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To quit my job as a Speech and Language Therapist after only 2 months?

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Killerpinkflamingo · 12/12/2023 18:44

I’m almost 40 and went back to uni a few years ago to retrain as a Speech and Language Therapist. I did really well on the course and got a Distinction, but I really didn’t enjoy any of my placements. I regularly questioned whether the career was for me. The only placement I enjoyed is a very niche area (Transgender voice) which is very difficult to get a job in, and extremely unlikely as a Band 5 Newly Qualified.

It took me months to find a job near to me when I qualified, and finally I accepted a job in a stroke rehab unit. I started in October, and I’ve hated it from the off. I just don’t like any of it. I don’t like the environment, I don’t like the therapy, and I feel hideously anxious all the time. It just all feels wrong. It’s making me so miserable. I didn’t have any hospital placements during my degree (I think a mixture of being unlucky and also less placement opportunities due to covid) so I wasn’t prepared - I just don’t think the environment is for me at all.

While I was waiting for this job to start, I temped for a while in a customer service job. I loved that job - I felt confident in what I was doing, the people were nice, I just felt happy there. I was actually very sad to leave. Now I can’t stop thinking about contacting them and asking if I could go back.

The only thing that’s stopping me is that I feel like such a failure. Who does all that training and then quits their first newly qualified job after just 2 months?! But I feel so desperately unhappy and it’s impacting all aspects of my life. AIBU to quit?

OP posts:
Leafysuburb · 14/12/2023 19:48

I think it takes 4-6 months to settle into a new job. I'd give it a few more months and then decide.

PermanentTemporary · 14/12/2023 20:45

Don't panic! I'm going to message you, but really you need to find a helpful band 6 to have a chat with, and at least one other band 5. I was really not very knowledgeable when I started and somehow I made it through! You don't have to stay in stroke but it doesn't have to be this bad.

peppermintcrisp · 14/12/2023 21:08

I have have worked in a brain injury unit and was always in awe of the SALT team. It is hard and stressful, if you have experience, so I can understand how you are feeling, newly qualified.

If you don't have the support I would definitely look for another post. Sorry you are having a hard time at the moment.

peppermintcrisp · 14/12/2023 21:09

I think it takes 4-6 months to settle into a new job. I'd give it a few more months and then decide.

If OP doesn't have enough support this is not a good idea.

gavisconismyfriend · 14/12/2023 21:27

@KaiserChefs private practice is fine later on but you can’t start your own independent practice as an SLT until you’ve got your NQP competencies signed off which takes a year to 18 months from when you start working.

PlashyFen · 15/12/2023 14:01

NC for this.

I would agree with you, Killerpinkflamingo, that a big part of the problem is that you were sheltered from the reality of life as an SLT by having most of your placements in your Uni clinic. As you have discovered, it is nothing like the real world. You are not the first NQT SLT to need some time to get over the shock to your system and acclimatise.

This is going to sound a bit, "We lived in a paper bag in a hole in the road, ate grit for breakfast and our dad beat us with a stair rod" but I am saying it to illustrate that it can be far worse and yet still possible to survive and even actually enjoy a "challenging" first job that was not at all what was expected.

It took me a year to find my first SLT job because I wanted to work with adults and even split Adults/Paeds jobs were rare as hen's teeth. When I finally found a job advertised as "Adults" I had to move to a town where I knew no one. I found a place to stay in a street that seemed quiet and suburban but turned out to be occupied mainly by men who had recently left prison or the local psychiatric hospital. I was warned not to leave windows unlocked because of burglars and mad men climbing up drainpipes to get in.

My bedroom looked out on the house next door, a B&B for Irish lorry-drivers who stayed up all night drinking, singing, playing the accordion and fighting.

On my first day at work I was driven around a huge rural area where there had not been any SLT cover for six years and was shown all the villages, clinics and schools I was to cover. In two places I was told that there was no base for me to work because there had never been any SLT, that I would have to make enquiries to find free premises to run a clinic, maybe at a GP Surgery, Church Hall or "just ask around".

