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To ask what the country was like under a Labour government?

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user6776 · 13/11/2023 20:14

I'm too young to remember a proper Labour government. I was 12 when the Tories got voted in back in 2010 so that's all I've ever really known.

How much better was it than it is now? Why did Labour lose the election back then anyway?

Interested to hear people's opinions.

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Estermay · 14/11/2023 01:27

I have an ongoing health condition that very occasionally really flares up. It did so under labour. I rang my gp. Next day had a home visit from a nurse who assessed what I needed and put it in place. Visited hospital once a week to see a specialist for a few months.
Next time it flared up under Conservative. Rang gp and was put on a waiting list. Saw nurse three weeks later and got fortnightly visits to nurse run clinic. All other support I previously had wasn't longer available. It took me much longer to recover and I lost my job due to illness.

Estermay · 14/11/2023 01:29

It is no surprise to me that people not working due to long term sickness has soared under the Conservatives. Good public health care is good for the economy.

CatOnTheCludgy · 14/11/2023 02:40

Meandermoanda · 14/11/2023 01:11

No

The government could divert the tax credits money saved to companies as an incentive somehow. If you pay your employees enough, you get a corporation tax cut or something. To let companies absorb the cost of higher wages and stop price of goods rising

Of course economically more people earning more means more people spending more, which helps business

The Tories never get this. They keep the money at the top and strangle the economy
.

The last labour gov tried to share it out to grow the economy

Agree, tax credits - the need for them- is simply apalling. All the companies involved are making profits. And yet refuse to pay their staff decent money.
Here's an idea folks, pay your staff properly and make less profit. It's not no profit, it's just less. It is obscene. The government is basically funding these companies to under pay.

But that does feed into the 'economic growth at any cost' might not be a good idea. Which is apparently radical. But surely we can all see it's not a long long term possibility?

Therichgetricher · 14/11/2023 06:17

I agree about rose tinted glasses on this thread..life was better if you were in a position to benefit from the labour policies which in their heads were upwardly mobile aspirations that they assumed everyone would be delighted with - initiatives like the Child trust fund (which let’s face it, only worked with MC families who either knew what to do with it or had the income to add to it). Sadly this did not apply to the lower socioeconomic groups. The disincentive to work or study for young women with families did little to further along the feminist cause and in reality, kept women at home.

Sadly, the reason you now can’t get a GP appointment or find an NHS dentist started under new labour. The contracts given to GP’s (which in reality saw them paid considerably more for agreeing to do less than they were before) and conversely their dental contracts then woke dentists up to the fact that it was much more appealing to start a private practice instead. So they did. Whilst I don’t disagree that GP’s were not well rewarded at the time, the initiative did not create a load more of gps….

People like Camilla Batmanghelidjh with access to unchecked funding were lauded by The Guardian and New Labour with zero scrutiny. Unsurprisingly, fraudulent behaviour was discovered when someone took a closer look. Upset about David Cameron’s return to the cabinet? Have a read up about the return of Lord Peter Mandelson. Same shit (financial scandal/cronyism), just a different political party. Upset about who you think is running the press/directing the government? Read Piers Morgan’s diaries from that era and note how many private lunches/dinners/meetings he had with Blair and other members of the government at the time when he was the editor of the Daily Mirror. The Sun was not at the time ‘a Tory Rag’ but supported Labour.

So yeah, just like when corporations try to present they have reduced their cost base by making staff redundant only to hire them again via an agency to do the same job for more money, Labour ‘invested’ into infrastructure/public services via PFI initiatives. Who benefited from those contracts? Well it certainly wasn’t the taxpayers and certainly not by the education/health system now crippled by interest payments. Not much scrutiny at the time there either as I recall. As for the rise of the ‘buy to let’ empires, this wasn’t on the Tories watch either- Between 2000 and 2007 buy-to-let mortgages rose from 46,000 to just under 350,000. During the Blair years, 500,000 council homes were sold, replaced with 7800 on average a year. Even Thatcher’s government built around 17,800 council homes a year.

Labour had 3 terms to replace sold social housing stock, future proof the NHS, social care and education systems and the mandate to improve the national infrastructure. None of these things were achieved. In behaving like pools winners from the 70’s with a ‘spend, spend,spend’ culture, They gifted to the coalition the ability to rip out huge amounts of cost with what was considered at the time ‘waste’ because it seemed as if every initiative was both disparate and expensive. Would parts of the country benefit from Sure Start now? Of course they would, but these things have been left tainted.

