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Blackpool nurses jailed

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CeeChynaa · 15/12/2023 12:12

Has anyone else seen this?

Two nurses were sedating stroke patients to an ‘inch of their life’ so that they could have peaceful shifts. The conversation between them on Whatsapp is scary! Crazy to think that people like this are working in healthcare and are surrounded by vulnerable people.

I don’t know much about sentencing but a 3 year sentence which one of them received is barely anything. After 1.5 years they’ll be back out on the streets.

Link below if anyone is interested.
https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2023-12-14/nurse-who-drugging-patients-jailed

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puncheur · 15/12/2023 21:01

jemenfous37 · 15/12/2023 19:51

@puncheur No danger to the public. Unless of course you are ill and vulnerable.
What a stupid statement. Of course they are dangerous

You really think they will ever get jobs in healthcare again? Seriously?

jemenfous37 · 15/12/2023 21:05

@puncheur It has happened.

sprigatito · 15/12/2023 21:08

@puncheur these people have proven that they have no respect for other people, no compassion for the vulnerable and no fear of causing harm (and potentially death)

They may not work in healthcare again, but there are plenty of low-paid jobs that give people access to the vulnerable, and plenty of other ways in which they could gain said access if they wanted to, to children or the sick and elderly.

I'm generally against prison for most crimes, I think incarceration is over-used for offenders who don't pose a risk to others...but these creatures absolutely belong behind bars.

bellac11 · 15/12/2023 21:12

puncheur · 15/12/2023 17:11

Can you explain how exactly they will be a danger to the public on release? It’s not like they’ll ever work in healthcare again.

Their behaviour was psychopathic, that makes them pretty dangerous.

I know there is probably a desire to play this down because they're women but they are dangerous cruel women so I dont think it should be down played.

Ifailed · 15/12/2023 21:18

Can you explain how exactly they will be a danger to the public on release? It’s not like they’ll ever work in healthcare again

Murderous intent.

puncheur · 15/12/2023 21:36

Ifailed · 15/12/2023 21:18

Can you explain how exactly they will be a danger to the public on release? It’s not like they’ll ever work in healthcare again

Murderous intent.

If there had been murderous intent they would have been charged and convicted of attempted murder.

They were highly dangerous individuals in the context of being healthcare professionals. They are no longer healthcare professionals and will no longer have access to vulnerable victims, nor access to the means to harm them.

bellac11 · 15/12/2023 21:45

Charges are quite complex actually, the CPS dont always go for the higher charge so you cant necessarily read anything into that.

If you're naive to think that they are loving and kind individuals outside of this event then theres not much other people can say.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 15/12/2023 21:48

rosyglowcondition · 15/12/2023 20:00

I've been a nurse in many different areas for over 20 years and I've never ever come across anything even remotely like this. Or heard of talk like this. This is totally horrendous, but rare.

I agree. I work in the NHS and I've seen a lot of shitty care, staff who just can't be arsed, staff who don't care about their patients...but I have never EVER encountered anything like this.

girlfriend44 · 15/12/2023 21:55

Disgusting, would they.like it done to.their parents?
Thick as well texting each other.

puncheur · 15/12/2023 21:56

@bellac11 who has claimed that they are loving and kind individuals?

WashItTomorrow · 15/12/2023 21:56

puncheur · 15/12/2023 21:01

You really think they will ever get jobs in healthcare again? Seriously?

They could get jobs in social care, where people can be even more vulnerable and ill.

Itrymybestyesido · 15/12/2023 21:58

puncheur · 15/12/2023 13:56

"Back out on the streets" makes it sound like they are predatory criminals who will be a danger to the public as soon as they are released. There's absolutely no evidence of that.

Bonkers comment. Would you let these people near your family in any capacity?

Atethehalloweenchocs · 15/12/2023 22:04

There have always been nurses like this. In psych, if you go into a ward and it is freezing, it is because the staff are trying to get the patients to stay in bed.

TheCatterall · 15/12/2023 22:05

My son has been sectioned in there and now moved to The Harbour which has its own illustrious records. The practice of over medicating patients and stealing medication is rife within the nhs (I’ve worked in it as well) and the mental health wards often have all sorts of drugs being brought in by patients and their visitors. It’s a shambles and needs a massive overhaul on all sides.

puncheur · 15/12/2023 22:14

WashItTomorrow · 15/12/2023 21:56

They could get jobs in social care, where people can be even more vulnerable and ill.

Of course they could never get jobs in social care. Have you heard of DBS checks?

NannyGythaOgg · 15/12/2023 22:17

WashItTomorrow · 15/12/2023 21:56

They could get jobs in social care, where people can be even more vulnerable and ill.

No the won't and can't.

These convictions will bw on their DBS reports forever, which will preclude them from any social care jobs with adults or children

Changeofnameforthis23 · 15/12/2023 22:43

Obvious name change.

We had a very close family friend admitted to this exact stroke ward at the time of the druggings. My mother was her friend's next of kin, as the friend had no family and she was in hospital for over three weeks. I'll call her Andi.

Andi was extremely vulnerable, she'd struggled with her mental health and being hard of hearing left her with a speech impediment which made it difficult for her to always be understood. She'd faced a lifetime of abandonment, isolation and sadness but, we welcomed her into our family and she was happy and loved. She was in her 60s.

Most of the staff, including a friend of mine who worked there were great.

But quite quickly, concerns emerged. We were Andi's only visitors, only advocate.
Initially, Andi was having to shout to be heard as no one was coming near her, she was being left in her own urine, she wasn't getting fed.

