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Peak middle class marketing

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kindlypudding · 06/12/2023 22:57

I am in this demographic, but it fucking irritates me.
I suppose it could be called consumer class appropriation, how so many goods are aimed at the MC with taglines including factory workers, craftsmen, etc.

I look at a woolly hat, typical shop that I like and have purchased from, and there's a foot long description about the wool process. OK, we are the main target for ethical, climate related messaging, but it's beginning to feel cheap, worn out and fucking patronising.

Here's one from Navy&Grey -
"The wool arrives in Scotland by boat where it is spun and dyed on the banks of Loch Leven in Kinross by Todd & Duncan, one of the finest Scottish Mills which has been spinning yarn for 150+ years.
85% of the dyes used by Todd & Duncan are organic and the water used for washing and dyeing the wool is cleaned and purified before returning to Loch Leven to be used again".

And here's another from Toast -
"Established in 2009, Bleu de Chauffe, the name taken from French workwear jackets worn by 19th century factory workers..."

You could almost say it is a fetishisation of the working class, or at least pre war. It supposes I am thick headed, desperate to show my privileged, ethical plumes. I chose the bag quoted above because I love it, it has served me well and the softness of the strap reminds me of my old horse's reins long ago. This squarely places me within the target market, and whilst a lot of these products are beautiful, the cloying, oozingly false pretensions about the environment leave me cynical.
It's like when you read a Guardian article about capitalism and clothes, and all the commenters claim to only ever buy second hand and patch up their own repairs. This is great, but along come san actual poor person who has been doing that anyway for years. It feels like just another road to excessive consumption, but with a more insidious intent.

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Arabels · 07/12/2023 10:51

kindlypudding · 07/12/2023 00:01

Want to add that I don't refer to contemporary working class, since many are very well off financially (far more than me). I only refer to the idealised, historical version of the term.
I am a bit of a William Morris fangirl, so feel slightly conflicted.

Edited

Oh I get it!

It’s tricky for me though as I have a lot of friends running some businesses doing exactly this kind of work - think decorative hand mending, ceramics, flower growers - I know one of the UK’s last clog makers 😂The value of the things they create vs much cheaper mass market products is absolutely in the care and time that goes in to them, and they have to find a way to articulate that. There’s a fine line between brands cashing in on this and actually helping to shift the conversation as they have so much more reach…I know Toast copy is ridiculous but by every report I’ve seen they do pay fair prices to their suppliers!

derxa · 07/12/2023 10:56

KingsleyBorder · 06/12/2023 23:51

Ah, website tells me the sheep are Saffers.

“Our superfine wool arrives in Scotland by boat once a year, sourced from a special breed of sheep in South Africa.”

”special breed” ha ha. Special in what way?

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Special in that their wool is finer than other breeds. You don't understand that there are different breeds of sheep for different purposes.

Desecratedcoconut · 07/12/2023 10:56

cornishsqueezy · 07/12/2023 10:35

I live in Cornwall and this irritates me so much. Finisterre and Sea Salt are awful for their pretentious nonsense. (plus they're assholes to work for!)

Finisterre is ridiculous. The hearts of models must sink when they get booked for this lot. Right, what we want you to do is look cold and miserable on a grey beach on a wet day in shapeless clothes like you are hanging around waiting for the homeless shelter to reopen their doors. Go.

cornishsqueezy · 07/12/2023 10:59

Desecratedcoconut · 07/12/2023 10:56

Finisterre is ridiculous. The hearts of models must sink when they get booked for this lot. Right, what we want you to do is look cold and miserable on a grey beach on a wet day in shapeless clothes like you are hanging around waiting for the homeless shelter to reopen their doors. Go.

Exactly right. They had one last week that really pissed me off. When people started asking about the models nice hat - Finisterre had to fess up and explain that it was "models own" and not even Finisterre branded 😂

they had ONE job.

Ugh, local businesses hate working with them.

MsRosley · 07/12/2023 11:01

SawX · 07/12/2023 08:41

What are you on about? A seamstress in France with her own shop is probably making a mint. She's not a nine year old Indonesian child working 18 hours a day for two pence.

