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She’s so toxic but nobody see it.

18 replies

Toxicdynamic · 26/11/2023 13:04

The specifics of this situation are very outing so in order to protect the people involved (and myself) I’m going to have to be a bit vague and I apologise now if it turns into a bit if a drip feed.

My husband’s family are deeply in-trenched in a very toxic dynamic which centres around my MIL who I believe has Covert Narcissistic Personality disorder. My husband is deeply affected by the trauma he suffered as a child growing up in a very toxic household. As a result he is or was until recently very low contact with his parents. They treat him like a child, he is pretty much incapable of asserting himself at all in their presence and they say hurtful and unkind things which completely undermine him and greatly affect his self esteem. There are other siblings (girls) who fawn over her and are enlisted to guilt trip my husband and by extension me into having more contact. The other siblings do not seem to realise how much fear, guilt and obligation is involved, everything is highly competitive and revolves around my MIL needing constant supply.

My MIL is a complete hypochondriac who has numerous mystery ailments. She has an undiagnosed condition which baffles her GP and means she has to be very careful what she eats- she is allergic to an ever growing list of things that seems to change depending on who has cooked. She seems to love nothing more than finding there is an ingredient in something you’ve cooked her that she can no longer eat especially if you’ve bent over backwards to accommodate her. If the focus is not on her, she will feign illness.

The latest drama is that my FIL has had an op- something routine. There have been some complications but essentially everything is fine. MIL has whipped everyone into a huge panic. Everyone has dropped everything (even flying home early from a holiday in one case) to support her because she isn’t coping. My FIL was discharged from hospital but she just won’t let him recover. She is constantly fussing over him making him feel that he is a huge burden. There’s suddenly a rota as there needs to be a (adult) child staying in the home at all times. He doesn’t need any care. This is solely because she is anxious. She is awful to him, berating him for changing his incontinence pads too frequently, telling everyone who will listen very personal Information about him and moaning about how it affects her. It’s horribly abusive and if the genders were reversed it would be widely accepted as coercive control but because she has formulated this persona as a vulnerable and anxious woman, nobody reacts.

The most alarming thing is that on two occasions when the family moral support team are changing shifts, she has called an ambulance and insisted that my FIL be taken to hospital due to chest pains. He has had extensive tests and there is nothing wrong. He does have an underlying heart condition but tests have shown it to be well managed and there are no markers to point to heart attack etc.

She is fabricating symptoms and giving the doctors at the hospital false information about the operation he has just had. She is asking for details of the will, everyone is incredibly worried about his health and feels like he could drop dead at any moment.

There’s lots more but is way too outing to post in detail. I have a really bad feeling about the whole thing. She just won’t accept that he needs rest and time to recover from the op and the many sleepless nights due to being ferried around A&E. She’s, at best really struggling with her own anxiety and needs sone sort of mental health intervention and at worst something really sinister is unfolding.

I don’t know how to bring this up. I don’t know whether to stay completely out of it or if I have a duty of care to try to get everyone to see what’s happening. There is a history of her creating a completely alternate narrative and the whole family just falling in line with her. She is a mater puppeteer whist simultaneously coming across as weak and vulnerable. Are has a history of not allowing him access to of healthcare on the past I was really concerned then. I voiced my concerns to a sibling in law then avd they managed to get help the help he needed but it was tricky avd met with a huge amount of resistance from MIL.

We have been low contact for ages because it is a massive head fuck and it’s so frustrating to see everyone enabling her. My husband has been completely drawn into this though. He can’t see the wood for the trees and he is incredibly concerned that his dad is about to die.

How do I navigate this?

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meeplesmarples · 26/11/2023 13:32

Stay out if it as far as you can. Other family members will not listen to you (going by what you've written about how the family falls in line with MIL), so you're not going to change anything - but you will make yourself a target if you choose to speak up. Plus things go wrong even with routine procedures and recovery, so if anything did happen to complicate things, you do not want to be forever labelled as that heartless bitch who tried to undermine her MIL in an extremely stressful situation and didn't care a jot about her ill FIL...

Toxicdynamic · 26/11/2023 16:01

Yes, I suppose it is prob best to keep out of it. It’s just so horrific for my FIL. Her behaviour is abusive and controlling and he is in a particularly vulnerable situation. It’s very difficult just to do nothing.

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Acheyknees · 26/11/2023 16:16

Could you suggest a full time carer coming temporarily so MIL can have a 'rest'. If she's making his recovery more difficult for him and frequently calling ambulances, I would suggest having a professional on hand. She will refuse, but you've offered (maybe offer financial help too). if she's in full on 'I can't cope' mode, you just repeat but we've offered to pay for a carer. And repeat.

MisNb · 26/11/2023 16:39

I would completely stay out of it - don't offer any advice to anyone. Just be there as support for your DH. Avoid mentioning them - ask him how he is when he gets back from a visit. Be there to listen but don't push your thoughts about it all on him.