When I queried that this was supposed to be an "Adults Job" I was told, "We lied to you. We advertised it for two years as Community Paediatrics and no one applied, so we lied. Remind us now and again that you'd like some adult work and we'll find something for you."

When I reminded them after 6 months they said, "We haven't forgotten!" When I asked again after a year they said, "We thought you'd be happy to tick-along for at least a couple of years!" When I insisted, they found me a psychiatric hospital to cover where there had never been any SaLT, which was interesting. I also started to look for a new job.

There were no staff meetings and no planned supervision.

The only thing that actually terrified me was that, like you, I didn't know where to start with individual patients. A woman who I had trained with, who had had a job lined up months before we qualified, told me,

"Just assess like crazy and write up your notes very thoroughly - it will all come back to you and start to make sense".

That worked, so I recommend trying it.

Also try to make the most of whatever opportunities there are to enjoy the day. I timed my car journey between locations to coincide with radio programmes that I liked to listen to and scheduled visits to coincide with market days so I could nip out for a few minutes at lunch time to browse the stalls.

If you are stuck in a hospital, seek out places indoors and outdoors where you can sit quietly with a book, listen to music, sew, whatever, or just pay attention to the sounds around you and feel the movement of air on your face and body. If you prefer to remain "in work mode", practice transcribing into IPA or anything that takes your mind off actual work.

In my next job I ran an evening clinic one day a week after working a normal day. To make sure that I stopped between sessions, I used the hour before the start of the evening session to teach myself how to juggle and play the harmonica - not at the same time :-) Be creative and take back control in whatever way you can.

On the clinical side, you will do yourself and your patients a great favour if you stop thinking of "Stroke Rehab" and "Voice" as completely separate categories. The fact that you do is not your fault, it is an artefact of the way subjects are taught and the way jobs are funded, which reflect medical specialisms. It does not reflect the needs of all patients or the skills and knowledge that you have at your disposal to help them achieve their potential.

When you see a new patient try to think of a Venn Diagram where what you think of as "Voice work" overlaps with how they might improve communication. This is often easier with dysarthria so start there.

Definitely ask for at least one session with Voice work. I would also recommend getting a session with bog-standard paediatrics if you can. A little bit of work with children can be a respite from adult work and really uplifting.

I loved voice work so I understand the attraction.

I also did a bit of work with some male transgender patients. However, I would now give them a wide berth. It is a controversial specialty from a feminist perspective and WPATH SOC8 reflects a disturbing ideological shift and breaks away from previous editions in key aspects.

IMHO SOC8 is incompatible with HCPC Standards, eg.the inclusion of "Eunuchs" as a "gender identity" with live-links in the SOC document to a Eunuch fetish website and forum that includes child-abuse fantasies of rape, torture, castration, "forced feminisation" and murder.

You also need a strong stomach if you venture down the Autogynephilia rabbit-hole. For a taster of what to expect, see https://www.transwidowsvoices.org/ and several Mumsnet threads for the "Transwidows Escape Committee"

https://www.mumsnet.com/search?query=Trans+Widows+Escape+Committee&date=all

That aside, to echo what others have said:

NEVER work as an SLT for free or by pretending to do something else

NEVER work with voice patients without an ENT referral

NEVER work with transgender patients unless as part of a MDT

IMHO the most valuable input an SLT could currently have to trans patients is attempting to mitigate the harm to females who take testosterone in terms of their vocal anatomy.

If you are of a pioneering bent then, looking to the future, the NHS is eventually going to have to address the needs of the growing ranks of detransitioners, most of whom will be female. Those whose larynges have been permanently damaged by testosterone will have a different clinical presentation and different intervention needs to men who wish to "pass" as women.

Detransitioners are often reluctant to return to the MDTs that facilitated their transition. If this is recognised by Commissioners then it is possible that provision will have to be made within general Voice Therapy services rather than specialist trans/gender dysphoria services.