I don’t know what the answer is, but it certainly isn’t the introduction of unchecked spending which benefits the already wealthy in the process. For those hoping they will, Labour won’t raise direct taxes. They didn’t before and Rachel Reeves had already stated they won’t if they win this time. What is clear is that whatever happens, the same level of scrutiny applied to this Government by various groups must continue - especially by those hoping to welcome in a Labour government.

mrscatwoman · 14/11/2023 06:27

I was devastated at the election result in 2010 as it was going to be the first time in my adult life that Tories were in power - I know it was the coalition and I know in hindsight the Lidems tempered the right-wing impulses a little, but it felt scary to me at the time. I told myself not to be silly as I couldn't expect Labour to be in power all my life and Tories wouldn't actually wreck the country. After all, I didn't agree with everything Labour did and they certainly weren't perfect...

Fuck me, after 13 years of it I really feel I can't take anymore. It's so much worse than I ever thought it would be, and my expectations were extremely low. This country is unrecognisable now. Our international reputation is shredded, our rights are diminished - I spent a good portion of my 20s flitting between here and Italy, an opportunity my children won't have, and when you walk/drive the streets and go to the supermarkets it's like we're in a third rate country. Pot-holes, homeless people, empty shelves, unaffordable prices...all so depressing. And everyone turning on each other while the Tories cash in. Taxes higher than ever and nothing at all to show for it.

Then to see Cameron strolling back in being lauded as 'a grown-up in the room,' and someone with a great reputation...It's utterly dystopian. If Keir Starmer appointed Tony Blair to something the interne would fucking explode, but Tories always get away with stuff as the bar is set so low for them.

Mylittlepea · 14/11/2023 06:30

LadyMacB · 13/11/2023 20:53

Whether you agreed or disagreed with them, the grown-ups were in charge. The calibre of politicians was significantly better (on both sides).

This. 100%

Bunch of clowns in government now. I genuinely don’t know what to vote anymore (Conservative voter here mainly because of what labour did to the country all those years ago as many posters have testified to on here.)

Cameron screwed the UK over by bringing the referendum without the majority of the British public understanding the financial implications of Brexit. Then he resigned and left us to deal with the shitstorm.

So no, I will not vote for a government with him in it. But equally, I think Starmer is a bullshitting idiot so they won’t get my vote either.

Impossible situation 🤷🏼‍♀️

FloweryName · 14/11/2023 06:39

It felt like there was money flying about everywhere under labour. Everyone had plenty of money even if they barely worked thanks to tax credits and if they wanted to work more there was a lot of support. My workplace had a steady stream of people coming in as part of the new deal for lone parents or something like that but none of them were very good or lasted very long and it was a pain in the arse constantly having to accommodate new people who left after five minutes. It felt like money was being wasted.

On the other hand, my dc with SEN got all the support he needed at school and we didn’t have to wait months or years for assessments. The resources were just there, ready to access when school needed them. That was wonderful.

EasternStandard · 14/11/2023 06:39

Clavinova · 13/11/2023 22:44

Public Sector debt

Other graphs are available;

PS: Net Debt (including public sector banks) as a % of GDP

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/timeseries/ruto/pusf

All that risk fuelling spending crashing in one vertical line. Pretty stark

Kwasi · 14/11/2023 07:12

House prices went mental under Labour. Where I lived, a 2 bed house went from £35k to £100k in about two years.

Bagwyllydiart · 14/11/2023 07:15

Cold, dirty, grim. That’s from the 70’s. Homework by candlelight, rats in the streets.

jasflowers · 14/11/2023 07:22

Sadly, the reason you now can’t get a GP appointment or find an NHS dentist started under new labour. The contracts given to GP’s (which in reality saw them paid considerably more for agreeing to do less than they were before) and conversely their dental contracts then woke dentists up to the fact that it was much more appealing to start a private practice instead

The Tories have had 13.5 years to put right any issues in the Dentist & GP contracts.

Dentists don't do NHS work now because they get £23 for a NHS filling, which the Tories have never increased.

It is treating people like complete fools to blame Labour for current NHS issues, 13.5 years is a very long time to be in power.

Labour had 3 terms to replace sold social housing stock, future proof the NHS, social care and education systems and the mandate to improve the national infrastructure. None of these things were achieved. In behaving like pools winners from the 70’s with a ‘spend, spend, spend’ culture

Labour ran a budget surplus for some their tenure, they dramatically improved the NHS, esp staff retention, we didn't have a homeless crisis.

No European Govt was responsible for the global financial crash, that was a USA problem that his the rest of the world.

No Govt can "future proof" public services, all it takes is ONE parliament to under fund NHS etc and the service is then fucked but its 2 or 3 terms to rebuild them.

Amortentia · 14/11/2023 07:28

AnneElliott · 13/11/2023 20:54

They're still going. Some of those my Department looks after don't complete until the 2040s. They were often a bad deal (particularly the early ones) and the public sector don't always manage them properly.

In Scotland PFI has not only cost additional millions unnecessarily going to private companies there is major confusion over who owned the buildings. Even trying to work out who can grant use for a building after school hours is incredibly complex in some cases. God knows how this will be resolved.

