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Landlord making me feel unsafe, flat issues!

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rosieposie1203 · 11/11/2023 10:45

So me and my partner live above a pub in a flat. Our front door is inside the pub with access outside via a fire door. we have been having so many issues and our landlords are making us feel really unsafe:

  • One landlord has entered the property multiple times without prior notice. We sent a letter to the outlining the issues we have, including this, and this was ignored as he walked into the flat via our fire-door in our hallway and told my partner “Oh I didn’t think anyone was in.” We sent them an email reminding them that they cannot enter the property without 24h notice, and told them we have been to the council and the police as suggested by Citizens Advice. We then received an email back accusing us of being threatening and aggressive (we weren’t)
  • Our deposit isn’t in a scheme. We told them in the letter we send a few months ago that it’s a legal requirement to hold our deposit in a scheme, to which they responded with “it’s just a hassle putting it in the scheme”
  • Our council tax letter states the pubs name, not our flat. We went to the council who said they would sort this, but we still receive council tax letters with the pubs address. We had the issue when renewing our electric that our address didn’t exist - it is just the pub. Are they illegally renting it out?
  • We have had some extreme water damage on our living room wall from the guttering outside, which created mould. They have plastered over this (after months of asking them, and they sorted it without 24h notice…) and there is still mould on other walls. My partner has a respiratory disease and the mould is so damaging.
  • There is a locked door into our flat from the upstairs of the pub. They have now told us that a key must be left upstairs in the pub into our hallway incase of a fire. There is already a fire door upstairs in the pub. We told them we do not feel like that is safe as we have people trying that door anyway, and if random people are upstairs with our key, what’s to stop them using it - people are curious. They told us to lock our living room door and bedroom door. We have a child living here, they expect us to lock her in her room (which is next to the living room, seperate to our bedroom down the hallway). What if there’s an emergency? Nothing on our tenancy agreement (which is generic and is misprinted so you can’t read some of it anyway) says that the pub requires access to our hallway.
  • We both work full time but due to just finishing university, we are both in our overdrafts still and have no savings, it’s just gonna take some time. We have applied to join the council house list but they ask for a landlord reference. I do not want to ask them for one because they have made us feel unsafe, and I imagine they’ll be negative.

AIBU to be complaining about these things? They make me feel like I’m in the wrong for bringing these issues up. We have nowhere else to go, there’s no properties to rent around here that are under £1000p/m, we are restricted to this town due to work.

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SequinsandStiIettos · 11/11/2023 10:50

Please keep the evidence you have that your deposit is not protected. If you have that in writing/email then he's a blithering idiot.
You can claim back your deposit with up to 3x back and you'll win.
What are tenants rights if their deposit is not put in a deposit scheme? (landlordlawblog.co.uk)

What are tenants rights if their deposit is not put in a deposit scheme?

Guidance to tenants whose landlords have not protected their deposit in a proper tenancy deposit scheme

https://www.landlordlawblog.co.uk/2020/01/20/tenants-rights-deposit-put-deposit-scheme/

SequinsandStiIettos · 11/11/2023 10:52

See what the council say regarding referees if you have an ongoing dispute with yours. Tell them you have history of paying on time. Tell them all the above as to why you are needing to leave in the first place. Parents as guarantors?

Wittyname10 · 11/11/2023 10:53

If they enter without notice again get straight on to the police.

rosieposie1203 · 11/11/2023 10:53

I wrote in email that the deposit isn’t protected and that I have checked the deposit websites and it’s not on any of them. I have a camera in the flat and they came in for a ‘meeting’ to discuss the letter and so I have it recorded that they said about the deposit schemes being hassle. They seem to want to avoid anything being discussed via text or email, as I’ve been shouted at by one of them for not answering his calls while I was at work - I told him I want everything done via email, they hate it!

I didn’t know I could claim from that, that’s really useful to know, thank you ! It’s crazy, we have 4 landlords and none of them seem to see any issues!

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Fantasia99 · 11/11/2023 10:57

I would be looking to find somewhere also and move out whilst the deposit isn't in a scheme and claiming it back times 3!

Cherrysoup · 11/11/2023 11:05

You need to move. You can claim back the deposit x 3 but may not get it. Your ll is appalling and leaving you in a vulnerable position. You are not safe if some random drunk accesses the flat. ☹️

Ginmonkeyagain · 11/11/2023 11:16

Yeah you need to move. This will not get any better. They are breaking the law and don't care.

Can you move slighly further out and commute in? Or maybe look at a room in a house share. Not ideal but plenty of new graduates do that for affordability purposes. That was my only option when I first started renting 20 years ago.

rosieposie1203 · 11/11/2023 11:25

Me and my partner both work in town and don’t have a car. His daughter stays with us a few nights a week so room sharing isn’t ideal, plus there’s just nothing going at the moment! Cost of mortgages increasing has made renting so hard lol!

We would move in with my parents but there’s just no space. We have put up with this place for over a year so another few months we can do, but just having a big impact on our mental and physical health now.

