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Does someone with narcissistic traits ever change?

21 replies

mybubblesmine · 16/11/2023 20:59

Just that really...

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BearFacedCheekGrylls · 16/11/2023 21:00

No

mybubblesmine · 16/11/2023 21:08

BearFacedCheekGrylls · 16/11/2023 21:00

No

I didn't think so

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ssd · 16/11/2023 21:26

Christ no.

deflection · 16/11/2023 21:27

Nope and often gets worse

mybubblesmine · 16/11/2023 21:47

I just wondered if they lose everything after treating someone so badly then they will learn not to do it again

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Densol57 · 16/11/2023 21:50

Yes they change at first when its important to them to catch / snare their next victim
That change only lasts as long as the victim is trapped
Then all bets off

and that cycle continues on and on

bethepeace · 16/11/2023 21:56

mybubblesmine · 16/11/2023 21:47

I just wondered if they lose everything after treating someone so badly then they will learn not to do it again

I know someone who has essentially lost everything after treating someone very badly indeed (investigated by the police it was so bad) and no, doesn't seem to have changed or taken any responsibility at all!

Catsafterme · 16/11/2023 21:57

I thought this a while ago, I wonder if now will be the defining moment where they see they are in the wrong now that they have burnt all their bridges.

Nope. Just doubled down with compulsive lies and manipulation, continuing to be the victim. Makes no sense, everything is illogical yet sees it as truth....mental.

There is no helping someone who won't help themselves or face reality.

mybubblesmine · 16/11/2023 22:00

Their apologies and promises of change only seem sincere if they are trying to win you back I guess

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Borris · 16/11/2023 22:01

No. Because when they lose everything it's not their fault ....

Catsafterme · 16/11/2023 22:04

Yes, until they don't want you back and throw you away like rubbish, like you never existed. Should you have any ties with them that doesn't allow them to do that, they can turn and try to destroy you completely to obtain it all for themselves.

unsync · 16/11/2023 22:09

Of course not. They are perfect and nothing is ever their fault. Changing would require accepting fault and taking responsibility for their actions. That's just not going to happen. Run, don't walk.

mybubblesmine · 16/11/2023 22:10

unsync · 16/11/2023 22:09

Of course not. They are perfect and nothing is ever their fault. Changing would require accepting fault and taking responsibility for their actions. That's just not going to happen. Run, don't walk.

Again they only seem remorseful and tell you they will change when winning you back. If you don't back down then it's back to being your fault again. That's right isn't it?

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Sago1 · 16/11/2023 22:13

My mother was a narc, she never changed, she just became more evil and more dangerous.
My life since she died has been so much happier.

Notthisone · 16/11/2023 22:15

In a word, No!
Personality traits are part of a person, whilst some can be worked on narcissistic ones are usually extremely difficult if not impossible to modify.
They will always apologies, make false assurances and promises but the long and short of it is they will never change

quivers · 16/11/2023 22:15

No.

It's in their nature and written through them like a stick of rock.

bombastix · 16/11/2023 22:15

No. They get much worse as they age. A sort of nightmare for a partner as they drag you down too. It's pretty common, unpleasant narc with the mouse quiet spouse.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 16/11/2023 22:16

mybubblesmine · 16/11/2023 21:47

I just wondered if they lose everything after treating someone so badly then they will learn not to do it again

No!! They will blame the other person and be a victim - look up DARVO. They will use this sob story to reel in their next victim

mybubblesmine · 16/11/2023 22:16

bombastix · 16/11/2023 22:15

No. They get much worse as they age. A sort of nightmare for a partner as they drag you down too. It's pretty common, unpleasant narc with the mouse quiet spouse.

Yes this was me. He was loud, confident, would speak to anyone. A proper talker. I'm the opposite

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MaryMcI · 16/11/2023 22:18

Borris · 16/11/2023 22:01

No. Because when they lose everything it's not their fault ....

That’s what I was going to say.

Angrymum22 · 16/11/2023 22:20

My MIL is a narc. She lost FIL last year and is quite elderly but still able to drive. DH is pretty much NC and since having a stroke finds it even more difficult to be around her. He has always been the scapegoat and is treated very differently than her other 3 sons.
I saw her this week, through work, and she was super pleasant for a short while, then started to get annoyed with me because my DS hasn’t been to see her for months.

He’s 19 and drives but has
distanced himself over the last couple of years. I’ve no idea why since I have tried not to influence his relationship with MIL. But I guess she has been narc with him at some time.

As a grandmother she has been great when the grandchildren were young. She soaked up their love but as they are becoming adults they have seen the “other side” and DS is quite intuitive. He studied A level psychology and I suspect he has worked out the dynamic. He has always been overshadowed by his slightly younger cousin who is the same school year. Over the pandemic we were unaware of the mental health problems this cousin was developing so when we visited his GM to tell her how he’d got on with his GCSEs he naturally asked how his cousin had done. She had to admit he hadn’t taken them which was a surprise and although DS was sorry to hear about his cousin, on our way home he quietly said “ at least grandma won’t be comparing us anymore”. I thought this was quite telling.

Anyway, the other day she kept on pushing me re him visiting, I couldn’t give her a reason, but I did ask her when she was likely to be in. She reeled off days she was in but specifically ruled out one evening because she goes to a club, that club is held in the village hall we live next door to.
So it’s alright for her to drive past our front door every week but never once arrives a little earlier to pop in and see us. We’ve never had an issue with anyone dropping in and since DH had his stroke she has been round just twice to see him, she lives a mile away.

Narcs don’t change, they wax and wane. The anger is never far from the surface although they have tremendous control over it when around new people or people they need to impress.
We know that if we drop in unannounced we have about an hour before the narc comments start. We have a prearranged signal so we can leave before it gets too unpleasant.

I do feel really sorry for my MIL I don’t think she gets on well with any of the family now.

Unfortunately she caused a rift by selling her house to her golden child who now lives with her. It was done without the knowledge of the rest of the family, it has allowed us to offload all caring onto him. I don’t think that he thought it through, well only the financial gain, but we all make our own bed.

In my experience my MIL is the same as she has always been, a manipulative, gaslighting and sometimes cruel woman, but to the outside world she can be charming.

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