Pooooochi · 14/11/2023 07:29

Better for most.

The thing about Labour, is it's not just about economic growth, its about distribution.

It's about recognising that:

  • a 1000g pie, where 1 person gets 800g and the other 4 only get 50g each, leaves a lot of people hungry and one person fat
  • whereas a 750g pie split more equally does a better job at feeding everyone.

The economy is the same. It is pointless pursuing economic growth at the expense of everything else, if 95% of the population don't benefit from it. Public spending and taxation are necessary to share out the wealth of our country.

So under a Labour government you tend to get:

  • higher taxes, of which the burden falls mostly on the richest
  • higher public spending, which flows through to more money in schools, better pay for nurses, teachers etc, shorter NHS waiting lists
Pooooochi · 14/11/2023 07:29

Better for most.

The thing about Labour, is it's not just about economic growth, its about distribution.

It's about recognising that:

  • a 1000g pie, where 1 person gets 800g and the other 4 only get 50g each, leaves a lot of people hungry and one person fat
  • whereas a 750g pie split more equally does a better job at feeding everyone.

The economy is the same. It is pointless pursuing economic growth at the expense of everything else, if 95% of the population don't benefit from it. Public spending and taxation are necessary to share out the wealth of our country.

So under a Labour government you tend to get:

  • higher taxes, of which the burden falls mostly on the richest
  • higher public spending, which flows through to more money in schools, better pay for nurses, teachers etc, shorter NHS waiting lists
Halllooo · 14/11/2023 07:29

Well, we were still part of the EU. So that was nice.
And we didn’t have Home Secretaries calling for the alt right to take to the streets. So that was nice.
And I remember everything mostly working well, even the trains which are now so unreliable and expensive it’s impossible to rely on them.
And we were being governed by mostly half decent people - which many people find a bit boring, but I don’t- rather than out of touch millionaires who have very little understanding or empathy for people on lower incomes. So that was nice.

was it perfect? Of course not. Was it better than this current rabble of power crazed, in fighting backstabbing racists? Yes.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 14/11/2023 07:31

Much better as so many have set out.

The global financial crash wasn’t Labour’s fault but they got blamed for it.

Conservatives took advantage to make out Labour had spent irresponsibly but in fact govt borrowing has increased massively under the Tories.

Difference is Labour spent money on the country not giving it to their mates and asset stripping the UK.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 14/11/2023 07:34

Yekaterinap · 13/11/2023 23:29

They did the usual, spend spend spend until inevitably the pot ran dry, then handed the shit to the tories who had no qualms about cutting back to claw back from labours expenditure. It's like a merry-go-round.

Just utterly false

Amortentia · 14/11/2023 07:35

I’m not sure if it’s already mentioned but New Labour introduced Atos to assess disability benefits. This increased the cost of administration of benefits massively and was the beginning of an adversarial system. It paved the way for the Conservative 2012 welfare reforms that have been catastrophic for people with disabilities.

Amortentia · 14/11/2023 07:40

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 14/11/2023 07:34

Just utterly false

Actually, it’s not far from the truth. If you look at the British political system for the past 120 years you’ll see a pattern. The Tories run infrastructure down to the bone. Labour have no option but to pour money back in, then the cycle continues. If Labour get in they will have no choice but to introduce massive public spending or face the collapse of the public sector or more privatisation.

sollenwir · 14/11/2023 07:41

New Labour or actual Labour?

43ontherocksporfavor · 14/11/2023 07:43

Was just married and starting a family. It felt good to be British, and different. Schools got more funding, museums in London that used to charge were now donation only, sure start centres were great. I just remember feeling quite positive under Tony Blair pre 9/11.

user1497207191 · 14/11/2023 07:44

Amortentia · 14/11/2023 07:40

Actually, it’s not far from the truth. If you look at the British political system for the past 120 years you’ll see a pattern. The Tories run infrastructure down to the bone. Labour have no option but to pour money back in, then the cycle continues. If Labour get in they will have no choice but to introduce massive public spending or face the collapse of the public sector or more privatisation.

Sadly it’s the seesaw effect of both parties going too far in each direction.

Blairs first term got it right, but then they went crazy spending in their second term.

Therichgetricher · 14/11/2023 07:47

it is disingenuous to suggest it was a more harmonious society. There were enormous levels of xenophobia directed at the mainly Eastern European migrants who arrived to do the jobs no one here wanted to do. The competition in skilled labour arriving was of course to the benefit of the people that could afford to take advantage of it.

user1497207191 · 14/11/2023 07:51

@jasflowers

Labour didn’t have a surplus after 2001. They were actually pretty cautious for their first few years, but it didn’t last and they lost control of their spending, as per usual. They just borrowed and borrowed to spend and spend.

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