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alexdgr8 · 11/11/2023 11:25

few house shares will accept a child.
understandably.
but you need to move out.
have you reported the issues to the local council, environment dept, private housing.
some of it sounds dubious, safety-wise.
it may not help you, as you will probably be given notice to quit, but as a public duty this should be brought to the attention of the enforcement authority.
also if you are evicted, having a child may give you some priority for public housing.
good luck.

alexdgr8 · 11/11/2023 11:26

contact Shelter.

Ponoka7 · 11/11/2023 11:27

They are renting it out without permission, or it being registered as a rented property. They need you to leave a key incase there's any type of inspection so they can enter the flat, because it is listed as part of the business premises. You need to make plans to move.

Ponoka7 · 11/11/2023 11:30

So were did he live previously? Did he forgo having his daughter and this is something new?

rosieposie1203 · 11/11/2023 11:31

Yes we went to the council Monday when he walked in again, and they didn’t really know what to do, but we’re going again next week, gonna bring all the evidence we have against them to hopefully get as much help as we can - just wanted to make sure we weren’t over reacting!

I do believe it’s being illegally rented out as a flat as previous tenants never paid council tax, and the address for the flat doesn’t exist, only the pub. It just seems so sketchy

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rosieposie1203 · 11/11/2023 11:35

No we lived with my parents due to COVID however it was overcrowded, too many people, very little room. There were 3 of us at times in a small box room so it wasn’t ideal but worked temporarily, so then we moved to where we are now but didn’t think it would end up like this !

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Ginmonkeyagain · 11/11/2023 11:47

Ahh didn't realise there was a child involved, in that case a house share is not suitable.

Have you check if you are entitled to any housing benefit/UC . If you both work full time but cannot afford £1000pcm then I assume both incomes are fairly low.

Ginmonkeyagain · 11/11/2023 11:48

A lot of pubs come with rooms above but these are meant for the landlord or pub manager to use. I wonder if they are illegally subletting the rooms against the terms of their lease with the brewery?

LIZS · 11/11/2023 11:48

Contact Shelter for advice. If the address is not separated it might be a condition that the flat is occupied by pub staff. Do you have separate meters? Is there an AST in place? You can sue if the deposit is not secured.

Barleysugar86 · 11/11/2023 11:52

I imagine if the address doesn't officially exist they probably can't register your deposit in the scheme. I do think you need some professional advice from a housing charity. This sounds illegal in many ways, and I think you can complain to the council even and get them in trouble, but its just understanding your options if it might leave you with nowhere to go.

rosieposie1203 · 11/11/2023 11:53

LIZS · 11/11/2023 11:48

Contact Shelter for advice. If the address is not separated it might be a condition that the flat is occupied by pub staff. Do you have separate meters? Is there an AST in place? You can sue if the deposit is not secured.

The property is owned by two couples and they rent the pub to somebody and the flat to me and my partner. Our meters are seperate but it is still a business meter as it is located in the pub, I can’t get it changed for some reason. I pay the person that runs the pub for water as we share the boiler. I do think it isn’t meant to be a separate flat as my address states ‘Managers Accommodation’ and I have nothing to do with the pub

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greenacrylicpaint · 11/11/2023 11:54

it does sound like it's not an official separate dwelling to the pub.
can you pull the title deeds from the land registry?

tbh, I would move. sounds like a very dodgy landlord and I wouldn't feel safe either.

rosieposie1203 · 11/11/2023 11:55

Ginmonkeyagain · 11/11/2023 11:48

A lot of pubs come with rooms above but these are meant for the landlord or pub manager to use. I wonder if they are illegally subletting the rooms against the terms of their lease with the brewery?

Edited

The previous person that ran the pub was in charge of letting out the flat as he paid the landlords for the pub and the flat. Since someone else has taken over the lease of the pub, the landlords wanted to take over the flat, so now they get separate rent from the pub and from the flat, which to me sounds like you’re correct in the fact they shouldn’t be separate properties.

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rosieposie1203 · 11/11/2023 11:56

greenacrylicpaint · 11/11/2023 11:54

it does sound like it's not an official separate dwelling to the pub.
can you pull the title deeds from the land registry?

tbh, I would move. sounds like a very dodgy landlord and I wouldn't feel safe either.

I paid £3 on land registry for that but I really don’t know what I’m looking for, it just shows the pub not the flat

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groveparker0 · 11/11/2023 12:01

I think usually it's in the term of the premises license for the pub that the licensee has to live there. You might be able to check that with the council too. Sounds like they're breaking rules all over the place!

groveparker0 · 11/11/2023 12:02

groveparker0 · 11/11/2023 12:01

I think usually it's in the term of the premises license for the pub that the licensee has to live there. You might be able to check that with the council too. Sounds like they're breaking rules all over the place!

Licence

IHearTheMermaidsSinging · 11/11/2023 12:02

Every time they leave the spare key to your flat out in the hallway take it. I would then leave the key on the inside of the door so that they cannot then open it from the outside.
Re the council tax - if you're not paying any at all and you then move to another place, the council may wonder where you have been all this time, and you could possibly be landed with a bill for the missing months. Please check this out with your council.
And yes, Move, when and where you can as this has disaster written all over it.
Best of luck. Flowers