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To keep their deposit!!

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LivFG · 15/11/2023 03:20

DH and I have a couple of properties we rent out. We have been renting to a young couple who always seemed like good tenants. We gave them notice a couple of months ago as we are going to start renting on AirBnB instead as DH thinks we will get more money (don't get me started).

Anyway, they moved out on Saturday and everything seemed fine. Today I went to get everything cleaned and I found (what I think to be) weed residue next to the sink. I'm Furious. I feel completely violated and uncomfortable being inside the property. I'm sick with worry that they have been using illegal drugs in my home and what the legal ramifications could be!!

Obviously we have their deposit. I was planning to refund it this week. After my discovery today, I now feel incredibly reluctant to make any sort of refund. The idea of supporting/funding their lifestyle makes me very uncomfortable. And they never would have been given permission to abuse my property in this way.

DH seems to think none of this is a problem and seems to completely miss the point - it isn't about cleaning it up - it's about the abuse of our trust.

AIBU?

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JFabschair84 · 16/11/2023 16:58

I think you're being ridiculous. No one is saying using a rented property for illegal activity is ok but in all seriousness if all they have done is smoked a bit of weed, then even the police are not going to do anything about that. If it's upset you as much as your posts suggest then I think you need to seek help because it sounds very irrantional.
On a separate note, unless you got it tested, you can't actually prove it was 'weed residue'. Maybe they just spilled a jar of oregano while cooking?!

OneTC · 16/11/2023 16:59

Thread is one of the most resounding YABUs ever Grin

Katbum · 16/11/2023 17:00

OP is surely a kind of Alan Partridge persona for the online landlord - this cannot be real!

squirrelnutkin10 · 16/11/2023 17:02

WILLOWCRAFT
Only about half of those are legal requirements (although it does vary in different council areas)

Also I have never moved into a spotlessly clean rental. They vary between filthy with drug paraphernalia everywhere to the quick wipe, hoover and air freshener (but with shit encrusted under the toilet seat). They do always try to deduct money for cleaning though, however spotless you leave it.

I am very surprised you have never been in a clean rental, why would you take it if it is a shithole?
Unless there is an extreme shortage of properties (as is currently the case but this is fairly recently)

I have been a LL from the south west up to London over many years, and have never let a property that has not had a professional clean, and usually a redecorate to a good standard, as l want to attract house proud tenants who appreciate it and will look after it.

flippertyflipster · 16/11/2023 17:13

If you’ve taken a deposit then it’s not ‘informal’. You have broken the law by not putting it in the deposit scheme. I have refunded all my deposits as they’ve all been very reliable tenants apart from one couple who left a cellar full of crap and dirty underwear on the floor, but I could only retain money incurred for cleaners and someone to come and clear the cellar. Also, if they were heavy weed smokers the house would stink.

SeaMonkeysTookMyMoney · 16/11/2023 17:18

Personally I can't stand weed and wouldn't want it smoked in my property either so I do understand your frustrations there. But you don't know it is weed, there is no damage to the property that wouldn't be considered normal wear and tear and the property doesn't reek of weed requiring specialist cleaning so you have absolutely no reason to even consider keeping their deposit. You honestly come across like the worst kind of landlords.

Petal34 · 16/11/2023 17:20

I feel like this has possibly got to be a joke post. I really can’t get my head around why you have evicted two good tenants to go on air bnb.

I assume these tenants have always paid their rent and you have inspected the house and everything is fine apart from some unconfirmed ‘weed residue’.

Just you wait until you air bnb. Trust me, if you are this upset by weed residue, there are going to be residues you couldn’t imagine in your wildest dreams waiting for you.

By the way, pretty sure the couple can claim compensation you for not putting their deposit in a scheme. Honestly, I hope they do.

MerryTraveller · 16/11/2023 17:23

Out of interest, since you didn't bother protecting the deposit, did you pay tax on the rental income? It doesn't matter that you charged under market rate; did you pay tax on the income?

Anywherebuthere · 16/11/2023 17:25

LivFG · 15/11/2023 04:22

I was in tears earlier. It might not come across well, but this has all really shaken and upset me.

Surely doing anything illegal in the property would count as a breach of tenancy? Or you can just rent anything, start doing illegal activities, and that's okay now?

Seems like you've lived an extremely sheltered and privileged life if this has shaken and reduced you to tears.

Can't be bothered to read the rest.

Stop looking for excuses to justify keeping the deposit . Give it back and be done with it.

aSofaNearYou · 16/11/2023 17:30

Wow, you were being totally unreasonable, and I'd think worse of you for doing this than I would of them for smoking weed - if they actually did, which I find unlikely as most wouldn't leave it on the side.

NojudgementGem · 16/11/2023 17:30

I’m very confused at what possible ramifications you can think of? There would be far worse consequences of not returning a deposit and of not using the deposit protection scheme. No one is going to come knocking on your door because someone might have once smoked a joint. The house clearly doesn’t smell of weed or you would have noticed it. YABVU

Bruceyalice · 16/11/2023 17:31

Just to add - if this is in the UK, then marijuana is even available on prescription. I’m looking at a tub of weed this minute, that arrived by medical courier, with a fully legal prescription. For all you know they weren’t even doing anything illegal even if it was weed. They respected your property, the least you could do is respect their privacy and life choices now they’ve been (let’s face it) evicted over your desire for more money.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 16/11/2023 17:36

squirrelnutkin10 · 16/11/2023 17:02

WILLOWCRAFT
Only about half of those are legal requirements (although it does vary in different council areas)

Also I have never moved into a spotlessly clean rental. They vary between filthy with drug paraphernalia everywhere to the quick wipe, hoover and air freshener (but with shit encrusted under the toilet seat). They do always try to deduct money for cleaning though, however spotless you leave it.

