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Why do conspiracy theorists go on at length about it all the time?

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AquamarineBalloon · 08/11/2023 08:33

I’ve just been on a taxi journey during which the driver went on and on about his conspiracy theories for the whole journey, doing his own research, etc. I just acknowledged he was speaking but didn’t offer any response or engagement but the lecture continued for the whole trip (which was thankfully relatively short).

I hold opinions about various things but unless I’m specifically asked what I think, or having a conversation on that topic, I don’t feel the need to go on at length about them to other people.

He’s entitled to his view (however baseless and ridiculous) but why the lecture?

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itsmeafterall · 08/11/2023 11:28

Had a cab driver spouting his racist shit at me in a london cab once, expecting me to agree.

I just said in a very haughty and forthright voice "I'm paying you to drive. Now shut up and drive. Thankyou".

He was staggered into silence. 😬
Joyous. Rude. But joyous. And he deserved it.

DelightfullyDotty · 08/11/2023 11:41

It’s very convenient for some that these ranting, not very bright lunatics are the ‘face’ of the conspiracy theorist group. It means that this label can be slapped onto anyone who questions anything. Which is a conspiracy in itself but quite a logical one.

It’s absurd to think that there aren’t many secret and corrupt things going on behind the scenes. Why wouldn’t there be? However, what they are the general public do not know. If we get too close to the truth we end up like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden, so best to keep your head down and let them get on with it.

LakeTiticaca · 08/11/2023 12:02

They are Full of self important dribble.
I just smile politely and walk away

SylvieLaufeydottir · 08/11/2023 12:10

DelightfullyDotty · 08/11/2023 11:41

It’s very convenient for some that these ranting, not very bright lunatics are the ‘face’ of the conspiracy theorist group. It means that this label can be slapped onto anyone who questions anything. Which is a conspiracy in itself but quite a logical one.

It’s absurd to think that there aren’t many secret and corrupt things going on behind the scenes. Why wouldn’t there be? However, what they are the general public do not know. If we get too close to the truth we end up like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden, so best to keep your head down and let them get on with it.

And here we have the logical consequences of this kind of thinking: a conspiracy theory about conspiracy theories.

tttigress · 08/11/2023 12:11

Worry. Conspiracy theories seem to becoming more wide spread.

I partially blame COVID, as people had more time to "do their research" aka watching crazy YouTube videos that make money off them.

I actually know too people that have been badly affected by this. It is hard to know if I should distance myself from them, or "perform and intervention"

tttigress · 08/11/2023 12:15

I do think people use conspiracy theories to seem more intelligent than they are. If you point some holes in their argument. They can become quite smug and talk down to you.

divinededacende · 08/11/2023 12:26

DelightfullyDotty · 08/11/2023 11:41

It’s very convenient for some that these ranting, not very bright lunatics are the ‘face’ of the conspiracy theorist group. It means that this label can be slapped onto anyone who questions anything. Which is a conspiracy in itself but quite a logical one.

It’s absurd to think that there aren’t many secret and corrupt things going on behind the scenes. Why wouldn’t there be? However, what they are the general public do not know. If we get too close to the truth we end up like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden, so best to keep your head down and let them get on with it.

This is my biggest problem with the whole thing. There is genuine corruption in the world. There are no doubt real conspiracies happening and people in positions of power and influence can absolutely work against the best interests of the public. The problem with conspiracy theorists is that they're trying to draw this elaborate, contradictory web between all of this to the point where it's impossible to see the wood for the trees sometimes. You can't have a rational, productive conversation about a particular situation without being drawn off on 5 tangents or the conversating becoming about satanic rituals happening in the corridors of power.

I don't think your wrong. The nutter faction have made it easier for people to dismiss real, honest to god corruption as "conspiracy theory" because they've brought conspiracy theory into the mainstream.

