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To be upset my husband keeps lying to me

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HateLiarsButLoveMyHusband · 09/12/2023 16:01

This is long but the background is relevant.

I have been with my husband for over 20 years, married for 13, we’re both late 30’s, no kids (by choice). We have a very happy and healthy relationship which is mutually loving, supportive and respectful. We’re both very laid back and never really argue. We know each other back to front and have grown up together. He is the primary earner, I work in a low paying field and work part time due to health issues.

My husband has suspected ADHD but is on a waiting list for formal diagnosis/treatment. For him the main symptoms are time blindness, poor planning skills, massive procrastination, hyper focus/obsession on certain topics before getting bored and moving onto something else, need for high adrenaline activity and talking a lot. Over the years this has caused/contributed to episodes of depression/stress and a severe lack of self esteem. He’s very good at masking so most people would be surprised to know he is prone to depression or that he lacks confidence in himself.

Last year he was headhunted for a new job which he was unsure about taking but they promised him so much (support/opportunity/salary etc) so he decided to give it a go. Unfortunately it was an extremely toxic work environment and not at all what he expected. As the weeks went on he became more and more depressed, his adhd symptoms worsened and his self esteem was rock bottom. It was an extremely difficult time for both of us. After 7 months they terminated his contract but because of certain errors on their part he was given a payout. I agreed that it would be good for him to take a few months off work to help him get back to himself and focus on what he really wanted to do next.

We have always had a very relaxed attitude to money, I realise this is a very privileged situation to be in and it’s not to say we spend excessively or are very wealthy just that we’re more likely buy/do something now and pay it off later rather than saving up. I think this largely comes down to his impulse issues and my laid back attitude to life. This did cause us to build up some debt over the years but this is now mostly cleared. When he stopped working I told him that it was up to him to do what he wanted whilst not working but that the more he spent the sooner he’d need to return to work. The latest he would need to be back at work if he budgeted carefully was start of July.

Unfortunately July came and went without him even looking for a job. By August things got a bit desperate as he hadn’t budgeted all that well and he ended up having to borrow money from his parents. I found the whole situation very stressful as he seemed to be burying his head in the sand rather than being proactive. Fortunately this spurred him into action and he started applying for new jobs and started a new one at the start of October. He has settled in really well and is much happier, although the impact of the last job is clearly affecting his self confidence. (He is very good at what he does he just has terrible imposter syndrome). My work situation hasn’t been great for the last year but because he was made redundant I had to stay on longer than I would have liked, my situation has now reached a head and I will be redundant in the new year. We can manage on just his salary.

On to the actual issue. Some years ago my husband started playing occasional games of online black jack, this was infrequent and he probably spent no more than £60 over a year (that’s a rough guess). It was always a stake of under 10p a go. Over the last year he started playing the slot games after being enticed by the free spin offers. This wasn’t done secretly but I don’t know if he was paying to play, I never asked.

I did notice while he was off work his playing was more regular and he did admit to putting some money into it. Just after he started his new job a gambling promo flyer came through the post this sparked a conversation about it as I was getting concerned about the frequency and he admitted that he was playing very regularly and that while out of work he spent at least £300 on online games. I was shocked and disappointed but I told him I appreciated his honesty and that he needed to stop as it was getting out of hand. He said he would.

Last week we received another promo flyer in the post so I asked if he was managing to stay off the online slots and he said he was but I could tell he was being untruthful so I asked him again and he then admitted that he was still using it. I asked why he lied and he said he was embarrassed about it. I told him I was more concerned about him lying than gambling as it’s a slippery slope. As I said I’m very laid back about most things but lying is something I find very hard to deal with, especially from those you love. He offered to delete his account which he did there and then.

I wanted to check that he was being truthful so this morning I opened his email account (he knows I can do this as it’s open in our shared laptop, as is mine, we have access to each others devices and neither would think anything of picking up the others phone), I just wanted to be certain and I couldn’t face being lied to again. There were no emails in his inbox but I checked the trash and could see an email he received last week in which he submitted a request to restore his online gambling account.

Im so upset, I am concerned about the gambling but I’m more upset about the fact he has now lied about this multiple times and has gone behind my back after a direct conversation about it. He knows I’m concerned, he knows how upset he was that he lied and yet he’s gone and done it again but this time with more deception.

It’s been a stressful few weeks with my redundancy, our dog being unwell (and associated costs) and my husbands great-uncle recently passing away (funeral was last week), they were very close and I know he’s still grieving.

He’s out today so I haven’t spoken to him about this yet. Is it unreasonable to be upset over something that is potentially trivial? Should I ask to see his bank account? How am I meant to trust that he’ll stop this when he has lied to me repeatedly. I’m just so hurt.