If she's paying French business taxes, I can guarantee she's not making much a mint.

derxa · 07/12/2023 11:06

Still more profitable than paying for fleeces from Scotland I get very little for my wool. It's not the right quality for making this product.

Fiflaboeuf · 07/12/2023 11:10

There is so much of this guff - and it’s basically greenwashing.
I have an app called ‘goodonyou’ and they actually rate the ethical status of the shops / brands. Then you can cut through the crap - eg toast is full of shit about its ethical status.

justasking111 · 07/12/2023 11:10

KingsleyBorder · 06/12/2023 23:51

Ah, website tells me the sheep are Saffers.

“Our superfine wool arrives in Scotland by boat once a year, sourced from a special breed of sheep in South Africa.”

”special breed” ha ha. Special in what way?

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It's cheap. No other reason

Bernardmanning · 07/12/2023 11:13

"KingsleyBorder · Yesterday 23:51

Ah, website tells me the sheep are Saffers.

“Our superfine wool arrives in Scotland by boat once a year, sourced from a special breed of sheep in South Africa.”

”special breed” ha ha. Special in what way? "

Diverse ethnic sheep, obviously!

derxa · 07/12/2023 11:14

justasking111 · 07/12/2023 11:10

It's cheap. No other reason

I bet it's not cheap. The wool from my sheep (Lleyns) is almost worth nothing. Fleeces from native sheep breeds is of the wrong quality to make those products.

Mercurial123 · 07/12/2023 11:15

Jztbrzzsy · 07/12/2023 10:39

Good for you and your friends/family!

But while class stuff might not be an issue for you, I do think lots of people say things on here to do with class that they'd be far too polite to verbalise in real life.

If that's sarcasm, most people I have encountered are perfectly happy within themselves and have more pressing problems in life to worry about what someone irrelevant thinks of them. And yes, it is great, thanks.

mrsmingleton · 07/12/2023 11:15

I also can't stand the word "curated" aargh 😡

derxa · 07/12/2023 11:16

Bernardmanning · 07/12/2023 11:13

"KingsleyBorder · Yesterday 23:51

Ah, website tells me the sheep are Saffers.

“Our superfine wool arrives in Scotland by boat once a year, sourced from a special breed of sheep in South Africa.”

”special breed” ha ha. Special in what way? "

Diverse ethnic sheep, obviously!

This is not funny. You're mocking people's livelihoods.

Mercurial123 · 07/12/2023 11:17

For UK wool, Izzy Lane is fab. Sheep rescued from slaughter. The knitwear and coats are really good quality.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 07/12/2023 11:18

' The wool arrives in Scotland by boat ' where it is then taken inland by lorry ( or whatever ) having travelled 1000's of miles across the seas from South Africa because Scotland doesn't have any ( posh ) sheep...

ShinyAppleDreamingOfTheSea · 07/12/2023 11:18

@Yesyouarebeingatwat
Most people probably haven't seen @FelicityFlops comment as it had been deleted as being unacceptable . Now you've copied and pasted, we all know what it said!

ThinWomansBrain · 07/12/2023 11:19

I come from a Barbour and guns family

so just shoot the offenders
if you're concerned about the planet, just stop buying "stuff" (and the body count will help with that too).

inamarina · 07/12/2023 11:34

Finestreason · 07/12/2023 07:55

I agree. I like it. Provenance isn’t pathological, is it? I like it around food items in particular. If I buy a lovely cheese I like to know that it was aged in a cave with monks dutifully fretting over it.

Shopping is dull so adding a little backstory or history to an item (even if it is wanky) adds interest and some level of evocative attention to the item. Poor wee immigrant sheep.

I agree with this. I quite like a bit of a backstory to the products I’m buying, as long as it’s genuine.
I think in a way it also helps remind people how much work actually goes in the production of clothes or bread or whatever. That doesn’t automatically mean that everyone has to buy artisan cheese and Scottish wool jumpers.
Plus, businesses’ aim is to make money - if brands like Toast use that particular language then it seems to be working for them.
As a side note, as an immigrant I find the British obsession with class markers quite interesting and sometimes bizarre.