I am very surprised you have never been in a clean rental, why would you take it if it is a shithole?
Unless there is an extreme shortage of properties (as is currently the case but this is fairly recently)

I have been a LL from the south west up to London over many years, and have never let a property that has not had a professional clean, and usually a redecorate to a good standard, as l want to attract house proud tenants who appreciate it and will look after it.

There’s been a shortage of rental properties where I live for around 15 years.

That has actually lessened in the last few years as two HAs had a large building campaign and the movement from private to social rented gave a lot of really scummy landlords a rough time as people could decline their shitholes, whereas people were desperate before that.

Helleboreplant · 16/11/2023 17:37

Ha can’t wait for you to run a uv light around and find body fluids.

you are a huuuuge AH

by law the deposit has to be protected. They are there to protect both parties.

you have to give the deposit back. A bit of weed/dirt/oregano isn’t going to destroy your home. You should be doing a clean between tenancies anyway.

can’t belive you think you can keep a whole deposit for some plant material.

you didn’t protect the deposit I’m disgusted at that.

Helleboreplant · 16/11/2023 17:39

Yeah this is ridiculous. Its (might be) weed not bloody cocaine spoons.

weed is legal with a prescription so time to get over it.

Helleboreplant · 16/11/2023 17:39

Have fun with people having sex parties and porn in your air bnb

BeckyBoo1224 · 16/11/2023 17:41

I'm glad you're not my landlady YABVU.

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momtoboys · 16/11/2023 18:03

PonyPatter44 · 15/11/2023 22:48

For me, the best bit of this whole thread is Trish's random dressing gown posts!

Or the hug!! 😂This thread has kept me laughing for two days now!

Maverickess · 16/11/2023 18:06

It'd be something if an LL behaving like this were so unheard of that this could only be a joke or a wind up. Sadly for those of us who've experienced similar as tenants it's all too believable!
Some LLs have the attitude that they're doing their tenants some massive favour, like they get nothing from the whole arrangement and that clearly they are better than the tenants because they own property and the tenants are renting.

Sounds to me that's exactly the attitude OP has, despite actually admitting breaking the law herself (to which she responded to being told that "the world has gone mad" and shouldn't have needed telling because she should know as an LL) wanting to keep the deposit she hasn't protected because she doesn't want to support the tenants 'lifestyle' despite the fact that she's only got her supposition to support that suspicion (because as tenants it must be weed right?!) And the fact it's their money to start with, so she's actually returning what is theirs after they return what is hers. And that as it's their money she has no right to withhold it because she doesn't agree with the lifestyle she's decided they have - she's not doing them a favour by returning the money no more than they're doing her a favour returning the house!

And I would think that an 'informal' let means no other legalities have been observed including paying tax on the income from the rent or a tenancy agreement and safety checks. And the 'below market rent' is because of all that and the fact it's all been done under the table as it were.

She still thinks she's in the right for no other reason than she owns the property.

Granted she's refunded the deposit now, but clearly because she's realised that she'd be in deep shit if she didn't and tried to withhold it and if people started actually looking at the rental in any detail then she'd likely have to face the concequences of what she's been doing. So another completely self serving act.

I really hope that your previous tenants somehow get wind of the unfounded allegations and the fact you didn't protect their deposit and report you for not doing so anyway. It's the least you deserve to face the concequences of your own actions.

And you're really going to struggle with hosting holiday makers, the general public, the guest and customer with the attitude you have. They're a lot more demanding and picky than long term tenants and you're going to get some where nothing is good enough, where they're actively looking for something to complain about and if they don't find it, then they'll make it up (pretty much what you've done here with your tenants) and they expect you to put it right immediately or give compensation. You're not going to enjoy not being top dog there, you'll be providing a service and expected to provide that and more on demand. And you'll face the shitty reviews when you don't, and people aren't afraid to let rip on reviews either!

And that's before you get to the people who will trash the place, have parties, use actual drugs and leave you with the mess, smoke inside and leave their ash and cig ends wherever they like.

I'd suggest selling the place tbh because you're clearly not cut out for being a landlord of any description.

MyopicInstransigence · 16/11/2023 18:12

Not just unreasonable but idiotic, illegal, controlling, self important, jumped up and retarded. Can I steal someone's money because I suspect they may have smoked weed, oddly no? Did you grow up in the 1940s? You're not fit to be a landlord, and I speak as a landlord.

Harperhan · 16/11/2023 18:13

Legally you have no right to keep the deposit unless it is for damages (wear and tear not included). Weed is the new alcohol to the younger generation and I really wouldn’t worry about it at all. They have gone without any issue, so chill and move on.

Lifetooshort23 · 16/11/2023 18:16

Pahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha. You are honestly the most ridiculous person I’ve heard about in a LONG time 😂 this last comment from you seals it! Accepting drug paraphernalia at the front door and attracting drug dealers 😂😂😂 honestly you are utterly ridiculous!

MyopicInstransigence · 16/11/2023 18:18

this is a wind up isn't it? No one is this utterly moronic. Do you live in a Doris Day movie? I'd give up being a landlord, if the residue of a bit of weed has you in tears, the state I've found after tenants will have you in a padded cell princess.

momtoboys · 16/11/2023 18:18

SerafinasGoose · 16/11/2023 12:09

This thread belongs in 'Classics' with the Mexican house thief.

An instant Classic! This has to be a windup. No one could take this abuse and not delete the thread unless they wanted it continued! Brava!

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