She was labelled as a "little bugger" and an attention seeker by one member of staff. As night time meds were brought round she joked "I think we'll need to give you a little something extra to sedate you so you'll not be shouting all night!" and she'd loudly say "I can't understand a word you are saying Andi" without even attempting to listen. You got the sense her and her bubbly mate loved to take the piss. And Andi of course had a vulnerability and was one of the "weakest" so no doubt bore the brunt of many of the jokes.

Not surprisingly now, the next night we visited her, Andi was totally out of it. Snoring loudly, impossible to rouse, had missed her meals, she'd hear our voices and try and open her eyes and lift her head from the pillow but her eyes would roll back in her head and she just couldn't wake.

My mother sat with her anyway, holding her hand for the next couple of nights.

She'd call for an update as, being a nurse herself, she was concerned that Andi was dying.

One of the nurses had a go, asked why she was next of kin when she wasn't family...was very hurtful. It was over the phone so we'll never know who it was.

The next night when we went to visit Andi, and I think took clean pyjamas and a teddy for her my mother was brought to tears by how she was treated by the pompous bitch of a nurse when she was signing the visitors book. She treated US with suspicion. Told us there was no point in visiting when she didn't know we were there. My mother said she couldn't in good faith abandon her friend and leave her without visitors, we were all the family she had and as a retired nurse and a Christian she felt her conscience was telling her to be there.

I'll never forget how bizarrely talked down to we were...targeted...for visiting a friend. I know now...as all three of us are healthcare professionals, and good at our jobs, that it was because we'd already raised concerns about Andi missing meals,
being difficult to rouse and uncommunicative.

That night we received a call from a HCA to say Andi was on end of life care.

Her admission had not been expected to be life threatening. That first night, she'd shown no signs of a major stroke. As nurses we knew exactly what to look for.
We were advised not to visit as she wouldn't know whether we were there or not...she was just "sleeping peacefully in a side room".

Three nights later, we received a phonecall and expected the worst but it was a doctor calling to say Andi had been taken off end of life care and that things were actually looking pretty good...she'd been reviewed and it wasn't felt that end of life care was appropriate.

I told my friend, who worked in the stroke unit, but not on Andi's ward.

"Oh that's great news! At least we've got some good news coming off that ward, there's all sorts of things going on but we're not allowed to talk about it."

The next day, we turned on the news and heard about the staff being suspended and a criminal investigation.

And Andi...miraculously...was back to her normal, bright, chatty, communicative self.

Co-incidence?

Andi got home but was never the same after her ordeal. A few months later, she went to sleep and didn't wake up. At least she died safe and happy in her own bed, knowing she was loved.

I've read the whatsapps. I can't help but wonder, in fact I strongly suspect, are some about Andi? She was sedated "within an inch of her life". She wasn't quiet initially and it was obvious she got on at least one of those women's nerves.

It's very difficult to read.

I hope they won't ever have a caring role again.

Blackpool Vic is an awful place, truly terrifying and I say that having decades of family members having worked there.

And this case isn't even the worst.

Poor Valerie Kneale died as a result of a sexual assault whilst being cared for at the Vic and her perpetrator has not been caught.

We try to avoid the Vic. I'm considering moving so that it's no longer our local hospital. I wouldn't trust them with my worst enemy.

CeeChynaa · 15/12/2023 22:54

@puncheur why are you going out of your way to go back and forth with posters over their opinion on this case? Are either one of these women a family member of yours?

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OwlWeiwei · 15/12/2023 23:05

Simonsaidno · 15/12/2023 13:54

So 5 nurses from one place have gone to jail as a result of the students whistle blowing- out of how many nurses I wonder? It’s disgusting, but the worst thing is that it isn’t all that surprising.

But that's exactly what they are. They are cruel, selfish people with no compassion who amused themselves by drugging unsuspecting very vulnerable patients. I wouldn't trust them at all.

stepintochristmas1 · 16/12/2023 04:10

There are very few people who I would take a pill from and swallow it , one of those few people is a nurse . This was a massive breach of trust and is hideous .

WandaWonder · 16/12/2023 04:18

They should of got that sentence for each crime but attempted murder

mathanxiety · 16/12/2023 05:17

puncheur · 15/12/2023 13:56

"Back out on the streets" makes it sound like they are predatory criminals who will be a danger to the public as soon as they are released. There's absolutely no evidence of that.

They absolutely are predators, and thieves.

Their sentences were a joke.

mathanxiety · 16/12/2023 05:26

puncheur · 15/12/2023 21:01

You really think they will ever get jobs in healthcare again? Seriously?

Why do you think they wouldn't? Have they been stricken from the professional rolls?

GarlicMaybeNot · 16/12/2023 05:44

CranfordScones · 15/12/2023 15:00

It makes me wonder how common this is elsewhere.

Blackpool Victoria Hospital isn't exactly famed for its good news stories. That's not the only police/official investigation.
More details here.
And here
And here.
And here.
The only slightly good thing to emerge is a positive outcome from whistleblowing.

Edited

Just read the links. It's horrific! A stroke patient was raped to death on that ward!

There very probably are other wards as bad as this - they make the news from time to time - but, from observers' comments each time, it's individual wards with a particularly toxic culture.

It's evident that such wards are known to others within the hospital, so there needs to be a more resilient reporting procedure. The others should be able to raise their concerns with senior staff, and have them taken seriously.

mrschocolatte · 16/12/2023 05:49

mathanxiety · 16/12/2023 05:26

Why do you think they wouldn't? Have they been stricken from the professional rolls?

People with convictions like this would probably end up on the DBS barred lists. You can’t employ someone in health and social care that is on the barred list.