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GP Telephone Appointments

12 replies

Aquarius1234 · 10/11/2023 13:46

To be annoyed that GPs only phone once.
I was paying for food in self checkouts and couldn't answer immediately.
I thought maybe they would try again 1 minute later!
Boo plus I was told after 2pm afternoon session.
It was 1.37pm when the call came.

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DumboHimalayan · 10/11/2023 13:51

Maybe they were just trying a few of their afternoon list early, on the off-chance that they could get a few of their calls out of the way, and they'll try again later after 2pm? If that's the case, I can see why they might assume you're not available at all yet, and wouldn't immediately try you again.

Whydoifeelsobadallthetime · 10/11/2023 13:59

I feel you, on Monday, I called for an appointment.
They offer a callback service for your appt. They promise it keeps your place in line.

When they called back, they said "call earlier next time if you want an appointment."

Time I called 08:02.

Aquarius1234 · 10/11/2023 14:08

DumboHimalayan · 10/11/2023 13:51

Maybe they were just trying a few of their afternoon list early, on the off-chance that they could get a few of their calls out of the way, and they'll try again later after 2pm? If that's the case, I can see why they might assume you're not available at all yet, and wouldn't immediately try you again.

Ok yes maybe.
For some reason I find telephone appointments more awkward than face to face. The whole are you free to talk.
Half the time the GP has never met you.

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Aquarius1234 · 10/11/2023 14:12

Whydoifeelsobadallthetime · 10/11/2023 13:59

I feel you, on Monday, I called for an appointment.
They offer a callback service for your appt. They promise it keeps your place in line.

When they called back, they said "call earlier next time if you want an appointment."

Time I called 08:02.

Haha I called 8.01 am today and the line was off/ busy until 8.04 am
4 mins late to put the phones on!!
So stupid you have to call around 8am only for same day.

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catscalledbeanz · 10/11/2023 14:16

Yanbu. I've had the same- missed the call as I was in the library- I called back immediately, within the minute as I'd run out of the library to try to answer, but was told tough. Too late. Try again tomorrow

AutumnLeaves333 · 10/11/2023 14:18

I absolutely hate them, my practice doesn’t specify an exact time and they only call once,so if you’re in Asda or the school playground when they phone you have no choice but to answer and give everyone in the vicinity a run down of your medical problems!

DumboHimalayan · 10/11/2023 14:24

Aquarius1234 · 10/11/2023 14:08

Ok yes maybe.
For some reason I find telephone appointments more awkward than face to face. The whole are you free to talk.
Half the time the GP has never met you.

Edited

I hope so, anyway — maybe I'm just a hopeless optimist 😅

I had to move GP practice during COVID, so apart from a one-off with a trainee GP (to have a feel of a lump), all my interactions with GPs at my practice have been via phone (or sometimes they text me). You're right, it's awkward trying to talk over the phone to a doctor you've never met. For someone like me, with several chronic conditions, it's useful to build up a long-term relationship, including face to face interactions, with preferably a single GP. It's also been shown through research that continuity of GP care results in better health outcomes for patients. I don't know if the research has been done on a purely phone-based GP–patient relationship, even if you do always get the same one.

user1497207191 · 10/11/2023 14:25

Yep, we've gone from doctors claiming phone calls couldn't be made, and now they're often to only way to talk to a doctor. From one extreme to another.

My OH, who has cancer, was once due his regular bi-monthly oncologist phone call at a specified appointment time of something like 9-15. He delayed going to work and stayed home to wait for it. He had to go to work for the afternoon, so he delayed leaving home as long as possible and finally left at around 1pm. She called him when he was driving at 1.30 so he couldn't answer her call. He phoned the dept at 2pm to be curtly told "he'd" missed the call and, no, she wouldn't call back, so they made a new appointment which was a further 2 months away!! They won't even make accommodations when it's their fault!

user1497207191 · 10/11/2023 14:30

DumboHimalayan · 10/11/2023 14:24

I hope so, anyway — maybe I'm just a hopeless optimist 😅

I had to move GP practice during COVID, so apart from a one-off with a trainee GP (to have a feel of a lump), all my interactions with GPs at my practice have been via phone (or sometimes they text me). You're right, it's awkward trying to talk over the phone to a doctor you've never met. For someone like me, with several chronic conditions, it's useful to build up a long-term relationship, including face to face interactions, with preferably a single GP. It's also been shown through research that continuity of GP care results in better health outcomes for patients. I don't know if the research has been done on a purely phone-based GP–patient relationship, even if you do always get the same one.

