Private surgery complications should not be covered by NHS?

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People can pay for private medical care if they want to. But the NHS should not have to pick up the cost of botched surgery or complications. If you go private you should either be rich enough that you can pay yourself for any complications, or have insurance that will cover complications.
Currently the NHS are picking up complications caused by private medical treatment, complications which can be expensive and complex.

Do you actually have any data on this?

You’re wrong. If they pay NIC then they’re entitled to use the services.

You can’t have universal healthcare then & does the person who went private but paid thousands in tax really deserve less help re complications vs someone who hasn’t paid anything?

YABVU there are many operations that the NHS should be doing that people end up paying for to avoid years of pain, misery, and often, expensive medication.

Ah yes, someone scraping together their life savings to fund a hip replacement surgery because otherwise they will be expected to live with dehabilitating pain for several years is just like sending your child to private school and then wanting them to be able to attend a local school once a week for some geography lessons 🙄

I'd consider it. When the NHS start paying for all the cock ups that people end up going private to cover...🙄

No, thanks, I pay taxes and on top of that have private health insurance. If something goes wrong, who are you to tell me I can't have it sorted on the NHS, a service I pay taxes for and rarely use on account of it being shit?

It would be similar to privately educated primary school pupils being told they can’t go to a state secondary.

OP. Do you not realise that the NHS is not fit for purpose. The waste is criminal and their incompetence to recognise they need to move with the times is legendary! They use faxes still, cling onto old technology because they cannot be arsed to train their staff on new products. I was working for a company as a major supplier to the NHS and they need to sort themselves out urgently!

Private = money from your own pocket.
NHS = taxpayer money.

I don't think the taxpayer should be footing the bill for correcting issues that have arisen from a surgery done privately that has gone wrong or been botched.

I have private health insurance curated by my insurance broker. If I elect to have treatment privately, I expect to have to pay for correcting anything that goes wrong.

A bit like if I owned a luxury car. I will have insurance on it. If something happens to it, I will pay for it.

No because anyone who is ill can access the NHS. How it works. You don't make the rules!
Private hospitals don't have cardiac arrest teams and ITU etc so sick patients have to be transferred.
Complications will arise after surgery it's not botched.

All of that costs money. Faces have gone

Faxes

Where does it end though? NHS shouldn't pay for injuries in RTA where driver at fault? Or for sporting injuries? Or for smoking / obesity related conditions?

If I was in charge, I would say NHS should pay for treatment of patients who are (1) UK residents or (2) from countries that provide reciprocal treatment for UK residents. If I required medical treatment in USA, I (or my insurers) would have to pay megabucks for it. Seems unfair that a US resident can get free NHS treatment

To be fair, GP surgeries (at least, the ones I deal with) were still using fax machines until a few years ago

Where will the highly trained staff come from ?? Acute medics, critical care nurses etc etc
Not enough in the actual nhs never mind a second system

Yes but Faxes finally gone. They had their uses 😛

Its more like saying if your luxury car breaks down you aren't allowed to take public transport instead, you have to wait for the hire care you might have included in your insurance, even though the public transport would get you there quicker and you happen to be in a rush.

Complications can be complex? Wow you're a smart cookie.

Same. I paid for cataract surgery because the waiting list was horrendous and I was rapidly going blind. If the NHS can’t provide timely treatment, it can sure as hell remedy the situation if things go wrong.

Thats some leap of logic there!

So a consultant doing 30hrs NHS and 10hrs private wouldn't do more NHS if they did 50hrs NHS... Really?

My husband has just had is gallbladder removed privately as the NHS says he might wait a year. He has been critacly ill with sepsis due to NHS failing to operate. He has been a higher rate tax payer for 2 decades. No he should receive NHS care if there becomes an issue. Maybe obese people, sports injuries or childbirth shouldn't be covered either as it too is self induced. My zdH has spent 6 weeks in NHS and wanted the surgery for peace of mind and to ensure his liver begins to recover. YABVVVU.

Really. There’s a finite amount of theatre and support staff time available in the NHS. It’s not just about the surgeon.

The OP isn't about people using private to get quicker treatment, its about compensating the NHS when such treatment goes wrong, the NHS is effectively paying out far more, as complications are often much more expensive than the original treatment.

The OP also isn't about sports people or alcoholics etc... would help if you read the thread before jumping to conclusions?

Thats down to resources, beyond the OP of the thread, which is about compensating the NHS when private goes wrong.

I linked to that issue earlier - people like you doubtless have voted to under fund the NHS to protect your triple lock pensions or have tax cuts?