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Ex-DP refuses to apologise to DS

22 replies

anchoviesanchovies · 11/11/2023 19:55

I’ll try not to ramble on too much. Ex-DP and I split up a couple of years ago, we have DS(5). We live far apart but are relatively amicable and both prioritise DS so ex visits every couple of weeks and stays with us and vice versa.

There’s been a row tonight, DS hit out at ex as he walked past him, just boisterous no bad intent but I guess caught him awkwardly and really hurt him. Ex immediately hit back, not hard but enough to made DS jump and burst into tears. I want to be clear that we are both completely against smacking, this definitely doesn’t qualify as a smack, it was just a reaction. Ex appeared to be quite badly hurt. It was almost more of a push away than hitting but DS was very upset.

DS is very strong willed as is ex and they ended up shouting at each other and ex stormed off downstairs. We normally put DS to bed together and lay with him, read etc, til he’s asleep.

DS wanted his daddy to come back so went down and asked him to come up, he apologised for hurting daddy. I said “I’m sure daddy will apologise to you too” at which point ex said he wasn’t going to apologise, not til tomorrow when he’ll have a talk to DS about what happened. This lead to another shouting match between then. I try not to undermine ex in front of DS but did say “come on that’s not fair”, ex said I had to let him handle this even if I didn’t ageee. He did lay next to DS til he was asleep but basically refusing to talk to him, didn’t even say goodnight.

I think this is grossly unfair for several reasons. Firstly he’s setting the wrong example by refusing to apologise til the next day, secondly I think letting a child go to bed knowing a parent is angry with them is unfair and thirdly ex constantly encourages rough play including lots hitting (DS hitting ex, ex never hits DS even in play). Ex has said to DS a few times that he must not hit anyone “there” because he’s don’t it a couple of times in play fights but a 5 yr old isn’t always going to remember.

AIBU?

OP posts:
Auspicious · 11/11/2023 20:10

Your ex was out of order. He is the adult and needed to address the issue and sort it out before bed.

‘DS is very strong willed as is ex and they ended up shouting at each other and ex stormed off downstairs’
And I find this kind of comment odd. One is an adult and the other is a five year old. I don’t think they can be compared, whatever your son’s personality.

anchoviesanchovies · 11/11/2023 20:12

Thanks. I’m not suggesting it’s comparable, I probably just wrote it badly. I just meant neither of them give in easily.

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Kittenkitty · 11/11/2023 20:18

I think you undermined him when you said “I’m sure daddy will apologise too” it’s important to apologise when you’ve done something wrong but if Dad hit out as a reflex rather than in anger then that’s a consequence of hitting Dad. Dad might have apologised or not, but he didn’t need you to decide that for him. I’d have been a bit frustrated if I was him too. As for arguments at bedtime etc I don’t know, I agree with you but recognise that not everybody does and children have to learn.
I don’t do rough play but my ex does, I think it’s possible to have boundaries within it.

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 11/11/2023 20:20

If your ex encourages rough play, he can hardly be surprised that your son is rough. His reaction to him now is thoroughly unpleasant- pushing him or hitting him would be an absolute no to me and the silent treatment is emotional abuse to be honest.

AutumnFroglets · 11/11/2023 20:25

You interfered, then doubled down. I'm guessing DP was still in a lot of pain and wasn't mentally in a position to have a chat and a cuddle with DS but you had to push that too.

And yes, DS is old enough not to hurt others so stop babying him. You think another parent at school would dismiss his behaviour if he hurt their child?

Haydenn · 11/11/2023 20:26

The child is 5 years old, has apologised and wants to know that his daddy forgives him and isn’t angry.

your Ex is being a prick. There’s no point in saying he didn’t mean to lash out- the 5 year old didn’t mean to hurt him either. But the 5 year old has apologised.

Thelnebriati · 11/11/2023 20:33

Roughhousing always ends in tears, and this is a good time to stop your ex encouraging it.

FrippEnos · 11/11/2023 20:34

Nothing in the OP suggests that they were "rough housing" or even playing, just that the ex was walking past.

DisquietintheRanks · 11/11/2023 20:36

He lay next to him until he was asleep. That's not "letting him go to bed thinking daddy is still angry with him".

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 11/11/2023 20:38

FrippEnos · 11/11/2023 20:34

Nothing in the OP suggests that they were "rough housing" or even playing, just that the ex was walking past.

ex constantly encourages rough play including lots hitting (DS hitting ex, ex never hits DS even in play). Ex has said to DS a few times that he must not hit anyone “there” because he’s don’t it a couple of times in play fights but a 5 yr old isn’t always going to remember.

From a 5yo’s perspective, “Daddy loves this game so I’ll start it!”

FrippEnos · 11/11/2023 20:46

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 11/11/2023 20:38

ex constantly encourages rough play including lots hitting (DS hitting ex, ex never hits DS even in play). Ex has said to DS a few times that he must not hit anyone “there” because he’s don’t it a couple of times in play fights but a 5 yr old isn’t always going to remember.

From a 5yo’s perspective, “Daddy loves this game so I’ll start it!”

Sorry missed it.

