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to ask that my daughter be removed from a certain teachers lessons, but remain entered for a GCSE?

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LolaLouise · 23/11/2023 15:26

Not that im even sure that is possible?

My daughter has issues with a specific teacher at school. She is year 10 GCSE age. She has zero issues in any other lesson. She regularly gets the class award for most achievement points achieved that week, she got the house leader award for the half term, she is a student voice rep for her house, she has positive feedback, and is working at grade 7+ in every subject, including the lesson being discussed.

My daughter and this teacher had a "falling out" last school year when the teacher, accidentally, opened an email concerning my daughters private life onto the whiteboard for the whole class to see. My daughter was very upset and angry about this, and quite rightfully in my opinion, voiced this upset and asked that the teacher apologised. The teacher took the stance of "Im not apologising to a student" and for the remainder of the year my daughter did the bare minimum for this subject and work in lessons, and her homework was half arsed. This school year, after talking to my DD at length over summer about how sometimes you may feel you are owed an apology, but you wont always get it, sometimes you need to draw a line under events and start a fresh, my daughter tried just that. Her school book is very thorough, very neat, homework was taken seriously, and she is doing extra revision or pre reading as the focus of the lesson changes. However, the teacher has not done the same. She continues to pick my daughter up for anything, handing out detentions etc for minor situations, shouting and screaming at her (and the entire class by all accounts) for no reason. My daughter has come home in tears multiple times over how this teacher has treated her in the lesson. She posted negative feedback on the parent portal that is so unbelievably petty. The only negative behavioural points my daughter has had all school year are from this one teacher.

Despite this, as i said, my daughter does all her work in this subject, homework up to date, and high predicted grades. The teacher has now expressed she wants my daughter removed from this GCSE entirely subject (which i have been made aware of by the head of year) and placed on another she has no interest in at all, and is more vocational than academic, and also doesnt lead into what she wants to do at A level unlike this subject. I have stated categorically that my daughter is not to be removed from this subject against her wishes, when her grades are good, if they cant provide an alternative teacher - ill tutor her myself as it is a subject area i have an MSc in already. It is clear to me the relationship between her and this teacher is beyond repair, if it is causing this much upset for my daughter, and the teacher if she is requesting my daughter is removed from the course, surely having her remain entered, but privately tutored is a workable solution?

OP posts:
VickyEadieofThigh · 24/11/2023 14:22

Headband · 24/11/2023 14:19

Same here

It wasn't the pupil's email account. RTFT.

donquixotedelamancha · 24/11/2023 14:37

@LolaLouise Could you clarify what exactly makes you think this teacher is picking on your child? They are applying the behaviour policy and giving detentions- are you saying those incidents are made up?

You say this relationship can't be repaired but you haven't said why. Have you met with the teacher, your daughter and a senior teacher? Do you punish your daughter when she disrupts the class?

You talk a lot about this one incident last year- I think you need to focus on fixing the specific problems now. If your daughter is harming the education of others (whatever her reasons) it can't be allowed to continue.

It would be unusual to let a student opt out of lessons but still take a GCSE. The school would be quite within their rights to remove your daughter from the subject of she's persistently disruptive.

NewShoes · 24/11/2023 14:48

Teacher here. Just to give my perspective, I would be disciplined for opening a confidential email about a student in front of other students, and I have no doubt that the Head would make me apologise to the student for doing so. Anything less is not acceptable, and as a parent I would be asking for a formal meeting to discuss, and if unresolved complaining to the governors.

LolaLouise · 24/11/2023 15:12

donquixotedelamancha · 24/11/2023 14:37

@LolaLouise Could you clarify what exactly makes you think this teacher is picking on your child? They are applying the behaviour policy and giving detentions- are you saying those incidents are made up?

You say this relationship can't be repaired but you haven't said why. Have you met with the teacher, your daughter and a senior teacher? Do you punish your daughter when she disrupts the class?

You talk a lot about this one incident last year- I think you need to focus on fixing the specific problems now. If your daughter is harming the education of others (whatever her reasons) it can't be allowed to continue.

It would be unusual to let a student opt out of lessons but still take a GCSE. The school would be quite within their rights to remove your daughter from the subject of she's persistently disruptive.

My DD is blamed for everything in class even if she wasnt involved, she has received multiple detentions, most recently, for saying "yo" to another student instead of yes when someone said her name, for kneeling on a chair, DD has a toilet pass for her medical condition, she was placed in detention for taking longer than 3 minutes when she had come on her period, flooded, and have to change her clothes and clean herself up, this was explained to the teacher and she insisted the detention still remained, there was another similar incodent when she was late to class as she was talking to another teacher after a lesson, the other teacher supported this that it wasnt my DD's fault she was late, but she was still given a detention. There was some other the head of year has now removed from her portal so the negative points no longer count. These have been backed up by friends of my DD who have agreed my DD is treated unfairly by the teacher. However i fully understand these are her friends so biased accounts also.