2023forme · 08/11/2023 12:28

My favourite is that Wayfair are trafficking children by selling wardrobes with abducted children inside! Apparently Hilary Clinton is behind it and they get the children from tunnels under New York. It beggars belief that some people believe this

divinededacende · 08/11/2023 12:36

2023forme · 08/11/2023 12:28

My favourite is that Wayfair are trafficking children by selling wardrobes with abducted children inside! Apparently Hilary Clinton is behind it and they get the children from tunnels under New York. It beggars belief that some people believe this

I've had a version of this although there are lots of variants. My aunt shared a video I should watch as it was 'evidence'. The evidence was a guy telling stories about innocuous things he'd seen and then drawing really wild parallels and conclusions. The end result is they were trafficking children for satanic blood rituals to either maintain their power or stay young (I can't remember which).

I remember watching and thinking "what the fuck is this?!". When did a guys musings become 'evidence'? When I questioned it, I was told to "do my research" (the battle cry of the theorist). I did my fucking research, I spent an hour watching the 'evidence' YOU sent me! 🤣

SylvieLaufeydottir · 08/11/2023 12:37

divinededacende · 08/11/2023 12:26

This is my biggest problem with the whole thing. There is genuine corruption in the world. There are no doubt real conspiracies happening and people in positions of power and influence can absolutely work against the best interests of the public. The problem with conspiracy theorists is that they're trying to draw this elaborate, contradictory web between all of this to the point where it's impossible to see the wood for the trees sometimes. You can't have a rational, productive conversation about a particular situation without being drawn off on 5 tangents or the conversating becoming about satanic rituals happening in the corridors of power.

I don't think your wrong. The nutter faction have made it easier for people to dismiss real, honest to god corruption as "conspiracy theory" because they've brought conspiracy theory into the mainstream.

Of course there is corruption and crime that doesn't get out, or at any rate hasn't got out yet. That doesn't require any kind of organised conspiracy. Organised conspiracies on any scale above about 2 people are all but impossible, because humans are shit at it. Haven't you heard the expression "Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead"?

Take Jimmy Savile's crimes. A lot of people, in fact, knew about them. A lot. There was no organised attempt to conceal them, other than perhaps on the part of Savile's management. What there was was a great deal of social and legal awkwardness and difficulty. Savile had a lot of power and money and media presence and a shining public image. Attempting to publicise his crimes in any meaningful way, even with rock solid evidence, would have made the publiciser the target of a shitstorm in which they would lose a great deal even if proved right. And knowledge and understanding of those kinds of sexual crimes against vulnerable women and girls was much less than now during the bulk of his offending. Savile's crimes came out after he died because then he could no longer sue and/or destroy people through his media presence. There was no conspiracy. Just good old-fashioned power dynamics and bias in a deeply imperfect world.

Corruption does not infrequently come out. And then the media publicise it, and the evidence is weighed, and the law gets involved. Three typical humans can barely agree on what the weather outside is like, much less to perpetrate a massive cover-up for unsavoury reasons, which they go along with for... unclear.

divinededacende · 08/11/2023 12:51

@SylvieLaufeydottir This! For me, this is where the biggest flaw in logic comes. People are not designed for huge interconnected conspiracies. The sheer volume of people who would have to be in agreement in order to perpetrate some of the wildest of these theories is insane and completely go's against everything we see of human nature.

There's also the mess of our systems. I've sat in meetings of the Health & Social Care Partnership where two completely different groups were duplicating the same work to plug the same gap in services and neither knew the other existed until I pointed it out and neither group could actually hone in on the detail of how to make it happen anyway. I tried to use this example to explain to my Aunt (who's so far down the rabbit hole) that there are so many levels of madness that policy has to work it's way through before it makes it to ground level that a conspiracy on the level she believes in could never be implemented in any meaningful way.

coldcallerbaiter · 08/11/2023 12:54

The Diana death conspiracy theories, what do you all think about those?

CoffeeCantata · 08/11/2023 12:55

This is why I dread a taxi ride...it always happens to me too!

therealcookiemonster · 08/11/2023 12:55

@VickyEadieofThigh how does trump have the time to sort it all out while dealing with his court cases.

@AquamarineBalloon sounds super annoying. if it was an uber, there is an option to choose 'quiet' I think.