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OolSarahloO · 09/12/2023 16:18

Definitely not unreasonable to be upset. I think it's also reasonable to assume he's hiding his behaviour out of shame. People can only DO better when they start FEELING better about themselves, so I'd suggest framing the conversation so it doesn't make him feel any worse than he probably does - focus on solutions, how you can support him but also think about where your boundaries are x

HateLiarsButLoveMyHusband · 09/12/2023 17:01

I know that’s the logical response but I’m so upset I don’t know how I can have the conversation without making it about how hurt I am, particularly given in the last conversation on the topic I was completely understanding and made it clear it was the lying I had an issue with.

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Hipnotised · 09/12/2023 17:05

The gambling is a big issue though, don't think it's just the lying.

Addicts lie. You need to keep a very close eye on your finances.

pickledandpuzzled · 09/12/2023 17:10

There’s no point being upset about the lying. Two reasons- the lying is a symptom of the gambling, and lying is a self defence mechanism for shame. The only way to stop it is to stop the shameful behaviour, or the punishment for the shameful behaviour.

I lied like a trooper as a child because my parents were heavy handed and I needed to stay out of trouble. He’s lying because he knows he’s doing wrong. That’s what need addressing- the gambling.

and honestly I’m not sure you can. He won’t stop unless he wants to. He won’t want to if you continue to support him.

HateLiarsButLoveMyHusband · 09/12/2023 17:22

@Hipnotised We have separate bank accounts as well as shared so I don’t have access to see what he’s spending personally. I think I’m going to have to ask him to show me what he’s spent and work out a way to support him to stop it for real. I don’t think he’s spending excess amounts that he can’t afford, he had his banking app open the other day and I could see his current account was in credit to where I’d expect it to be but I couldn’t 100% say he doesn’t have another account

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HateLiarsButLoveMyHusband · 09/12/2023 17:23

@pickledandpuzzled i should not support him? In what way?

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pickledandpuzzled · 09/12/2023 18:48

At the moment he’d prefer to lie to you and continue to gamble.
If you cover for him and dig him out, or are very permissive, then you’re effectively enabling him.

I don’t mean you should be nasty or hardline. Just that he has a problem and currently doesn’t see it.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 09/12/2023 18:53

Get him to go on gamstop and lock himself out. It could well be a depression symptom either looking for a dopamine fix or for the magic solution to all the financial woes.

https://www.gamstop.co.uk/

GAMSTOP - Gambling Self-Exclusion Scheme

GAMSTOP is a free service that lets you put controls in place to help restrict your online gambling activities

https://www.gamstop.co.uk/

LucyInTheParkWithDragons · 09/12/2023 19:02

I’ve told this story before on MN.

My aunt was married to a gambler. It started small (horses, in his case). But over the years the stakes got bigger, and so did the lies.

Every time she forgave him, he realised he could push it a bit further.

Eventually the stakes and the lies got so big that he went bankrupt and they lost the house.

Like you (but for different reasons) she has never been able to earn much.

So now she’s in a tiny housing association flat, and he’s fucked off to Thailand.

I would leave, personally. But if you don’t do that, check and double check ever scrap of his finances for the rest of your relationship.

Spottywombat · 09/12/2023 19:03

I won't tolerate lying. So I don't do it.

However, I do have adhd & can lie like a drain. Discovered this as I had a job that literally involved telling lies. I got so good at it, I stumbled more telling the truth.

Combined with gambling being really attractive as it stimulates dopamine release, I would be wary.

I used to have a poker habit.

And binary betting...

Spottywombat · 09/12/2023 19:05

Seeking dopamine is very, very attractive to an adhd brain as it lacks it & has less top down control.

Grimchmas · 09/12/2023 19:09

He is an addict, just in case that wasn't clear.

The gambling industry is actually pretty regulated and there are things he can do. The main one he should do is to get himself self-excluded, both from the site he has been using and others operating in the UK. All gambling websites operating in the UK must honour this by law. This article says you can request for a set period up to 5 years but I would get him to request it for life.

https://www.gamcare.org.uk/self-help/self-exclusion/#:~:text=You%20can%20ask%20a%20business,from%20these%20venues%20and%20websites.

Grimchmas · 09/12/2023 19:11

And as a fellow ADHDer - get him to research the shit out of his to get an ADHD brain to make dopamine in healthy ways, and support him to do those things.

Mrsttcno1 · 09/12/2023 19:13

One way to try and stop the gambling, and his willingness to do it (or not) will tell you everything you need to know- get him to do Gamstop for the max (4 years I believe). It means he cannot physically have an account on any websites like that, and he can’t make any new ones, for the duration x

HateLiarsButLoveMyHusband · 09/12/2023 20:08

@LucyInTheParkWithDragons thank you for sharing. I understand your perspective means this isn’t a situation you would chose to stay in but I can’t just throw away a 20yr relationship that up until this point has been extremely healthy, mutually supportive and loving without giving him the opportunity to understand the seriousness of what he has been doing. I’m coming to understand that I should be viewing the gambling as more of a serious issue and that the lies are a symptom of that. As I said he’s recently bereaved and clearly isn’t making the most positive choices to distract himself. I should point out that he did volunteer the information about the excess of spending when he was out of work, it wasn’t something I had to dig for. I don’t think the spending is out of hand at the moment but I will be asking to look at all his bank accounts and for him to block access to any gaming websites. I know you probably think I’m being naive but I’ve known this man since he was 16 years old.