The Ex is a twat

ImustLearn2Cook · 12/11/2023 23:32

My dd and her dad used to roughhouse play when she was that age. It’s pretty normal at that age. Also, pretty normal for young kids not to have very good spatial awareness so can accidentally hit us, bump us, step on us in all kinds of sensitive areas.

I’m guessing your ex dp got hit in the balls. I’ve lost count of the times dd accidentally hit her dad in the balls. But, he never reacted towards her like that. And yes it hurt him badly. But he didn’t take it out on her.

We repeatedly reminded her to be gentle/careful/mindful. Children learn from repetition. It’s not a told you once or twice and you should know better situation.

He is being completely unreasonable and needs to have appropriate expectations and a bit more understanding of your son. (Your is in the plural sense here before anyone jumps on it with “his child too”).

Your ds is only 5 and only sees his dad every few weeks so he is not as familiar with him as he is with you whom he sees daily.

From a 5 year olds perspective his parents are adults, bigger, stronger and therefore can be intimidating, when they are angry. Couple this with not seeing his dad on a daily basis. And yes he loves his dad and therefore probably misses him when he is away and probably gets very excited to see him.

Ex partner needs to keep all of this in mind and respond like a mature adult who can understand his child’s perspective. And not be an angry, intimidating, emotionally abusive person.

And you did nothing wrong in trying to reassure your son. That is not what undermining is. You did not undermine your ex by reassuring your ds that daddy would apologise. How could you foresee that he would refuse to apologise. Because most loving parents would apologise and not make their child wait for the next morning.

MonsteraMama · 12/11/2023 23:36

Sorry but what kind of grown adult is getting in shouting matches with a fucking five year old child?

Coyoacan · 12/11/2023 23:38

Haydenn · 11/11/2023 20:26

The child is 5 years old, has apologised and wants to know that his daddy forgives him and isn’t angry.

your Ex is being a prick. There’s no point in saying he didn’t mean to lash out- the 5 year old didn’t mean to hurt him either. But the 5 year old has apologised.

I believe getting hit in the balls can be extremely painful. The father is a human, not a candidate for sainthood

ImustLearn2Cook · 12/11/2023 23:53

Coyoacan · 12/11/2023 23:38

I believe getting hit in the balls can be extremely painful. The father is a human, not a candidate for sainthood

That is still no excuse. And you don’t have to be a saint to not get angry at your kid for doing something by accident.

Plenty of dads get accidentally hit in the balls by their kids. My dc’s dad has many times.

I read the Op out to him and even he thinks the dad is being unreasonable and immature.

Oh, and by the way copping an elbow in the boob is pretty bloody painful too.

anchoviesanchovies · 13/11/2023 09:47

Thanks everyone. I was nervous about posting on here as I've seen how vicious the responses can be, as shown by AutumnFroglets.

Everyone else has posted measured responses and some lovely replies so thank you. As it happens when I got downstairs ex said how absolutely awful he felt which is completely unheard of, in 15 years I've only ever known him admit to being wrong twice. He apologised unreservedly to DS as soon as he woke up the next morning.

Also just to mention, DS only turned 5 the day before I posted.

IMustLearn2Cook - amen to that!! I've been caught many times in the boob, it bloody hurts! Especially when it's on my lumpectomy scar...

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SharedAccountWithMySister · 13/11/2023 09:52

I don’t think @AutumnFroglets was vicious in any way.

However your Ex was wrong. Silent treatment is cruel and emotionally abusive.

jannier · 13/11/2023 10:32

AutumnFroglets · 11/11/2023 20:25

You interfered, then doubled down. I'm guessing DP was still in a lot of pain and wasn't mentally in a position to have a chat and a cuddle with DS but you had to push that too.

And yes, DS is old enough not to hurt others so stop babying him. You think another parent at school would dismiss his behaviour if he hurt their child?

This.
Why are you putting words in your ex's mouth. He didn't deliberately hit his child, your ds needed to say sorry first the rest would be a natural response but you pushed it. A 5 year old needs to realise accepting an apology isn't always instant especially if you're in agony and that what he did hurt ....5 year old boys know that hurts.

anchoviesanchovies · 13/11/2023 10:35

When DS does anything wrong, at all, ex expects and immediate apology. Even if the situation has escalated and DS is crying hard ex expects an immediate apology and will punish him if he doesn't get one. How is it ok not to do this the other way round?

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anchoviesanchovies · 13/11/2023 10:38

your ds needed to say sorry first the rest would be a natural response but you pushed it. A 5 year old needs to realise accepting an apology isn't always instant especially if you're in agony and that what he did hurt ....5 year old boys know that hurts.

As stated in my op, ds DID say sorry first and no one expected ex to apologise straight away. As stated, I said what I said some time later AFTER DS had apologised.

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itsmyp4rty · 13/11/2023 11:08

The ex needs to stop encouraging ds to hit him and do something more positive and constructive with him - he also shouldn't be shouting at him for something that he has encouraged and he should have apologised. I'd be horrified if I accidentally lashed out at my child and scared them.
He sounds very immature tbh.

ImustLearn2Cook · 14/11/2023 13:43

@anchoviesanchovies That’s good that he felt bad, admitted he was wrong and apologised. I hope your son is feeling better about it now. None of us parents get it right all the time. You are totally right that we expect children to apologise so we should too.

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