Page 9 | Right to buy - grossly unfair on private renters and private home owners

Winterday1991 · 2023-11-14T15:57:29+00:00

Is it just me or is RTB grossly unfair. People that already have cheap subsidised rent and a secure tenancy can get over to £105k off the market value of their council property. This seems so unfair to us who have to brought in the private market at full market price and private renters who often do not have secure long term tenancies. Why should the public subsidise this?

Leah5678 · 15/11/2023 20:46

Princessbananahamock · 14/11/2023 17:35

@Teapot32 every bloody time this old tripe gets rolled out “so unfair, not paying marKet rent, we are subsidising them” Ffs people need to just stfu. Here’s a few facts

I have NEVER had a new bathroom or kitchen! If you are lucky enough it’s the cheapest type nothing fancy or nice like private rents. Ffs
private rents are higher cause the renters are paying a landlord’s mortgage!
The only maintenance I get is a boiler service once a year. If something happens yes they come out to fix…….eventually like my fire escape window upstairs I reported broken start of October (common fault that happens with double glazing) my appointment is in December.
They are not decorated when you move in ,no carpets NOTHING! Gardens are more than likely very overgrown. You are responsible for everything.
You can’t move exactly where you want it’s a bit of a lottery. So if you get horrible neighbours well you’re buggered.

I so want to live in the ivory towers/cloud cuckoo land that some do. You also don’t contribute as a tax payer unless you earn in excess of £100k per annum. Under that amount you take out what you put in. NHS Education and so on.

It’s really pisses me of when you get judgy sorry jealous people going on about it every fucking year like it’s a new thing. Rant over

Boo boo you pay half the rent private renters pay 😂😂 must be so hard for you

AllWeWantToDo · 15/11/2023 21:12

Leah5678 · 15/11/2023 20:46

Boo boo you pay half the rent private renters pay 😂😂 must be so hard for you

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🙄 that would be nice

vernatheraven · 15/11/2023 22:00

If the HA were on top of repairs and the houses were all like private rentals and decent then I would agree that the RTB should be redundant.

But they are not.

Lots of us have had to pay significant amounts to bring these up to standard.

So if you have had to plough money in then why shouldn't you use the RTB

Leah5678 · 15/11/2023 22:46

AllWeWantToDo · 15/11/2023 21:12

🙄 that would be nice

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It's true though 🤷🏻‍♀️ where I live a two bed apartment is over a grand a month privately. If my landlord sells I'm screwed. I know council tenants paying 500 for a three bedroom house. It's not their fault they have it easy and I don't blame them. But can you really blame private renters for being pissed off and jealous

Squoo · 17/11/2023 19:29

Well if you end up being evicted every 6 months until you've spent all your savings and can't afford a deposit/moving costs for another new tenancy and wind up being housed (that's how I ended up with mine, it wasn't fun and I get the stress, I really do!) you might find you change your perspective and lay the blame where it's due. On the system that doesn't provide enough or replace social housing, rather than take away often the only chink of light from those who have already lost it all and are trying to scrape their way back up! You might be one of them one day!!

And yes I work full time as a single mother! And no I haven't had a new kitchen or bathroom gifted to me in the 10 years I've lived here!

The anger on this thread is all to cock, it really is. Why aren't we demanding more and better social housing and a sustainable replacement scheme, then more would benefit. We should be taking to the streets!

karenute · 17/11/2023 19:58

I got a council house tenant when I was a pregnant single mum fleeing DV. The flat was in quite a run down estate in central London, and had a reputation for gang wars, though I was never affected by it. It was over 20 years ago and it's gentrified a lot since then. I bought it through RTB 2 years ago and got a discount of £112k.

It might seem unfair but then again all the tenants on the estate have had unfortunate life circumstances in some way or another, usually in more than one way (DV, severe MH issues, other disabilities, disabled dc, being in care or prison, addictions). The waiting lists are so long that it's only those with the highest needs who get housed. It's terribly unfair that they've had all of those bad experiences and haven't been able to have a more straightforward life path with leaving education and getting a good job that would allow them to rent or buy on the open market. I dont think the unfairness of RTB is any worse than the unfairness of other inequalities in society.

Squoo · 17/11/2023 20:01

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TizerorFizz · 17/11/2023 23:10

I don’t entirely see that everyone can get a good job. Clearly they cannot. It’s not unfair, it’s the way it is. However this is the type of person social housing is for, but buying it takes it away from others who need it. It’s a vicious circle and where do you build new social housing in central London? When it’s gone, it’s gone.

AllWeWantToDo · 18/11/2023 01:14

Leah5678 · 15/11/2023 22:46

It's true though 🤷🏻‍♀️ where I live a two bed apartment is over a grand a month privately. If my landlord sells I'm screwed. I know council tenants paying 500 for a three bedroom house. It's not their fault they have it easy and I don't blame them. But can you really blame private renters for being pissed off and jealous

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Well mine certainly isn't half the rent of private .

Private renters can do the same as I did when private renting. Apply to the council 🤷‍♀️

Squoo · 18/11/2023 03:27

TizerorFizz · 17/11/2023 23:10

I don’t entirely see that everyone can get a good job. Clearly they cannot. It’s not unfair, it’s the way it is. However this is the type of person social housing is for, but buying it takes it away from others who need it. It’s a vicious circle and where do you build new social housing in central London? When it’s gone, it’s gone.

This is a fair point. And relying on always building new to replace old clearly isn't a sustainable solution long term. But not all areas offer RtB in anycase, so it's not exactly a scheme that's fair to all who are in social housing anyway! There's also a difference between right to buy and right to acquire (not sure what the difference is though).

Perhaps buying options shouldn't be limited to the house you live in. I think that's why there's been a shift towards housing associations and shared ownership schemes etc.

I'd personally like to see more self build community schemes for low cost housing like shipping containers and the like, but we're too hung up on private mass developers who make £££ and are focussed on profit.