Edited

I agree that relationships are beneficial with doctors, but realistically, that all ended with Blair's disastrous new GP contract in the early noughties. Ever since then, we've just had a succession of random GPs, sometimes locums, sometimes a rotation of the GP partners, but it's basically impossible to see the same person twice, unless it's purely coincidental. No option to choose a GP at all - not even weeks away. Before the disastrous new contract, we had no problem seeing our preferred GP which was better for all as there was continuity - we may have had to wait a week or two to see him, sometimes maybe even 3/4 weeks, but there were always appointments for him. The surgery even did a "sit and wait" service every morning for people without appointments, and even there, you could ask for your preferred GP and unless he was on holiday etc., you could just wait to see him (or if his list was very long, the receptionist would let you know and give you the option of another GP, again, your choice of who!).

DumboHimalayan · 10/11/2023 15:09

It depends @user1497207191

I went away to university from 2017–2020, and registered with a local GP there. The surgery was in a fairly well-off, studenty part of the city, so the GP's patients would've skewed young and healthy, meaning resources weren't as stretched.

I was registered with a particular named GP at the practice, and that actually meant something.

If I'd requested at the front desk, I could've had an appointment with a different GP if I'd wanted (say, a female GP for women's issues), but I could always choose to see my own doctor.

I could book an appointment with him, usually, next day, or sometimes the day after that, or I could book an appointment with him up to a few weeks in advance — either through the online system (which only showed me the plentiful appointments available with my own doctor) or via reception.

I never had to have my care pathway navigated by a receptionist, be phone-triaged, accept a phone appointment over an in-person one, or to wait longer than I felt comfortable for an appointment. I never had to face the 8/8.30am gauntlet to try and snatch a precious appointment from the hands of an elderly person in pain, or a worried parent, or any other competitors. I never had that conversation where you tell the receptionist that the GP wants to see you in 4 weeks and they tell that appointments aren't released that far in advance, and to ring closer to the time, at which point you find there are no longer any appointments left when you need them — or alternatively, the conversation where you ask for an appointment and they tell you the next available one is 7 weeks away (which was what the wait was where I lived pre-2004).

When I needed blood tests, which was quite often, I could just make a blood test appointment at the surgery and pop up the road for it, rather than having to navigate an online system to book at a phlebotomy clinic at a big out-of-town health centre or hospital. Blood tests came back from the lab (used by the large, prestigious nearby teaching hospital) incredibly quickly, sometimes in a few hours and almost never more than a couple of days, depending on the test — the only time it took longer was if it was a test which actually took that much time to do. Knowing the results would always be back quickly, I could advance-book the follow-up with the nurse/doctor with confidence.

Online services were comprehensive, easy to access, and useful, but the phone service was fine too. The staff were friendly, the doctors were helpful (at least, mine was, I never saw any of the others) and they offered extra services for primary care mental health and so forth.

That was all within the current system, just with actual sufficient resources to provide a safe, useful, modern service with continuity of care.

Of course I'm back home now, and though I chose to register at a different practice to the one I was at before I left, it's no less of a harsh back-to-reality thump 🤣

The system was breaking before the new contract, and a lot of the problems we're having now are more to do with sheer lack of resources (people, money) than with the contract per se, IMO, though aspects of it are unhelpful.

LlynTegid · 10/11/2023 15:14

The 8am call time is unreasonable. I think it would be better were it later, as I bet some people who feel awful then are in a much better way even within an hour and would not call.

vicarc · 10/11/2023 15:14

Yeap and having to have these conversations in public places or finding somewhere to hide and take the call discretely not particularly easy in a city. I don't particularly want to hear other people's medical problems either. I wish we could go back to proper advance bookable medical appointments for non urgent problems. Why should I scramble for a slot on the day at 8am when I'm not at death's door but could wait 2 weeks for a normal face to face appointment to discuss slow burn stuff like HRT or arthritis etc. Will it ever go back to normal?!

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