To send my Ukrainian ex-guest her tax number?

[Mmmkaay]

Bit of a long story but I'll try to keep it as brief as I can - last year we hosted a Ukrainian mother and 18yr old daughter from April to September. They were ok mostly but had a habit of withholding the truth (and major strops if they didn't get their own way but that's another story!) It turned out after 2 months that they weren't in danger in Ukraine but needed to earn money. Eventually they returned - daughter wanted to be back with her boyfriend and mum had made enough to pay for her second year at university so fair enough, we parted on ok terms, not close but no big fall outs.

Fast forward to a couple of weeks ago and mum gets in touch to say she's in the UK again, living in Ramsgate, she came to England to visit her husband (not sure how he got here, he couldn't leave the country last year) discovered he had another woman, was divorcing him and has found a job. Her daughter has moved in with her boyfriend in Ukraine so she's on her own. The reason she got in touch with me was because she had applied for her personal tax code and it was being sent to my address! And could I send it on? I was a bit pissed off, and responded that it seemed that as usual, she had only got in touch when she wanted something. (TBH I doubt she'd have got in touch at all had she not needed something from me.)

This letter has now arrived at my address - she tells me that she has informed HMRC of her new address but still wants me to send the letter to her as she needs the code. I'm not sure whether to do this - I've offered to open it, photograph the contents and send to her but she says she needs the original. I do feel sorry for her as I think she's clearly had a hard time recently (assuming she's telling me the truth) but am I opening myself up for trouble if HMRC think she's still associated with my address? Is there a reason she needs the original copy?

YABU - send the poor woman her letter!
YANBU - you'll have hordes of debt collectors on your doorstep if you don't disassociate yourself now

Thanks

Phone hmrc and ask if you are allowed to send it on or do they need it back imo

She applied using an address she no longer lives at. Why didn't she apply using her new address. Send the letter back to HMRC with 'no longer at this address' on it. If anything untoward is going on then you've made it clear you're not a part of it.

“Return to sender. Not at this address”

Official HMRC advise is to cross out the address, write not at this address, and put it in the postbox. After that you do not need to do anything. They at no stage say you should be forwarding their letters onto another address.

HMRC letters are documents that can be used for Verification of Identity and address for financial and business matters including DWP. That is why you could wind up with debt collector/fraud problems. Send the letter back to HMRC with a note of what you believe to be her current address. She wants the principal because copies are not acceptable for Verification of Identity and address.

Personally I wouldn't. It's proof of her address, and she can get loans/credit cards secured to your address. My brother did this to our mum after he moved out. Just don't. I'd return the letter to the tax office, and write that she doesn't live there. She needs to give them her real address to get it. You'll be sorry if bailiffs turn up, all because you didn't wish to offend her. We didn't think my brother was the type to do that, but he did.

You say she says she has notified HMRC of her new address. Then she will receive the letter in 2 days. They will generate it on notification if the original notification has been sent to the wrong address. Why can she not wait 2 days.

She is using your address and you have no proof she has told HMRC of her new address. Send it back to HMRC saying she no longer lives at your house. A friend had similar with a woman who moved to France using my friend's address with DVLA. It's fraudulent and possibly the thin end of the wedge of credit issues.

That’s what I’d do - forward it on and then just call and let HMRC know she’s not at your address.

Absolutely this. There was a lot of stuff at the time that drove me mad, especially the lying and secrecy, but I let it go. I'm not perfect either. I think I was just hurt that even after everything we did, she wasn't going to let us know she was back in the UK.

Not trying to be petty, just to work out if I'm leaving myself vulnerable to fraud etc if I send the original copy of the letter to her. The decent part of me wants to help. The rational part of me thinks I'd be an idiot if I do it.

I'll be pleased if this is the case.

Just send it to her, why all the dramatics!!!???

It's an official document that can be used as proof of address - but she doesn't live there.

She doesn't want it for the NI number as she would know that already or just ask for a scan of it

So no, I wouldn't send it on. I'd probably photograph the actual number and send that to her

I'd return it to HMRC with 'not know at this address' on it.

No wonder so many stupid people get scammed reading some of the responses on this thread.

Don't send the letter on. It can be used as proof she lives at your address. Return to sender and HMRC can send a new letter to her new address.

Edit: meant to include this post

Also this.

And i think everyone in Ukraine is still in danger. The Russians bombed Lviv not long ago, and it’s as far from the border as you like - everyone claims it’s safe. You never quite know where strikes will be sadly.

Palestinians are also in mortal danger, can we host them too now? I'd be happy to offer a room.

If it's not her permanent address you need to let hmrc know. It's proof of address letter for all sorts and likely she doesn't have a permanent address for things so has used yours. Aside from fraud it could open up a whole other can of worms for you if she starts to get ccjs etc registered against your address etc if it's still her registered formal address
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Also, don't post the letter on. She can re-order it to the correct address- if not, why not?

I have a Ukrainian refugee with me (she's been with me since April 22) she should of had her NINo when she first arrived. As it is used to get the BRP card.

She can also get it by going to the Jobcentre with her passport and answering specific questions such as your last address (which will be yours) .. so not much difference really.

If it's her unique tax reference number (UTRN) then just send it to her and notify HMRC and stop making unnecessary drama.

As an aside I am intrigued by the comment 'it turned out they weren't in danger in Ukraine after two months and just wanted to earn money'
You sound incredibly naive about the situation in Ukraine. ! Just like this country in a time of war - not everywhere is under attack at every moment. So whilst my guest wasn't 'at risk' when she left - her town was bombarded 3 months later. Then it calmed sufficiently for her to go back and retrieve some belongings.. but as things stand at the moment , that same journey would be fraught with danger.

... and yes - of course she needed to earn money . How on Earth would the two of them survive without doing so. Why did you regard that as some sort of con ? (Perhaps that's a bit strong but you do seem hacked off that she wanted work)

The economy in Ukraine is severely affected and many many businesses are no longer operating. Why would this be an unusual state of affairs for your guest. ? Mine works as a freelancer . At the beginning of the war the majority of it was Ukraine based. Now it's 70/30 based in UK.

Send back to sender - not at this address, end of. She can find a way to contact them and get it sent to her new add.

YADNBU

This woman has already demonstrated she’s extremely deceitful and fraudulent.

Do not send it.

Let her sort it out with HMRC with her official address.

It is illegal for them to have incorrect address details etc.

This is to prevent fraud.

There is absolutely no need for her to ‘use’ your address for anything.

I don’t want to worry you, but on another note, she could take credit out using your address etc etc.

Cut her off asap.

Send it back to hrmc