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To think it's selfish to eat from special dietary requirements when you have none?

421 replies

IndividualMini · 24/11/2023 10:41

At a work conference, where a catered lunch is being offered. There are specific sections for dietary requirements with limited supplies eg vegan, gluten free, nut free, along with a larger section for ordinary non-vegetarian sandwiches with ordinary bread. The guy ahead of me takes something from every single section including the ordinary non-vegetarian section, so clearly is not a vegan with gluten allergies! Why do people do this? As someone with specific dietary requirements I've been left many times with very little to eat because others have eaten food without thinking about whether others might actually need it.

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ThatMrsM · 24/11/2023 12:50

My first thought would be that he probably didn't realise what he was doing/didn't notice the labeling on the food...or it wasn't labelled clearly enough. I wouldn't assume he was being selfish, maybe it was just a mistake.

Gall10 · 24/11/2023 12:51

CuteOrangeElephant · 24/11/2023 12:43

I hate it when there's a lot of meat based options and very little vegetarian.
I eat vegetarian half of the time, and do genuinely prefer most vegetarian foods.

Buffets should be 1/3 vegan, 1/3 vegetarian and 1/3 meat based.

What about the gluten intolerant, lactose intolerant, those who don’t want butter/margarine on their fake bread, people who want the crusts cut off, those who prefer their sandwiches cut in squares/ triangles….and don’t get me started on paper/polystyrene plates debate.
life’s too short to complain about free food!

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 24/11/2023 12:54

KirstenBlest · 24/11/2023 12:49

@LiquoriceAllsorts2 , I think you might be missing my point - that they are thinking that 'vegetarian food' is a certain range of food, not simply food without animal-based content.

Sorry, yeh I get what you are saying and I agree with that. The problem is is that people saying that vegetarian food should be left for the vegetarians are actually meaning only certain items but are expecting each individual to be able to know which items those are and to be fully aligned with them on this which clearly can’t work unless told by the caterer.

TrashedSofa · 24/11/2023 12:54

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 24/11/2023 12:42

The problem is is that is very subjective. One person may think a jacket potato with beans is not vegetarian food and a mushroom risotto is as they grew up eating the jacket but not the risotto. Whilst another meat eater grew up also regularly eating mushroom risotto and also just see that as just food and not vegetarian food; they might think vegetarian food is just fake chicken or quorn sausages.

Yeah I think people will clock food with an obvious meat replacement as intended for veggies much more so than food that's veggie by nature. So quorn curry instead of chicken, they've done that for the vegetarians. Cheese sandwiches not so much.

CuteOrangeElephant · 24/11/2023 12:54

Gall10 · 24/11/2023 12:51

What about the gluten intolerant, lactose intolerant, those who don’t want butter/margarine on their fake bread, people who want the crusts cut off, those who prefer their sandwiches cut in squares/ triangles….and don’t get me started on paper/polystyrene plates debate.
life’s too short to complain about free food!

Intolerant people should be catered for separately .
If you offer plenty of vegan options you already have the lactose free people catered for.

People who want crusts cut off can do that themselves.

kitsuneghost · 24/11/2023 12:54

What would be your thoughts on a vegetarian eating vegan food then

I tend to think of things as just food so if I make an asparagus risotto I don't perceive it as vegetarian or vegan when I'm making it. It is just dinner; but is actually suitable for vegetarians and vegans.
Would a vegetarian on seeing asparagus risotto think to themselves 'oh that's vegan I need to go back to my cheese and onion quiche'?

BarbaraofSeville · 24/11/2023 12:55

KirstenBlest · 24/11/2023 12:49

@LiquoriceAllsorts2 , I think you might be missing my point - that they are thinking that 'vegetarian food' is a certain range of food, not simply food without animal-based content.

Who's this 'they' because they sound like idiots.

Wait, I get it. It's the people who write the recipes on the internet with all the unnecessary descriptions of the items being vegan. Make this delicious vegan carrot soup and vegan potato curry.

Because without the vegan label, we'd not be able to work out that carrot soup or potato curry is by default vegan, or can be made vegan simply by using the right oil, stock etc.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 24/11/2023 12:55

I don’t think there is anything wrong with this as long as you e declared it.

And yet there has been plenty of threads on here stating that omnis who randomly declare themselves veggie / vegan make life much harder for actual veggies / vegans because if that happens a lot then people stop taking it seriously.

Wednesdaysotherchild · 24/11/2023 12:56

StardustGiraffe · 24/11/2023 11:05

Yeah I do agree to a certain extent OP. I am vegetarian and it's a nightmare when you attend events where people bring round trays of food (thinking of a previous Christmas party) because people just take anything on offer as soon as it comes out - as most would to be fair - and you sometimes get left with nothing as everything else that comes out are meat/fish options.

But I don't know what can really be done about it because they can't really be banned from eating veg/vegan food. Especially veg stuff as it might be halloumi/potato/cheese & onion etc - stuff lots of people like. It is frustrating though when you're the one with the dietary requirement so I do get it.

They should just make everything vegan/gluten free! That’ll learn them…

WrongWayApricot · 24/11/2023 12:59

It's almost as if they think buffets are free-for-alls, silly billies.

mindutopia · 24/11/2023 13:04

Food that is specifically for people with special dietary needs should be separate and should be pretty much placed directly in the hands of people who requested it, along with assurances about which items on the buffet are safe for them to eat (or have separate bits for them to help themselves to to avoid cross contamination).