Trust him to come to his own conclusions. My husband has a similar family dynamic and by far the best thing I did was (eventually) take a back seat and take on more of a counselling role when he wanted to talk. His mother presents as 'lovely' and maybe a bit vulnerable/naïve - I don't think anyone falls for (or pretends to fall for) that anymore. DH described her as 'evil' recently.

Blueblell · 26/11/2023 16:49

Are you implying she wants to bump him off? Or she is enjoying the attention his illness brings and so not wanting him to recover quickly.

AcrossthePond55 · 26/11/2023 16:59

If you truly believe she is abusing him to the point of endangering his health, then I'd keep my mouth shut around the family and call whatever service in the UK handles elder abuse and make an anonymous report.

It doesn't matter if she's doing it for attention for herself, because she's sadistic, or because she has Munchausen's by proxy. She matters nothing in this scenario. What matters is FiL's safety and wellbeing.

BubbleBubbleBubbleBubblePop · 26/11/2023 17:05

You go no contact with her. I have an aunt like this and the only thing you can do with people like this is cut them off.

ManchesterGirl2 · 26/11/2023 17:06

Could you suggest FIL coming to stay with you, or another sibling if willing, "to give her a break"?

Ultimately though you probably can't fix this kind of messed up dynamic, nor convince FIL to leave. So try to protect his safety, and beyond that keep your distance.

Shelby2010 · 26/11/2023 17:06

AcrossthePond55 · 26/11/2023 16:59

If you truly believe she is abusing him to the point of endangering his health, then I'd keep my mouth shut around the family and call whatever service in the UK handles elder abuse and make an anonymous report.

It doesn't matter if she's doing it for attention for herself, because she's sadistic, or because she has Munchausen's by proxy. She matters nothing in this scenario. What matters is FiL's safety and wellbeing.

I agree. You need to call adult social services.

DollyDaydream23 · 26/11/2023 17:55

Oh my this sounds all so familar, but i agree stay out of it, best thing for you and your other half is cut them off. No matter whether its family or not its the best thing to do, its pretty much the same situation with my husband and his family to the point my mil threatened to kill our daughter who was 4 months old at the time the same way my husbands dad died (he was killed by his then gf) when my husband was 7.

Tbh we are much better without toxic members and so will you be, but if you feel your fil is being abused and hes not keeping good then absolutely call adult social services but not mention it to other family members.

Guesswho88 · 26/11/2023 17:56

I completely disagree with those saying to stay out of it - she needs a good slap. Or, in a more practical sense, I would have a word with her - or those close to her who are facilitating this behaviour.

fyn · 26/11/2023 18:18

I’d call social services. A relative was a similar situation, although the spouse had a stroke that had caused a personality change. The vulnerable family member was put into a care home and honest thrived. They went from incredibly poorly to fine because they were getting the correct care, had a social life etc…

Toxicdynamic · 26/11/2023 19:07

Thank you for all your replies. We were low contact with the parents but this situation has caused so much stress that my OH has just abandoned any sense of boundaries and is panic stricken about his ‘poor’ mum and his potentially very poorly dad. She’s found a way of getting unlimited attention and sympathy.

I’m doing my best to support my OH emotionally without voicing my concerns- anyone who has experienced this sort of dynamic will know, keeping quiet and staying on the periphery is the only way to not be targeted.

I’m just asking my husband neutral questions like ‘what have the doctors said might be the cause of his chest pain now a heart issue has been ruled out’. (They don’t know, there is no medical cause they can find), ‘where do you feel your mum’s anxiety stems from?’ (Don’t know specifically, she’s just really worried about how ill he is), or ‘what can you do to help reassure her now the doctors have ruled out any problems’.

I’m really trying not to buy into the drama but I’m really concerned that if the attention stops she’ll ramp up the situation. If I contact social services he will deny any abuse. He is completely enmeshed in the situation, he can’t even breathe without her permission or blessing.

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Santaiswashinghissleigh · 26/11/2023 19:29

Suggests fil stays with his dc on rota even if you don't mean it! Suggest to mil if she can't cope you will have fil with you.... Threatening to take away her source of attention may see her her calm it down... I would contact ss and explain.

itsmylife7 · 26/11/2023 20:12

Could you do a report to ss vulnerable adult at risk ?

Createausername1970 · 26/11/2023 20:30

I am in the "stay right out of it" camp. As suggested, support your DH by asking questions or making sensible comments to him that might help him to see things differently.

So with regards to her calling ambulance unnecessarily, you could say "glad they found nothing wrong, and hopefully lugging him into hospital again for no reason won't delay his recovery". Plant seeds of doubt without being overly critical. But don't get dragged in yourself.

Dustpantsandbush · 26/11/2023 21:06

Call social services and step back. Not your circus.

Birdcar · 26/11/2023 21:12

"How do I navigate this?"

You don't. There is absolutely nothing you can do.

Hopefully the hospital staff are on to her by now .

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