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To expect a £1 per house raise in April?

15 replies

dessicatedblackbird · 21/11/2023 17:00

I am on £11.50 per hour, I have more responsibility to earn that extra £1 over NMW.

In April I expect to have that same increase over NMW.

Talking to my team leader who earns £1 more than me, she expects the same.

So will everyone get a £1 an hour increase, if they do prices will go up so the benefit of the £1 will be lost.

AIBU to expect the same wage increase as those on NMW?

OP posts:
TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 21/11/2023 17:01

You need to ask your employer.

WhereWhoWhen · 21/11/2023 17:03

This is why managing inflation is so complex.

It's difficult to know what to do for the best

AlexandraPeppernose · 21/11/2023 17:10

Nope. Employees can't afford it.

I've slogged my guts out for the past few years in terms of education, training and strategic job searches and every year I just slide down the ladder again.
If I'd stayed in my minimum wage job from 2019 I could have had a 6k pay rise by April for just showing up.

After 20 years of working nmw I truly believe everyone is entitled to a fair wage however it's getting to a point where there is no incentive to try to get a better job or improve one's prospects as there is no financial benefit.

dessicatedblackbird · 21/11/2023 17:13

*hour!! I'd like one house!

I will of course ask my employer, but I can't see how I will be better off even if I get £1 extra as everyone else will as well.

It is far too complex for me, but my extra pound per hour does mean a lot of extra work/responsibility, I would rather drop back to NMW (very limited progression amyway)

OP posts:
RagzRebooted · 21/11/2023 17:24

A lot of workplaces are going to be having these conversations it think.
I work in a GP surgery. Our reception/admin staff are on minimum wage. Last year our employers generously gave a 2% payrise, shortly before min. wage went up to more than that anyway. Same will happen now. We're apparently all getting a 6% raise next month (government announced it, we wouldn't otherwise), but come April the min. wage increase will again cancel that out (and exceed it).
Our lowest paid staff should definitely be on more than minimum wage for the job they do. But the gap between their pay and others is now narrowing. We had an HCA leave for better pay earlier in the year and have only just managed to recruit a replacement (on £11.50ph) as the pay isn't great. But even then they've traditionally been on about £1 an hour more than admin staff.

For anyone on around £1 more than minimum wage now, seeing their wage stay the same while others get a 10% increase is going to cause resentment. But many employers can't afford to bump everyone up £1 to compensate.

Catza · 21/11/2023 17:25

dessicatedblackbird · 21/11/2023 17:13

*hour!! I'd like one house!

I will of course ask my employer, but I can't see how I will be better off even if I get £1 extra as everyone else will as well.

It is far too complex for me, but my extra pound per hour does mean a lot of extra work/responsibility, I would rather drop back to NMW (very limited progression amyway)

What do you mean "everyone else will"? No business is obligated to increase people's wages proportionally to NMW increase. I highly suspect only people in NMW will see the increase. In the last few years I saw my professional wage getting ever closer to the NMW. If it wasn't for the job satisfaction, I am not sure I would have bothered with 5 years in higher education.

dcsp · 21/11/2023 17:56

The whole point of the minimum wage to reduce wage inequality - and I think it's great if an increase in the minimum brings the lowest-earners up closer to what an average-or high-earner makes.

But it's rubbish when an increase ends up almost completely eroding pay differentials for those who're currently earning just above it.

That rant aside... OP if your employer pays you poorly and there's limited opportunities for progression, maybe time to look elsewhere?

OhNoForever · 21/11/2023 17:59

I work for a fairly large company on 11.50 and my manager thinks I will go up to 12.50 when the mw goes up.
Like you I have a lot of responsibility for my extra 1.10 an hour and would not be pleased with any less than that over mw.

Littlebitpsycho · 21/11/2023 18:44

This is the problem with constantly raising the minimum wage.

There will always be jobs that are less well paid because they are unskilled

If we keep raising the NMW, eventually skilled workers won't be earning any more than the unskilled - and why would you bother?

The doctors and nurses and teachers of tomorrow (and even today) will think well sod it, why should I slog my guts out and spend years at university when I can go and stack shelves in Asda for the same money, better hours and less stress?

RosaGallica · 21/11/2023 19:10

^Especially when you have to pay to train up nowadays. There’s no point to end up with a load of debt if you’re getting the same pay - and for much more stressful and skilful jobs.

icelollycraving · 21/11/2023 19:16

Some employers will just not replace leavers if NMW gets too high. Lots of places in my industry have less staff because it needs to be productive, so would cover less hours with slightly better pay. The employees then buzz about like blue arsed flies.
There will always be jobs where you get paid not particularly well, but there is some levelling up now.

kitsuneghost · 21/11/2023 19:33

Employers won't give a pay rise based on NMW. they will give pay rises based on their own criteria (unless their staff are on NMW.

however our lower paid graduates got a bit of a raise last time to keep them slightly above. But that was the company's decision.

QueenOfMOHO · 21/11/2023 19:47

I'm delighted that the NMW is increasing but just to put in perspective, one of my DC is a degree educated nurse. In intensive care.
It is literally life and death stuff.
They get paid £13.45 per hour.
Maybe they should just go and get £12.50 as a carer instead? It would surely be less stressful

kitsuneghost · 21/11/2023 20:44

QueenOfMOHO · 21/11/2023 19:47

I'm delighted that the NMW is increasing but just to put in perspective, one of my DC is a degree educated nurse. In intensive care.
It is literally life and death stuff.
They get paid £13.45 per hour.
Maybe they should just go and get £12.50 as a carer instead? It would surely be less stressful

Not sure I would call a carer less stressful

Seaglass7 · 29/11/2023 07:17

I’m also pleased that the NMW is increasing but I will be asking my employer for a pay rise!

I’m currently earning £13.00 ph, for a job I’m very good at, with many years experience! The gap is narrowing every year though! I also went at least 3.5 years without a pay increase!

Finger’s crossed he’ll listen!

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