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AIBU?

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something untoward or none of my beeswax?

48 replies

curtaintwitchersannonymous · 02/11/2023 16:53

I live in a block of 6 flats, two on each level, and we have two shared gardens, one for the right side families and one for the left. This AIBU concerns the ground floor family below me, who I share a garden with.

Single mother, often has about 3 young children playing in the garden, quite often for most of the day. Sometimes 2 or 4 children, all different ages. I may be in the garden too, and say hello, and introduce myself, and ask for names, but I don't seem to remember their names very well - but then I am terrible with names and faces, always have been.

But it has just occurred to me I might have been being given different names at different times. I remember at least 2 names, but they never occurred again, so I thought nicknames, or middle names or something.

You know when you have known a neighbour for over a year, and you don't really feel comfortable asking their name again, because it seems you should know it.

Anyway, I just saw a girl in the garden, about 11 or 12, local secondary school uniform, and just thought about some mail I had wrongly delivered, and went to ask her her mums name. She said she couldn't pronounce her mums name. So I told her the name on the mail, and she said that is her auntie's name, so I gave her the mail. And I asked her her name.

I don't think I have seen this girl or heard this name before. She is huddled up under a sort of standing platform on an old climbing frame, in the rain, saying her mum will be back shortly. I am not convinced that she knows the woman who's house she is waiting to enter. But she is in a local school uniform, so presumably has proven identity??

I told her to ring my bell if her mum wasn't home soon, and wait in the warm, but I don't think she knew who I was, or where I lived, or that we share a garden.

Now I come to think of it, I have seen at least 3 ages of girl and 2 ages of boy playing in the garden, and going in and out of the flat - at least one girl is preschool, one around 4/5 and one around 9. These 3 have been out playing over this last week - I don't really recognise them, and they don't seem to recognise me either. I don't know if they are the same children I saw playing out in the summer.

Boys playing football, one mid secondary age, and one about 9/10/11 I would say -

As to how many different adults I have thought were staying there, I don't know, 2 at least. Maybe more

It is a two bedroom flat and the landlord told me a single mother was moving in, she has been there about 18 months.

I feel like I am being really thick - either I should know them all, or I should know that I don't know them.

Does any of this sound worrying to you? Or do I just sound like an idiot?

OP posts:
MissHoollie · 02/11/2023 20:54

If your radar is saying something may not be right then I'd say act on it
A quick call to police

PetsAreBetter · 02/11/2023 21:16

Maybe she does respite care or foster care? If you're uneasy and think something is going on, you could let someone know, just to be sure. It seems unlikely that anyone with anything untoward going on would let children be out in view like that though.

AppropriateAdult · 02/11/2023 21:42

Unless there are lots of men coming and going or you see signs of the children being neglected or abused, I'd keep out. The most likely situation is that there are more people living there than the landlord is aware of, or there is an unofficial childcare set-up, neither of which would be reason for you to intervene. So what if the girl you spoke to doesn't live there? Couldn't she just have been visiting her aunt? If the children are attending school and appear generally happy and well cared-for, I'd be inclined to mind my own business.

curtaintwitchersannonymous · 02/11/2023 22:06

There is a difference between unregistered childminder and illegal fosterer though, I would consider first one not my business, and second one very much my business

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Luxurybeliefspreader · 02/11/2023 22:41

Foster carers have to have bedrooms for each child (unless they are siblings) , it would be highly unlikely a single woman would be approved as a foster carer for so many children of different ages living in a two bedroom flat.

Luxurybeliefspreader · 02/11/2023 22:43

Also I wouldn't start trying to ask the woman questions because you are putting yourself in a vulnerable position then and of you did then have to report it she will probably know it's you.
I'd keep my distance but report it to children's services- put any investigation in their hands.

curtaintwitchersannonymous · 02/11/2023 22:46

Luxurybeliefspreader · 02/11/2023 22:41

Foster carers have to have bedrooms for each child (unless they are siblings) , it would be highly unlikely a single woman would be approved as a foster carer for so many children of different ages living in a two bedroom flat.

no, it cant possibly be legal fostering, can it. If its fostering then it is illegal