I have met and spoken with both this teacher and others repeatedly. My daughter is not disruptive, this has not been mentioned in any of the posts on the portal, nor in meetings. She argued she doesnt engage in the work. Whilst this was true last year, she did the work expected of her but to the minimal level, she didnt seek out additional learning if she didnt know a homework answer, and she stopped putting her hand up in class and contributing. She was not disruptive, or rude, or attitude filled though, thats just not my daughters personality. She is nerdy, into books and graphic novels, would spend a weekend watching anime or criminal minds etc, she quiet, reserved, but she has a strong sense of what is right and is stubborn and strong wiled when she wants to be. She has never been disrespectful to this teacher infront of a class, she just stopped trying and put in no extra effort. She now does, she makes her own revision cards and posters at home, she makes cornell notes for lessons after i taught her the method a while ago. She isnt an obnoxious loud personality. Shes never really been in trouble at school which is why this is upsetting her so much and affecting her when she gets home.

So no, i dont punish her for disrupting a class, because that isnt what she is doing.

I explained this incident seems to be the catalyst, prior to that where was no issues with this teacher, all parents meetings were positive about her attitude to learning and her natural ability in this subject. The only reason i can see for this is the teacher did not take kindly to being asked to apologise by a teenager. Its feels more like she is holding a grudge. And being the adult and person in power in this relationship, it also does fall on the teacher IMO to make some effort in repairing it, which she isnt showing any willingness to do, instead, she wants her out of the class (im guessing here, but i think it is because i have contacted the school regarding this numerous times, her solution to shutting me up is to no longer have my DD in her lesson, that is pure speculation however)

This also isnt me wanting to remove her from a lesson, the teacher has expressed this, i am asking if that happens, can i request that she stay entered into that subject, rather than be forced into another one, and i either help her learn the curriculum myself, or pay for private tutoring. A lot have said that maybe this is unreasonable, and i should consider entering her privately instead of asking the school to keep her entered, which is fair and i take that on board, and i will look into doing that.

OP posts:
LatteLady · 24/11/2023 15:22

OK, I am writing this in my capacity as a Chair of Governors and as such, when you have your meeting next week, you ask for a copy of the complaints policy. You have engaged with the teacher and their line mgr and therefore the complaint goes to the HT. Your complaint no longer centres on the lack of apology but on the behaviour of the staff member. No teacher, and yes their may be exceptions with regard to physical violence, gets to pick and chose who is in their set to teach. However you are a bit of a dream, as far as school complaints are concerned because you not only have the complaint but you also have a viable solution.

If the HT does not uphold your complaint and you do not agree with the reasoning, you have the option to then and only then refer it to a GB panel for investigation... and yes, you can appeal that to, but only on grounds of lack of due process. I hope that this is helpful.

LatteLady · 24/11/2023 15:24

And, for good measure, ask for a copy of their GDPR policy... as I would consider her accidental showing of the information, a breach.

Cosyblankets · 24/11/2023 15:33

You need a joint meeting with the teacher, your daughter, head of year or head of pastoral.
If you think her doing private study will be enough then insist that they enter her at the school. Yes you can be a private candidate but it's up to you to find a centre. They may not accept get because she then becomes part of their statistics in the league table and they don't know anything about her only that things were so bad she was removed from the lesson. Is the timetable done for next year yet? What if there is travel involved because there's, say this subject in the morning and maths in the afternoon?
She needs to sit the exam in her own school

Direstraightsagain · 24/11/2023 20:52

It sounds like your daughter is at a really good school and is likely to do well.
She should have got an apology and didn’t
You only have one side of the story re what has happened since the mistake
Good grades don’t always go hand in hand with good behaviours.
Reporting the school for GDPR breach is questionable. I’d imagine putting the school through that process is self sabotage for your daughter and the good of the school. GDPR covers this but isn’t really meant for this scenario: more identity theft, financial crime etc.
reporting a teacher for inadvertently putting up a personal email is taking it quite far. And I don’t think you’ll get what you need to live on:
id make a complaint to the school to get a formal response: if the teacher was being unreasonable then I’d be surprised if the head of year would support the teacher so perhaps there are some poor behaviours going on you’re not aware of. A complaint will get to the bottom of this. And then if you’re not happy to can go to the LA

GuessItsANameChange · 24/11/2023 22:40

Direstraightsagain · 24/11/2023 20:52

It sounds like your daughter is at a really good school and is likely to do well.
She should have got an apology and didn’t
You only have one side of the story re what has happened since the mistake
Good grades don’t always go hand in hand with good behaviours.
Reporting the school for GDPR breach is questionable. I’d imagine putting the school through that process is self sabotage for your daughter and the good of the school. GDPR covers this but isn’t really meant for this scenario: more identity theft, financial crime etc.
reporting a teacher for inadvertently putting up a personal email is taking it quite far. And I don’t think you’ll get what you need to live on:
id make a complaint to the school to get a formal response: if the teacher was being unreasonable then I’d be surprised if the head of year would support the teacher so perhaps there are some poor behaviours going on you’re not aware of. A complaint will get to the bottom of this. And then if you’re not happy to can go to the LA

Based on the OP’s most recent post even another teacher and the Head of Year think the problem teacher is being unreasonable in at least some instances.

Its never prudent to go in all guns blazing on the assumption that everything related, by a parent to a child, is accurate but let’s be real - the teacher sounds like an enormous, entitled arsehole and a vindictive bully who is bad at their job. The OP, on the other hand, is being extremely reasonable.

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