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AIBU to ask if the term "Swivel eyed loon" is OK to use?

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PampassGrass56 · 11/11/2023 23:17

Somone used this term today. I was wondering if it is socially unacceptable /non PC to use this terminology?

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IrresponsiblyCertainAboutSexualDimorphism · 14/11/2023 07:41

LadyWithLapdog · 13/11/2023 22:41

True. But I’m thinking he hasn’t been a smooth operator in his own party, do we unleash him as Foreign Sex?

Still sniggering about this.

Unsainted8 · 14/11/2023 07:42

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Footle · 14/11/2023 07:43

I'm surprised that Luna is a popular name.

Fionaville · 14/11/2023 09:21

GuessItsANameChange · 14/11/2023 01:22

But ‘swivel-eyed loon’ seems to be viewed as less offensive and is quite widely used. I don’t understand why you’re ‘duty bound’ to use the milder one, in order to cause offence, but wouldn’t use the more offensive one because it isn’t offensive enough?

I find 'swivel eyed loon' shocking, because I've not actually heard it before. As I said, a good insult should be shocking. It should also amuse you to say it or to hear somebody called it. So it fits the bill for me.
The R word is no longer shocking or amusing, its just offensive.

CardamomGarden · 14/11/2023 12:20

Footle · 14/11/2023 07:43

I'm surprised that Luna is a popular name.

Since lunatic is derived from luna rather than the reverse, I wouldn’t think of the former when I hear the latter. Many people will know the word from Spanish, Italian, etc., and in most British accents it sounds the same as ‘lunar’ so the associations are all with the moon.

StarDolphins · 14/11/2023 12:30

I quite like it.

LakieLady · 14/11/2023 12:43

I rather like the phrase and would use it among friends, but not at work where things are quite PC and it would be seen as very inappropriate because most of our clients have MH issues.

starlightcan · 14/11/2023 12:44

CardamomGarden · 14/11/2023 12:20

Since lunatic is derived from luna rather than the reverse, I wouldn’t think of the former when I hear the latter. Many people will know the word from Spanish, Italian, etc., and in most British accents it sounds the same as ‘lunar’ so the associations are all with the moon.

I assumed Footle was being droll

Birdcar · 14/11/2023 12:45

I also thought that the expression originated from the bird.

pickledandpuzzled · 14/11/2023 12:49

Such a shame we are losing colourful idiomatic language- it needs to go, now we understand ableism a bit more, but I do miss the colour.
Equally all the old sayings- a stitch in time saves nine, etc. They held so much wisdom along with their colour!

PampassGrass56 · 14/11/2023 14:12

pickledandpuzzled · 14/11/2023 12:49

Such a shame we are losing colourful idiomatic language- it needs to go, now we understand ableism a bit more, but I do miss the colour.
Equally all the old sayings- a stitch in time saves nine, etc. They held so much wisdom along with their colour!

Yes, I love all the old fashioned sayings too!

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GuessItsANameChange · 14/11/2023 18:03

pickledandpuzzled · 14/11/2023 12:49

Such a shame we are losing colourful idiomatic language- it needs to go, now we understand ableism a bit more, but I do miss the colour.
Equally all the old sayings- a stitch in time saves nine, etc. They held so much wisdom along with their colour!

There’s nothing offensive about ‘a stitch in time…’

pickledandpuzzled · 14/11/2023 19:13

No, of course. There are plenty of colourful phrases with no unpleasant history. We probably all use a few that we’re unaware are problematic, though.

And whichever kind they are, today’s language seems bland.

Verv · 14/11/2023 20:44

Tbh it’s a cracking insult and one that I have no issue with using amongst friends.

haribosmarties · 14/11/2023 20:52

I've had mental health issues and I also have a squint. I hereby give you full permission to use this term. It's too funny not to use.

SweetBirdsong · 14/11/2023 20:54

SD1978 · 11/11/2023 23:42

If someone uses the term loon, I actually more think lunatic, crazy, and probably don't think it's acceptable given that it (as far as I'm aware) refers to someone with mental health concerns- did not know it originated from a bird!

100% Yes to this. ^ No-one is ever referring to a bird when they call someone a loon. Hmm

I find swivel eyed loon quite offensive. And just because you have suffered from mental health issues, and don't find it offensive, that doesn't mean that others are not allowed to find it offensive, and they don't deserve to be mocked and derided if they do.

This 'well I don't find it insulting therefore it's OK' train of thought pisses me off.

Verv · 14/11/2023 22:53

This ‘well i find it offensive so therefore it’s not OK’ train of thought pisses me off.

newnamethanks · 15/11/2023 06:50

Look at Suella, Nadine, Rees Mogg, Farage et al and their supporters. The description of them as swivel eyed loons cannot be improved upon. They are fanatics and well described.

pickledandpuzzled · 15/11/2023 07:24

Perhaps we need to make ‘pop-eyed zealot’ popular. Think that’s ok. Can’t use maniac.

Deathwillbebutapause · 15/11/2023 07:29

It's a good if slightly overused phrase.

It's moronic/cretinous/half-witted to get offended by other people's turns of phrase (knock yourself out with those).

LunaTheCat · 15/11/2023 07:45

I have not heard the phrase before… but love it!
I plan to use at the earliest opportunity!

PampassGrass56 · 15/11/2023 08:23

LunaTheCat · 15/11/2023 07:45

I have not heard the phrase before… but love it!
I plan to use at the earliest opportunity!

🤣🤣🤣

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Scalottia · 15/11/2023 08:31

Some people need to stop looking for things to be offended by.

RomeoOscarXrayXray · 15/11/2023 13:33

Fit like loon?

Far hav ye bin quine?

I like being a quine!

It's the Doric.

CeciledeVolangesdeNouveau · 15/11/2023 14:10

I knew there was a bird called loon but I had always assumed they were named after lunatics and not the other way round, which had me confused! It’s always confusing when birds or animals have names like “bunting” which also mean something completely different.

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