Some relevant resources that you will not find referenced by RCSLT, given that the current Chair is a member of WPATH:

Suing Over Medical Transition: The Case Against Considering WPATH as a Competent, Reasonable Body of Expert Opinion
https://genspect.org/suing-over-medical-transition-the-case-against-considering-wpath-as-a-competent-reasonable-body-of-expert-opinion/

SEGM (Society for Evidence-based Gender Medicine)
https://segm.org/

CAN-SG (Clinical Advisory Network on Sex and Gender)
https://can-sg.org/

Thoughtful Therapists
https://thoughtfultherapists.org/

Critical Therapy Antidote
https://criticaltherapyantidote.org/

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spectrelector · 16/12/2023 07:04

KaiserChefs · 14/12/2023 18:55

Why don't you just set up separately as an independent SALT specialising in something that makes you happy? You could help so many more people and cut out all the slosh you don't like. The criteria/threshold to access SALT for anything on the NHS is ridiculous, I'd love to pay a SALT to work face-to-face with my child with a speech delay who doesn't quite meet the threshold for NHS, but I can't find one as all the independents around here are fully booked too.

Edited

This is really bad advice for an NQP who doesn't have her competencies or experience to work solo with no support or NHS governance.

spectrelector · 16/12/2023 07:12

OP, you sound like you've lost your confidence and really need some support, more than you are being given. I'd hate it too if I never had any idea what I was doing and felt stupid all the time. I heavily support our band 5s (more than management likes!) because I know if I do, they fly and feel confidant.

In the first instance, I would book a 1:1 with your B7 and really tell her what you've said here. Say you're overwhelmed, under confidant, really struggling and considering leaving the profession. They will be shocked and should put a plan together of joint working, CPD and supervised practice. It probably won't take a lot for things to start clicking.

In the short term, working with communication when doing an ax. Start broad - a really good screen of all areas or comprehension, expression, speech etc will really help you narrow down which bit of aphasia / dysarthria etc you need to ax more formally. Then draw up a list of all possible assessments you could use - comprehension (TROG, CAT etc), naming difficulties (BNT, CAT), dysarthria (Robertson) - caveat - I've not done communication in years now so these are probably out of date but you get the picture! Broad assessment, narrow assessment, list the impairments and therapy on the most significant or the most distressing for the patient.

Please, please, please book a meeting and discuss this properly, don't rely on ward based moments to pin them down!

oneanddonemaybe · 29/03/2024 15:49

I started a thread called 'regret ever training as a speech and language therapist'. I did the course because as a 18 year old I thought i wanted to be in a caring profession and thought it was decent money 😂i guess anything above 22k sounds good to an 18 year old. I've now been doing the job 10 years. all because i didn't want all the tears and breakdowns it took to get the degree to go to waste! I've heard from lots of health workers online that now hate working in a caring patient facing role because the job has just beat them down. I can think of nothing better than working from home.
What i would say is that it sounds like its too soon for you to decide to leave yet. I think the stroke job is awful and definitely leave that as soon as you can. You say the senior SLT is 'lovely' but it doesnt sound like it if she is leaving a a newly qualified SLT to just go off and do assessments and write programmes without checking if you are comfortable to do that and if you have done it before. Did you get to shadow her at all? and did you say you had very little adult experience? this sounds like my final year placement, which i failed! I would feel sick every morning. i think i did throw up a few times. they were so harsh and cold and their motto might as well been 'every question is a stupid question'.
I took the first job i was offered because i found it so difficult to get a job and if you don't start working within 2 years you have to do a 'return to work' test or something.
Anyway, I'd say leave that job, take some time for your mental health and then only apply to jobs that interest you. Wishing you all the best x

peanutbutt · 29/03/2024 16:42

Well done with completing your studies, graduating and working clinically. I'm a nurse not a SALT but I do know it's a fantastic career for flexibility and variation.

Your mental health should come first; if it's affecting you and it's not for you, leave, take some time out and figure out what area you want to develop in. You'll always be qualified - that's the beauty of qualification's.

Assuming it's NHS, have a chat with your line manager prior to leaving, don't just leave. Discuss how you feel about your current role. You never know they may be able to provide some shadowing shifts in other specialist areas ( don't hold your breath though as it's the NHS 😂).