Goldenbear · 07/12/2023 11:35

kindlypudding · 06/12/2023 23:16

What really bothers me is the ever so quaint way in which they fetishise poverty. it is like cosplaying at being poor. Just awful.

I come from a Barbour and guns family, and have no idea where my fucking anger at this comes from. Surely anyone with a bloody brain can feel the sleaze? It reminds me of grooming (not horses, but vulnerable people), to convince them that poor people live in a strange, bucolic utopia.

A "Barbour and Guns family" and jodhpurs, are you a jodhpurs family? How can you feel patronised if you are from the upper-middle classes?

Finestreason · 07/12/2023 11:36

RubberyChicken · 07/12/2023 10:04

The 'common people ' have the MC sussed,

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtn1a-7TnOE

This is absolutely beautiful. I have seen it before.

“eggs with feathers and shit on them”

😜

ifIwerenotanandroid · 07/12/2023 11:38

derxa · 07/12/2023 11:14

I bet it's not cheap. The wool from my sheep (Lleyns) is almost worth nothing. Fleeces from native sheep breeds is of the wrong quality to make those products.

Can I ask a question out of sheer ignorance? I'm assuming the product under discussion is a traditional Scottish one, so how is it traditional if Scotland has the wrong sort of sheep?

Genuinely interested in textiles - someone on another thread recommended the hapticandhue.com podcast & it is indeed wonderful for anyone is.

derxa · 07/12/2023 11:42

ifIwerenotanandroid · 07/12/2023 11:38

Can I ask a question out of sheer ignorance? I'm assuming the product under discussion is a traditional Scottish one, so how is it traditional if Scotland has the wrong sort of sheep?

Genuinely interested in textiles - someone on another thread recommended the hapticandhue.com podcast & it is indeed wonderful for anyone is.

I know nothing about textiles. They're not using native breed wool but the manufacturing process might be traditional. Don't know.

inamarina · 07/12/2023 11:43

lollo8 · 07/12/2023 08:27

It is peak wankery, yes.

I just hope the same people are actually shopping at their local greengrocers, butchers, hardware shop, bakery etc, rather than getting in their Land Rovers once a week to go to Tesco.

Fine if you want to go into a romantic reverie about wizened old artisans spinning wool on a remote Scottish isle, yeah whatever. But could you also please support the local people grafting to keep independent business alive.

I don’t mind the language used to describe those ‘artisan’ products, but fully agree with the rest of your post 🙂

Ebee19 · 07/12/2023 11:43

The one I find hilarious when someone calls it ethical or vegan leather (aka PU) or ethical wool (aka plastic). I once was trying to buy a hand bag and said I wanted a leather handbag (personal preference, no issue if others don't). The sale woman took it off the shelf and said this is vegan leather. I had never heard the phrase before so was like ok, then was like "it doesn't smell like leather". Another woman in the store walked up and said "it's not leather, it's PU and you could buy it a lot cheaper". The sales woman was insisting it was leather and we had to explain to her leather can't be vegan. It was terrifying but also hilarious.

millymog11 · 07/12/2023 11:44

It is just clever marketing.

If you have more money than most people then the message encouraging you to adopt a one upmanship mindset goes into turbodrive.

What else will make you feel superior to other people than knowing you have the genuine article which peasants of old wore when every other poor bugger in Britian has to do with mass consumer nutrition free toxic environmentally destructive crap because they cannot afford anything else?

I do think there are analogies with the internet being a substitute for real life interactions - the very wealthy will often go for years without having a genuine face to face conversation with someone but somehow they don't need that anyway because they are wearing organic yaks wool or some such.

But cynicism aside, its a shame that some innovators with real integrity and a clear conscience cannot harness the desire to be better-than-my-neighbour into the charitable giving sector (selectively of course). I suspect that the oneupmanship of the OP's post/this thread does not refer to any kind of giving/philanthropy.