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HateLiarsButLoveMyHusband · 09/12/2023 20:14

@pickledandpuzzled I realise he doesn’t see this as an issue and that needs to change. It’s crazy as he’s always been so anti gambling, saying football kits shouldn’t have them as advertisers etc. we even watched a documentary about a former footballer who became an addict and we talked about how easy it is to fall down that hole. He’s rarely gambled in the past, just occasionally betting on football games (talking £2 a couple of times a year) so I think this has come about through boredom when out of work and has become a habit he can’t let go of, possibly impacted by adhd. I’m not trying to make excuses but this is just so out of character for him

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HateLiarsButLoveMyHusband · 09/12/2023 20:16

@Mrsttcno1 thanks. I’ve already looked at some options and this is one route I was going to ask him about. I think it’s easy for him to become obsessed with things because of the adhd, I think out of sight out of mind may apply here

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HateLiarsButLoveMyHusband · 09/12/2023 20:20

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude yes I think the grief situation is really clouding his judgment. He’s quite stressed at the moment and I think he’s using it to relax and zone out. The adhd makes him prone to fixation on things and I think there is an underlying thought of more money would make life easier.

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Spottywombat · 09/12/2023 20:43

I think you're ignoring the physical aspects of adhd that we (with adhd) are trying to explain.

If he has less control, due to stress & grief, his brain will be looking for help. Dopamine from gambling is a very quick fix.

HateLiarsButLoveMyHusband · 09/12/2023 20:49

@Spottywombat i totally get that and he does usually channel his energy/focus into positive things like exercise, seeing friends and being outside. Being winter some of these things are harder to do but I do always encourage him to do the things I know make him feel better, even when he doesn’t want to, ultimately it works but I guess he needs less destructive past times for down time. He’s very quick to low self esteem and anger at himself at the moment so I know I need to tread carefully

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Wednesday6 · 09/12/2023 21:03

Gambling is one of the worst addictions there is. You need to have a serious conversation with him. I can see why he lied though when he's pressed like this and knows that you'll be upset, angry etc the easiest way out is to lie. I would focus on stopping gambling and getting a job.

HateLiarsButLoveMyHusband · 09/12/2023 21:14

@Wednesday6 he has a job and he’s enjoying it. I understand the temptation to lie but it’s just so out of character that it breaks my heart. I told him last week I wasn’t judging him and was only upset about the lying not the gambling. I honestly don’t think he’s registering that this is an issue. He’s still not home so I’m not sure when I’ll be able to talk to him about it. I’m just worried needing if I should just be upfront and tell him I know he reactivated his account or give him the opportunity to be honest. I’m not trying to catch him out but I do want him to want to tell me, just not sure how we’ll both feel if he lies again.

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Proudmum17 · 09/12/2023 21:31

Why do you think it's ok to let the major amount of home finance providing to he left to him if you have no children? I'm disabled and I contribute an equal amount to our home. I accept everyone is different and you may have different needs but I think you need to step up as this feels like a leech relationship. I'm sure I'll come in for fine gate here, but equality works both ways

Proudmum17 · 09/12/2023 21:48

Also adhd is as debilitating as any disability I'm amazed he's managed this far

HateLiarsButLoveMyHusband · 09/12/2023 22:10

@Proudmum17 I think you’ve taken a giant leap based on the limited information I’ve provided. Like I said I have a health condition that limits my ability to work however I have always worked, it’s not my fault I’m being made redundant. I am seeking new employment for the new year, at no point did I say I wasn’t working. I work in the charity sector, always have done, so that combined with my limitations on working hours impacts how much I can earn. This was the case before we got married. He has always worked in the private sector and works in a very in demand field which pays very well. I’m not sure what me having no children has to do with how much I financially contribute and even if we weren’t married I wouldn’t be earning any more as it’s just not possible, I would just have to drastically adjust my lifestyle. There are other ways in which partners contribute to a household other than financial. I had no issue with him taking several months off while we could afford it but I can’t afford our mortgage on my own so it’s not unreasonable for him to be working. I only added that me not working for some time would be ok financially as I was emphasising that lack of funds isn’t the motivation for gambling. To call me a leech is quite absurd and my personal financial situation doesn’t really have anything to do with what I was asking about.

I also understand the impact adhd has on him and support him in so many ways. I have been suggesting to him he may have adhd for several years, it’s only in the last year that he’s come to accept that this is likely and eventually got himself on a waiting list for diagnosis.

I’m not sure what you were trying to achieve with your comment other than to be unnecessarily provocative. I came here looking for help and advice, not an attack on my work ethic.

Also perhaps you need to gain some understanding of how equity not equality is the route to everyone bringing the same contribution to the table.

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