I'd personally not eat a tray of sandwiches labelled gluten free, but I would gladly help myself to lots of vegetarian food because that's a normal part of my diet. I only eat meat a few times a week, so it's just 'food' to me. I'd expect their to be plenty for everyone.

BotterMon · 24/11/2023 13:05

Blame the caterers. They need to put dietary requirements in a different area or separately packed clearly badged as such i.e. intolerance/allergy only.

If I am at a buffet I wouldn't choose gluten free or vegan as they often taste rank when mass catered, but would choose vegetarian options if they are freely available.

CesareBorgia · 24/11/2023 13:05

Specialist food needs to be separated and clearly labelled - if for allergens/intolerances it should also be separately wrapped.

These days, there should be at least equal amounts of vegetarian and non vegetarian dishes on a buffet.

burnoutbabe · 24/11/2023 13:12

why can;t they say

Table over on the left is for the people who have said they are veggie/vegan/GF.

table on right is for anyone else - mix of veggie and meat and fish. for people who want a selection. I often eat the veggie food, but i could eat the meat ones if they seemed nice too.

Just ensure the main table has veggie offerings as well as a seperate ONLY veggie/vegan stuff.

The veggies who eat the vegan option can have their own battles!

ACynicalDad · 24/11/2023 13:14

I’m more sympathetic to actual allergies and intolerances than personal choices, like vegans and vegetarians.

HideAndSeekWithTheDog · 24/11/2023 13:16

I’m more sympathetic to actual allergies and intolerances than personal choices, like vegans and vegetarians.

Why? Everyone gets hungry.

Ohnoooooooo · 24/11/2023 13:21

I am gluten free and once was told there was a sandwich for me - another person grabbed it and when I pointed out it was gluten free he said he didn’t mind and munched through my sandwich and his non gluten free one. I think some people don’t think.

MargotBamborough · 24/11/2023 13:22

Ohnoooooooo · 24/11/2023 13:21

I am gluten free and once was told there was a sandwich for me - another person grabbed it and when I pointed out it was gluten free he said he didn’t mind and munched through my sandwich and his non gluten free one. I think some people don’t think.

But what did you actually say?

"That sandwich is gluten free" or "that sandwich is gluten free and it is for me and if you eat it I won't be able to eat anything so give it to me please"?

YoullCatchYourDeathInTheFog · 24/11/2023 13:31

Ohnoooooooo · 24/11/2023 13:21

I am gluten free and once was told there was a sandwich for me - another person grabbed it and when I pointed out it was gluten free he said he didn’t mind and munched through my sandwich and his non gluten free one. I think some people don’t think.

Surely your follow up is "sorry, what I meant was: that's my gf sandwich, it's the only one I can eat"

HangingOver · 24/11/2023 13:31

This used to bug me at my old work on pizza day. They ordered huge ones for everyone to share and one little one without cheese for me and the other vegan in the office. Trouble was people would try it for novelty and then I would hardly have any. Double annoying if they only ate half the slice because they prefer the kind with cheese.

HardcoreLadyType · 24/11/2023 13:41

I sometimes go on hiking weekends with a group who feed the vegans first, then vegetarians, then everyone else. (They also cater for other dietary requirements, and those people are served where appropriate in the “pecking order”.) This means the meat eaters can’t snaffle all the vegetarian food, leaving the vegetarians with nothing suitable. Also, it means the servers don’t have to worry so much about which spoon they use for which dish, making it easier for them.

SoySaucePls · 24/11/2023 13:51

IndividualMini · 24/11/2023 11:01

But the organisers ask people for their dietary requirements and cater accordingly. If only 10 people said they need gluten free items they aren't going to get a huge amount of those items, so naturally if people who don't need it start taking from them it's going to leave those people short. It's not rocket science, surely.

The organisers should be vetting people taking stuff then.

It's on them, not you, to police the problem.

jlpth · 24/11/2023 13:51

Plenty of people would just see food, pick it up and eat it. Let's say you're hungry, there are no foods that you don't like/don't eat, you have no dietary reqs (and are unfamiliar with the related problems) - plenty of people in that situation won't read the labels - just grab and go.

Perhaps you should let the people in charge know that for next time, they need to send an email in advance saying "GF, nut free, vegan etc has been specifically catered for those who asked so please can everyone else get food from the general section" or whatever

feelingcrapaboutlife · 24/11/2023 13:52

If you have such specific needs then they should be plated up and cling filmed and kept separately, or you can provide your own. Its entitled to think that others can't eat something just because its gluten free or vegan but on an open buffet.

CornishGem1975 · 24/11/2023 13:52

I think YABU calling veganism a dietary requirement, I don't think it's in the same category as dairy-free or gluten-free, it's a dietary preference if anything. It's a bugbear for me as I have to arrange catering for events and will have people put "I don't like mushrooms" in the dietary requirements. Sorry, I am not catering for that. You don't like it, don't eat it. Not the same as not being able to eat it...

I am a 'meat eater' but I'll quite often have the vegetarian option because I like it and I have a balanced diet, that mixes between meat and non-meat meals.

Normally as others have said, where this a dietary requirements caterers have these options separately, but not for vegan/veggie, it's a free for all.