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Who should pay? Tenant or landlord

107 replies

MirrorBack · 11/12/2023 12:56

Windy here yesterday, not a storm but enough to be noisy and see the trees really moving around.

Tennant opened a fairly high up flat window while cooking.
Window blew open hard, hinges are bent and now it can’t be closed properly.
Window is about 2 metres, opens from the bottom, upvc and otherwise has no issues.

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Sparklesocks · 11/12/2023 13:25

MirrorBack · 11/12/2023 13:20

I’m not sure about weather warnings, but I live on the same road as the tenants (I’m a landlord so they asked me, but not their landlord).
I was tbh leaning towards negligence. I’d closed all my windows and the story seems off. Open a crack as described it looks impossible. Maybe if it was open absolutely full the wind could lift it? The window looks not old and decent.
I kind of saw why the landlord has said negligence, but was wondering other’s opinion before I answered. I said I’d think

Honestly I think things like this are just part of being a landlord. The tenant didn’t deliberately break the window or act in a way that you’d expect would break it. If your friend can’t swallow costs like this then maybe being a landlord isn’t for them.

edit: apologies I misunderstood and thought you knew the landlord, not the tenant

Tacotortoise · 11/12/2023 13:25

It will be covered by the buildings insurance. The rent should contain an amount to cover wear tear and acts of stupidity by the tenant. If the amount needed to cover "acts of stupidity" gets too high, then that's when you up the rent or lose the tenant.

Tiredbehyondbelief · 11/12/2023 13:26

Landlord. It's not unreasonable to open a window during cooking. Stormy weather isn't uncommon in the Uk

MirrorBack · 11/12/2023 13:34

It’s only £160 to replace hinges, I’m guessing below insurance amounts. The window is otherwise fine. There’s no cheeky request to claim a replacement or anything. So far just a text

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bigdecisionstomake · 11/12/2023 13:38

It is a landlord responsibility to keep the structure and security of the building intact. The landlord should only try to claim the cost back from the tenant if they can clearly demonstrate tenant has been negligent or not acted in a 'tenant like manner'.

Jacfrost · 11/12/2023 13:47

MirrorBack · 11/12/2023 13:23

They have done a lot of stupid things tbh, that they’ve moaned about. Our kids are friends and it’s not the first time she’s called me in to look.. Not reported a crack in the shower that leaked for ages. Flooded with a tap om, snapped things….Tbh they also have awful condensation and they usuallly hate opening windows, so it’s weird. The flat was decorated and a lot of work before they moved in, it’s not crappy. No idea if they’ve paid before. I don’t dislike her, but I’m glad not my tenant!

So they've got condensation and have presumably been told by the landlord to open windows...they open a window and they're negligent 😂

I'm so glad I'm not a tenant anymore.

Zanatdy · 11/12/2023 13:49

Landlord.

Gillypie23 · 11/12/2023 13:59

Landlord simples.

Whatevershallidowithmylife · 11/12/2023 14:22

Tenant should pay absolutely under the proviso there is a working extractor fan.

Orangeandgold · 11/12/2023 14:28

Landlord.

most people like to have the windows open whilst cooking because it lets the steam/smell out abit better than an extractor fan. So it’s normal conditions.

Things break - and landlords have to fix them.

MirrorBack · 11/12/2023 14:29

Whatevershallidowithmylife · 11/12/2023 14:22

Tenant should pay absolutely under the proviso there is a working extractor fan.

There are loads of fans 😂
I reckon their land Lord lost it. It’s like the tropics half the time with washing on the radiators. Hate popping in, it hits you

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saraclara · 11/12/2023 14:33

Jacfrost · 11/12/2023 13:47

So they've got condensation and have presumably been told by the landlord to open windows...they open a window and they're negligent 😂

I'm so glad I'm not a tenant anymore.

That! Sounds like the landlord wants it both ways.

BabaBarrio · 11/12/2023 14:36

Whatevershallidowithmylife · 11/12/2023 14:22

Tenant should pay absolutely under the proviso there is a working extractor fan.

This. There is no need to open a window when cooking, that is what the hood extractor fan is for. The damage occurred due to tenant negligence so they should replace the window.

BabaBarrio · 11/12/2023 14:38

MirrorBack · 11/12/2023 14:29

There are loads of fans 😂
I reckon their land Lord lost it. It’s like the tropics half the time with washing on the radiators. Hate popping in, it hits you

Washing on the radiators is also negligence. This tenant needs a crash course in how to live in a cold, damp country.

ShelleyPercy · 11/12/2023 14:41

BabaBarrio · 11/12/2023 14:36

This. There is no need to open a window when cooking, that is what the hood extractor fan is for. The damage occurred due to tenant negligence so they should replace the window.

What if the tenant simply wanted some fresh air? Is that not allowed because there is some wind (in Britain(!))
Should landlords across the country be boarding up Kitchen windows because they pose a potential risk to the landlords pocket?

BabaBarrio · 11/12/2023 14:44

ShelleyPercy · 11/12/2023 14:41

What if the tenant simply wanted some fresh air? Is that not allowed because there is some wind (in Britain(!))
Should landlords across the country be boarding up Kitchen windows because they pose a potential risk to the landlords pocket?

Most windows have a handle that you can hold on to or a latch to secure the window so it doesn’t bang open all the way. It’s a bit more than “some wind” if the wind has blown a window so forcefully the hinges have bent.

35965a · 11/12/2023 14:47

Landlord

NeverHadHaveHas · 11/12/2023 14:52

What does the tenancy agreement say on repair?

Chiar · 11/12/2023 14:56

Landlord. Things break, it's a bit silly but not bad enough to class as negligence IMO.

I wonder if this is a "straw that broke the camel's back" thing and the LL is trying to recover the money this time after paying out on other issues. So asking more because of the history than about this one thing in isolation. Not sure it's the right one to pick though, especially as they'll be shooting themselves in the foot re ventilation.

MirrorBack · 11/12/2023 14:59

NeverHadHaveHas · 11/12/2023 14:52

What does the tenancy agreement say on repair?

I haven’t seen it

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BMW6 · 11/12/2023 15:04

Landlord. Windows are supposed to be opened and its damage to the structure, so LL's asset to be repaired.

Hagpie · 11/12/2023 15:12

Yeah landlord

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 11/12/2023 15:14

Another landlord here (also been a tenant for many years), who would pay for the repairs via insurance if poss, but also be very wary if these tenants had a history of negligence to the property for which I, as landlord, had to pay the price.

MirrorBack · 11/12/2023 15:16

Chiar · 11/12/2023 14:56

Landlord. Things break, it's a bit silly but not bad enough to class as negligence IMO.

I wonder if this is a "straw that broke the camel's back" thing and the LL is trying to recover the money this time after paying out on other issues. So asking more because of the history than about this one thing in isolation. Not sure it's the right one to pick though, especially as they'll be shooting themselves in the foot re ventilation.

I think that’s probably correct. Their landlord has repaired a lot on a flat that’s recently fitted out within the last few years from the bits I’ve been told

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MirrorBack · 11/12/2023 15:18

Jogged my memory for example. The whole bathroom basin was repaired. A tap broke, that happens, but her husband ‘fixed’ it with some building glue or fixate. Dunno what, huge pile of orange hard stuff. Sink was smashed out to repair the tap

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