OP posts:
curtaintwitchersannonymous · 02/11/2023 22:46

Luxurybeliefspreader · 02/11/2023 22:43

Also I wouldn't start trying to ask the woman questions because you are putting yourself in a vulnerable position then and of you did then have to report it she will probably know it's you.
I'd keep my distance but report it to children's services- put any investigation in their hands.

yes, you are right, this is what I am going to do

OP posts:
Lochroy · 02/11/2023 22:54

I agree with pp, that if something feels off, you need to report it. If it's all fine, then nothing untoward will happen.

fringebens · 02/11/2023 22:55

I’d keep an eye on the children

Luana1 · 02/11/2023 23:00

Sorry I found it a bit hard to follow your OP - are you saying that you never see the same children twice - so the mother doesn't have her children with her anymore, but there are lots of random ones instead? Are you concerned about what's happened to the children she originally had with her?

LimeCheesecake · 02/11/2023 23:02

If she was a registered as a childminder, then the children wouldn’t be able to use the shared garden unless you (and the other residents with right to use the garden) were also DBS checked.

reporting to child services seems a good start.

J316 · 02/11/2023 23:19

Could it be most of the children don’t actually live there, maybe friends or cousins, you’re neighbour could have a lot of siblings, the 12 year old already said your neighbour was her aunt and possibly waiting for them both to come back 🤔🤷‍♀️

AppropriateAdult · 02/11/2023 23:24

LimeCheesecake · 02/11/2023 23:02

If she was a registered as a childminder, then the children wouldn’t be able to use the shared garden unless you (and the other residents with right to use the garden) were also DBS checked.

reporting to child services seems a good start.

Even if she was unregistered, would it be cause for a neighbour to report her? There doesn't seem to be anything to suggest that the kids the OP has seen are in danger.

OrderOfTheKookaburra · 02/11/2023 23:28

Sometimes the English and native language versions go a name can be very different. My niece and nephew had no idea how to say my name in English when they were little.

therealcookiemonster · 02/11/2023 23:33

this can be so easily explained... single mum lives there.... maybe she has family staying, or family member with kids moved nearby and now they come to visit, or she has her friends kids over.

snackatack · 02/11/2023 23:49

OhComeOnFFS · 02/11/2023 16:57

Boys of mid-secondary age don't tend to have a childminder.

they might if they are SEN . This could also explain the lack of being forthcoming with a name.

penjil · 02/11/2023 23:49

I'm concerned the girl of 12 couldn't (or didn't know how) to say her Mum's name.

Are these people in the flat below foreigners?

I wonder if there is some semi-illegal fostering or child-minding going on? I wonder if they don't realise it can only be done by registered persons...?

FrostieBoabby · 03/11/2023 00:19

Maybe the kids are nervous about telling a stranger their real name in case your going to complain about something to their parents or just stranger danger being drummed in to them?

LimeCheesecake · 03/11/2023 10:17

@AppropriateAdult - there’s issues with the care she’s offering though if she is a childminder, there are children being left unsupervised in a communal garden when the childminder doesnt really know the other adults who have access to the garden, sometimes the children are left without access to shelter from the rain. They might be children from a large family visiting, but there are a few red flags here that possibly could do with being checked.

AppropriateAdult · 03/11/2023 11:58

LimeCheesecake · 03/11/2023 10:17

@AppropriateAdult - there’s issues with the care she’s offering though if she is a childminder, there are children being left unsupervised in a communal garden when the childminder doesnt really know the other adults who have access to the garden, sometimes the children are left without access to shelter from the rain. They might be children from a large family visiting, but there are a few red flags here that possibly could do with being checked.

I think you need a better reason than that to potentially threaten somebody's livelihood and/or tenancy. Nothing OP has said suggests these children are being neglected - they're playing in the garden and going in and out of the flat. A secondary school-age child being out in the rain for a few minutes while she waits for an adult to get home is not particularly concerning, is it?

LimeCheesecake · 03/11/2023 14:30

If she isn’t a registered childminder then she should have her income threatened - the checks, inspections and registration process for childminders isn’t just the government being nasty, it’s important for children’s safety. And young children being unsupervised in a shared garden, where adults who the childminder doesn’t know and has no idea what they are like have free access is a safeguarding issue.

she might not be a childminder, but the OP is concerned and sometimes we need to not just ignore when we think something isn’t right- particularly when children are involved.

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