I think a lot more people believe in conspiracy theories than we realise. the loud ones go on about it. it's the quiet ones that worry me more....

although I do enjoy watching flat earther interviews. 😂

BarborousBarbra · 08/11/2023 12:58

I mean if I genuinely thought 9/11 was. an inside job or the royal family were lizards I'd be shouting it from the rooftops in the hope people would take notice and do something I suppose.

funbags3 · 08/11/2023 12:59

The truth is out there, just not where these people look.

BertieBotts · 08/11/2023 13:01

I think a combination of COVID and tiktok, they both came up at around the same time.

COVID provided a confusing, unclear thing that was presented as this doom/danger, but then wasn't visible to the majority of people in such a way as e.g. presented in an apocalyptic movie, which meant a lot of people were confused about what the messages meant. I think it also became really clear at this point that most people struggle with nuance - they want a clear answer one way or another (the virus is incredibly dangerous, or it's harmless - the reality is it's mostly harmless to most people but incredibly dangerous if you're particularly vulnerable and/or unlucky. And larger numbers of ill people place a strain on healthcare services. But that isn't a nice easy answer.)

Conspiracy theories easily fill that gap between what people expected a pandemic to be like vs what it was actually like for the majority.

It was also a moving target - the scientific "best guess" was constantly changing and evolving, which provided more confusion. Conspiracy theories excel at giving a concrete answer to an unanswerable question. Because they thrive on being confidently concrete they like to point at scientific uncertainty and call this "lies" or "misleading".

The government did not act in an organised way, which reduced confidence. Confidence in the government was already low/fractured due to other world events (very split elections, Brexit, other "culture wars" type things, austerity, cuts to public services). People are disillusioned by all the political parties. Conspiracy theories again provide a nice neat explanation and hint at an easy packaged wrapped up solution. Real life is not like that so no real solution can exist like that, but conspiracy theorists love them because people are drawn to nice easy solutions and we want to believe they are realistic.

Tiktok exacerbates all of this by allowing anyone to make content and by having an extremely effective algorithm which quickly sorts out the engaging content from the non engaging. Meaning that the most engaging content gets out reaching billions of people, inspiring many of them to subscribe to this particular worldview, and get involved/make their own theories and videos and such.

Content that is engaging tends to be that which is extreme or provokes strong emotions in people. So you get very polarised trends on tiktok meaning that person A and person B are having totally opposite feeds, but it can feel like "everyone is saying this"

Then there are psychological phenomenon such as that if you see something repeated enough times your brain absorbs it as true information, even if you might logically know that it is not true. This is probably just a shortcut that makes sense in a biological world where you meet a small number of real humans, where faced with multiple theories/opinions, the most often repeated is probably true. It makes less sense in a digital environment where you can be bombarded with hundreds of messages within a few minutes.

Conspiracy theorists have a very clear operating formula which is to pick something that people are unclear about but which seems unpleasant in some way (whether this is government control, covid, covid restrictions, autism, letting a doctor momentarily hurt your baby by injecting them) and big up up up up the fear factor and then switch to soothing, protective, don't worry I know the answer, do you want to know? Kind of tones.

It's very very compelling. It seems nutty from the outside but they find a crack and they chisel that and exploit it. Mistrust in government is a very easy one for them. And this has become higher.

Then the next part of the formula is to pivot to the next issue. Whatever is current they jump on, to the point they become inconsistent within themselves. I was listening to an interview with an ex-antivaxxer the other day and she said that one of the big things that made her stop and think was the fact that in all her antivax groups, people had maintained that in a Measles outbreak, they would use quarantine and hygiene instead of vaccinating, but then when it came to COVID, they refused to do these things.

I think if you want to stop conspiracy theorists you want to genuinely look with compassion and curiosity, but also critically at the reasons why people lose trust in government, police, the medical profession, the media, experts in general. Most people turn to conspiracy theories because it's the first time any kind of authoritative source/voice has actually made sense to them. So why aren't the voices of the actual authorities who are responsible for them not making sense? Why aren't they finding compassion and understanding there? You often find conspiracies are rife among marginalised groups for example, who haven't been treated well by authority.

