can we all just get over poverty sticken/mentally unstable/severely neglected (or neglectful) posh people ?

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inspired by the thread about people with money having homes that smell nice which went quickly from the realistic = good ventilation / good quality furniture / cleaners (or cleaning products) & heating to ward of damp to reminders of the smell of cat piss/dog shit
curtasy of somebody knowing somebody 'actually posh' or 'proper moneyed' who doesnt care about such things as smells cause theyre proper respectable by birth & circumstances

its also completely not normal to have a house falling down if you have money or were raised in a certain lifestyle & to be wearing clothes with holes/rips/tears because its 'lasted for years'

or to fill your house with animals & secondhand junk when you can barely afford to live or staff it.

Rant over but still annoyed about it 🤔

Yah but it’s fairly true

I went to a public school in the 90s and everybody dressed like utter tamps and I’m. It kidding hokey jumpers and fucked Oxford brogues and that was just the girls 😂

I think it is a little lazy to generalise like that. Some "posh" people will gross houses, drive old cars and wear clothes with holes in them and some will not. Same thing applies to the "unposh" masses.

Im talking more about the responses to any thread mentioning money/Upper classes descending Into a sort of anti-class anti-hygene discussion

Obviously somebody asking about a nice home smell like @localnotail Isn't talking about those sort of homes

What a strange thing to get worked up about. People with large inherited properties and capital don’t always have a lot of savings or cash flow. I lived near the countryside and have been in plenty of run down houses in otherwise ‘posh’ places my time. I am not sure why this is a drama for anyone.

What are you asking?

I think there is a difference between city and rural living here

It's called punching up. In many ways it's true because huge country houses cost a bomb to maintain so lots of posh money goes on that. But, more relevant to the thread you're referring to, people want to feel better about their circumstances - reiterating the fact that posh people's possessions can be run down, their houses dirty etc, helps that. And let's be honest, you're not allowed to say that about poor people. That's punching down.

I don’t get it?

I’m not sure what you’re annoyed about

Are you posh and clean OP?

It's a well known fact the clean houses are almost inverse to wealth, once you get to a certain level you don't need to prove anything. Washing steps weekly was something I remember from childhood living in a house straight onto the street, I've never washed my step!

I don’t think I understand your post. Even people with money can have mental health issues and not be capable of looking after your home, personal hygiene or clothing. Having money does nothing to alleviate the organisation required to combat those things when you have organisational problems and so on.

Totally agree with the post above.

No idea what your post is about but being posh doesn't protect people from mental instability.
It doesn't discriminate

That's exactly what I mean, just because somebody was successful/born
"higher up" Doesn't mean there healthy/happy/secure & alot of what's promoted as 'moneyed'/posh traits are in fact signs of neglect & mental health (either by other people or by themselves)

its not normal or desirable to live in a property that's falling apart, keeping things of no value sentimental or practical (cars that are breaking down, clothes that are worn out) & if the roles were reversed & these were the working masses people would be more judgemental & to a certain degree more concerned about their wellbeing

What annoys me is the perception that they dont care or suffer but choose to live like this as a sign of wealth or history.

Exactly what i mean alot of these 'traits' are not class or mentality but circumstance & mental health. If you actually knew these people & avoid saying anything but instead perceive it as wealth & confidence it ends up bring regurgitated as storys like 'so & so is above cleanliness/style/wastefulness because they dont need to be & its odd when most people wouldn't take that view of somebody they knew personally

I’m not sure this is true. Surely it’s just personality and preferences… My house is spotless because I like it like that, and I know people of varying incomes with varying degrees of cleanliness/ tidiness in their homes

Joining the list of people who don't get it.

I always think the posh people threads on MN are good entertainment - I don't take them too seriously.

I agree that in some cases the behaviour you refer to is pathological even when it belongs to posh people but by no means always.

If you wear jumpers with holes in to muck the ponies out in the approved MN cliche way, or even when having tea with the vicar, then those jumpers have a practical use; they're keeping you warm and decent. If your car has moss on the windowsills and more rust than paintwork but it still gets you from a-b then it has a practical use. Neither of these are signs of hoarding: whereas keeping twenty pair of jeans with holes in the crotch because you believe you might some day want to wear them to do the decorating would be a red flag for hoarding.

The idea is that someone who's always been rich won't worry that wearing/driving tatty (but functional) clothes/vehicles will mark them out as a loser who can't afford better, so they can afford to be ruthlessly pragmatic and not care about widely held but logically meaningless social rules like "thou shalt not go out of the house wearing a freshly washed white shirt with a large immovable bolognaise stain on it".

I think a great range of things - dirty house/clean house is one example - can be either a) personal choice or b) sign of mental illness or other problems. There's a wide range of normal AND a wide range of problematic, with much overlap.

The problem is humans are all biased viewers of other people, it takes real effort to not make judgements based on prejudice.

Posh people always drive old bangers with a private reg on. I mean, they would've been decent cars when they bought them new but now the plate is worth more than the car.

I love it! It's funny, cause the car thing has completely shifted. In the old days a brand new car was the sign of wealth, now anyone can have a car on lease and if anything it's actually a sign of being poor as the monthly payments wipe away a serious chunk of monthly salary!

Only if we can add in the ‘You don’t know what goes on behind closed doors” brigade, every time some seemingly happy and prosperous person or family gets brought up.

100%

What are you on about?

There is posh and then there are standards. I grew up “working class” (child of migrants) as an adult I’m apparently “middle class” and throughout my life my friends would describe me as “posh”.

I don’t have a massive house or anything like that but have a standard of living that was passed down to me. We always used perfumes. Always cleaned up after ourselves. I always buy and have handmade candles and have natural puri jotted around the house and have plants and occasional flowers from the allotment (I don’t even have a garden). And windows are always open for “fresh air” - even very slightly whilst we are out in the winter.

My friends that are more well off than me have regular cleaners but have corners or rooms in their house dedicated to “mess” - that messy storage room guests never go into but if you are a friend you know about it!