not just focused on the SEN children they may - or may not - be officially there for. Also, by helping the SEN children they make the classroom environment work for all the kids. Plus, our first 2 TAs in Reception/Yr 1 were ton better than the teachers. The Yr1 TA completely carried a hopeless teacher. So I feel we often underestimate the importance of their presence and genuinely wonder why their pay and conditions are often crap

Again - it is not.

This is quite literally my career. There is no way the school isn’t getting funding for her. She sets foot in that school and she’s costing them money. Unless you’re saying you get direct payments. Either way local authorities don’t employ TA’s to work in schools in the way that you’re describing and schools don’t get named on an ehcp at no cost to themselves.

@Pinkfluff76 is quite welcome to my child's "perks". Take the EHCP the blue badge the DLA. Take the f.uckin.g lot. But You get to take all the s tress that comes with living with a disability too. Sound fair? Nah! Thought not. Wouldn't last five minutes for all your gob!

I didn’t say they cannot be fully funded. I said they aren’t what you think they are.

@AnneValentine I said additional top up funding they don’t get

and I can 100 percent tell you they do pay directly for her 1-1 and the school does not.
so keep claiming it’s your job but I know exactly what happens with my own DD.
the local authority pay an agency directly for her 1-1. Her 1-1 is with my DD when in school or at home.
when In school she is with her from 9-3.30 and when at home she is with her 12.30-3.30 she is not employed or paid for by her school.
Daughter did not have a school placement when this was decided as no school in the borough accepted they could meet her needs after leaving her original school.
Maybe you haven’t come across a situation like ours but or work for a different local authority but stop telling me I am incorrect about my OWN daughter

So now you’re moving away from your original statement - and actually everything you’re saying now is completely irrelevant to the original post.

What are you talking about I have not changed anything ????
no idea what your even talking about now.
they fund her 1-1 - the school does not.
she is not employed by the school and the school pay nothing towards her. They also receive no top up funding for her.

They are exactly what I think are.

LAs do sometimes employ TAs directly. Normally when the DC can’t attend school full time and the TA works across school, home and hospital.

@KeepGoingThomas yes that’s is exactly correct.
prior to having this arrangement and the whole school got funding but had to employ someone , never worked as they kept in house TA and labelled her a 1-1 but DD was left in dangerous situations and then without an education.
that is when it was decided that when we moved schools that the schools would not be the ones the employ the 1-1 of allocate so she arrived at the school with her own 1-1.

And you think that means they have no costs? The ehcp requires them to provide the entire contents of section F. They’re required to carry out annual reviews - at a minimum - all of it. So unless there is no funding going to them to cover all that there is a cost. But regardless. This is irrelevant and is distracting from the point of the thread.

That’s a PA not a TA. And is separate from the point re fully funded ehcp’s.

I will also say to you what I said to the other poster - this has absolutely nothing to do with the thread. The significant majority of TA’s working in a classroom are employed by the school and even when 1:1 will be contributing to the entire running of the class. They are invaluable and should be included. This sidetrack is not helpful.

her ehcp section F is covered by her 1-1 her therapy sessions are also funded by the LA tri borough services.
her laptop, specialist chair, her clicker programme all via the LA :) they even pay for an extra 1 hour 1-1 a week so she can attend and after school club of her choosing.

No, it is not a PA. It is a TA and in F in all the cases I have supported parents with. PA is a term generally used by social care. TAs are educational.

I didn’t say it wasn’t separate or the point of fully funded EHCPs, I was responding to you saying it doesn’t happen, when it does.

No, it isn’t directly related to the OP, but you are the one posting incorrect information which people are responding to.

Ours is a TA not a PA we have a Seperate PA for 50 hours a week on top of the TA.

I haven’t posted anything but I am not discussing this further. All I can assure you is if there is no funding going to the school she is absolutely costing them money and you’re naive to think otherwise.

I haven’t posted anything

except the multiple posts you have posted.

Incorrect. Missing word. 🙄

You have posted incorrect information.

No I have not. You are making vague generalisations. If your child has a placed at a school named in section I then that school is required to provide what’s in section F. If the LA is funding a 1:1 that’a providing things outside of section F they’ve expanded the remit beyond that of a TA. If, as you say, that the school is receiving no funding then it is also not a fully funded EHCP. The school will be taking a hit cost wise.

I responded to the information that was available and there is nothing I’ve said that is incorrect. Not one thing.

What’s your point?