Good luck, just remember how far you've come x

Sailawaygirl · 29/03/2024 17:08

Depending on which uni you studied at. Some give absolutely no practical skills in working with aphasia and lectures seem to scare so many students I have, that they often brake down in tears when I ask them about aphasia ( I'm trying to be nice to them and they have worked themselves up into so much anxiety about aphasia). I don't know what has happened post covid to aphasia lectures! Basically I've had to teach all my students and NQPs aphasia as if they had never heard of it! And these are students who got or were going to get a high grade.

So if your band 7 is of an older uni generation they might not know that you don't know what your ment to know. And Stoke can be really hard because it's not as black and white as voice. You can't do the same assessment with everyone and at first it seems random when supervisor says do this assessment not that one.
Also if you work on a ward you dont get to see the big picture of pts going home and they realise what therenl true rehab goals are.

How are you doing with your NQP framework? Do you think you will be able to get signed off quickly? As a band 5 with NQP completed you would be very attractive if you wanted to apply for a different role. I'm tempted to say that community might be good and then you get to see a good mix.

Please remember lots of ppl find stroke really hard. If you can try and discuss it with someone in the team. It does sound like would benefit from more direct supervision and more regular case discuss.

For context - For my band 5s I have weekly catch ups ( as a group for extra support) and I try to be on hand for help once a day. For first month they would be shadowing me and gradually getting confidence up to work independently so by end of first month i would expect them to make a reasonable attempt at a straight forward assessment and therapy plan, be carrying out my therapy plans and joining me for more complex pts.

Also have you though about reaserch opportunities if you were good at achedemic stuff?

Sailawaygirl · 29/03/2024 17:20

Just looked at dates and that your intial OP was last year!! Sorry

How are you getting on and what did you do

ElTingo · 29/03/2024 18:59

Nc to a previous one to say I'm a B7 PT with 20 years experience-huge respect for the SALT teami work with!

It's a steep learning curve in your first job and whether you sink or swim can depend on the environment and people around you.

I would def go to your senior and say you don't feel confident. Ask for supervision and ask to see patients together.

We do the same with B6s in our team, it's how you learn.

If your B7 is always dashing off it sounds like you are poorly staffed maybe, so time for supervisions, in service training and joint sessions isn't happening. That's not a good environment for a newly qualified ahp.

If its a static job, they should particularly want to invest in you. The big difference I see with salt v physio is that there are not many of you and you often work alone. There's safety in numbers in physio, when it takes 3 people to stand someone up, so we are often working jointly.

The other side is the mdt on the ward. Knowing the nurses, ward clerks, OTs, physios doctors,cleaners etc all makes a difference and helps you feel part of the team and will carry you through those anxious moments

And if none of its right - look for another job. No job is forever!

Killerpinkflamingo · 20/04/2024 18:46

I’ve come back to this thread to give an update and just seen that more lovely people have come on to give wonderful support and advice. Thank you so, so much 😊

So, here’s my update - I have just been offered a Band 5 job in transgender voice! I am overjoyed! I didn’t even think that a band 5 role existed in this area. And it’s at the Gender Identity Clinic where I did my placement!

I am so, so happy. I am aware that this is still my first year as an NQP, and that it will be challenging - but at least now I know I am in the area I want to be in! Stroke really wasn’t for me, I struggled so much. I’m hoping that in this new role I will be able to make a proper go of SLT!

Thank you so much to everyone who came on here to give me such amazing support and advice. The past few months have been really difficult and you all helped me so much 😊

OP posts:
PermanentTemporary · 21/04/2024 08:49

@Killerpinkflamingo I am really delighted you have got your dream job and wish you all the best. Do consider writing a piece to the Bulletin one day about how you made it through.

cansu · 21/04/2024 08:56

I 5hink you just need more experience. I remember being a NQT. Looking back I was far from brilliant but now I understand that it takes time to gain that confidence.

cansu · 21/04/2024 08:57

That sounds brilliant!

Hopefulbride18 · 03/05/2024 14:30

That's amazing - just seen this great update! Enjoy your new role.

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