MrsPinkL · 08/11/2023 13:04

It’s always the “doing my research” line that gets me. Normally for most this will consist of quickly looking at page 48 of Google or one of those doggy Facebook articles they’ve clicked on.

It was a train ride where one caught me off guard recently, all the people coming in on the boats are UN soldiers coming to fight as an army and take away all our rights because the British army refused to fight its own citizens.
Seen it on Tik too apparently so it must be true then!

NotSorry · 08/11/2023 13:05

At our staff Christmas lunch last year, I got stuck opposite an anti-vaxxer - not even sure how he managed to steer the conversation around to it as we'd not been discussing it. He was a boring wanker. OP YANBU

CoodleMoodle · 08/11/2023 13:31

I went to a parents' group at my DC school last year, originally for those of us with anxious kids. As the weeks went on it dwindled to two or three of us going every week, and we finished the course so just used to meet up for a chat and to cut out resources for the school.

One of the other parents was full of this BS. She was a "I tell it like it is" type. When she started on about flat Earth, I decided it was no longer the group for me! There were Covid theories too, and moon landing, and some American witch doctor who could apparently solve everything. Thankfully the two women who ran the group were more on my side of thinking, but I didn't go back this year as I couldn't listen to any more! And she'd seemed quite normal before that...

Topofthemountain · 08/11/2023 13:35

I am currently listening to the podcast Hoaxed, and they do delve into some of these issues. A sense of purpose for some, a real feeling that they are saving the world, and they need to spread the word. In this particular Hoax they also had people involved who added credibility - an ex police officer, Wilfred Wong, a barrister who was later jailed for his part in the kidnapping of a child, for example.

divinededacende · 08/11/2023 13:40

therealcookiemonster · 08/11/2023 12:55

@VickyEadieofThigh how does trump have the time to sort it all out while dealing with his court cases.

@AquamarineBalloon sounds super annoying. if it was an uber, there is an option to choose 'quiet' I think.

I think a lot more people believe in conspiracy theories than we realise. the loud ones go on about it. it's the quiet ones that worry me more....

although I do enjoy watching flat earther interviews. 😂

I'm with you, a lot of it is totally insidious but I have all the time in the world for flat earthers. They are a gift.

Grapefruitsquash · 08/11/2023 13:40

coldcallerbaiter · 08/11/2023 12:54

The Diana death conspiracy theories, what do you all think about those?

They're obviously rubbish. If you intend to kill someone a car accident is not a guaranteed way. One person survived anyway. She got into a car with a drunk driver and without using a seat belt.

Abhannmor · 08/11/2023 13:54

Mothership4two · 08/11/2023 10:08

Apparently there is a powerful secret society that is attempting to turn Jew, Muslim and Christian against each other to bring about an "end of days".

Armaggedon outta here ! But seriously yeah. I have a relative who has started bombarding me with all sorts of theories. Thankfully not Antisemitic. But everything else eg vaccines, fluoride, 5G , World Economic Forum , AI , Bilderberg , chemtrails. Global warming is a con. We should only eat meat like our caveman ancestors. And much more.

It's exhausting. The saddest part is they live lives of such heightened anxiety. And frustration that we all ' don't get it' and are somehow damned as a consequence.

NeverTrustAPoliceman · 08/11/2023 13:54

I know someone, have known him for nearly 50 years, who puts post after post on fb to which barely anyone responds. He is an expert, we are led to think, on just about every topic there is. 9/11 - only the stupid believe it was planes, Covid - all a massive hoax, Royal Family - all lizards although I think the queen was exempted. Now the world's expert on the Israel/Gaza war, which Trump is going to solve any day now.....

Two or three times a year his fb page goes quiet and I find out from mutual contacts that he is having another stay in a psychiatric unit.

It's quite sad. He used to be a successful businessman with a lovely wife. Now living alone and rejected due to his opinions, everyone has distanced themselves.

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