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To not wear a poppy?

227 replies

Notjustmesurely · 31/10/2023 15:27

I just don’t like how it’s expected or assumed you will wear one.
A friend at work bought me a poppy bracelet type thing which was kind of her but I literally wore it for that one shift and haven’t worn it since.
I appreciate its symbolism but don’t appreciate the assumption that everyone is going to be wearing one or HAS
to wear one to appreciate the cause.
If I were to wear one it would be for the conscripts who had no choice in the matter during the world wars. Not for the “modern day” political wars that the UK has involved itself in. Help for heroes and all that. The charity should come from the politicians who vote for it imo?
Newsreaders and celebs slated for not wearing one as well, what’s that all about.
Dunno it just all seems a bit fascist these days.
I always have and always will observe the two minutes silence tho.

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OchonAgusOchonOh · 01/11/2023 19:44

Willyoujustbequiet · 01/11/2023 19:23

Given how many thousands of Irishmen paid the ultimate sactifice in the world wars I would think that sad that they won't respect their own countrymen.

That or they have no grasp of their own history.

It is perfectly possible to respect our own countrymen with also respecting the oppressor.

You appear to be the one without a grasp of your own history.

CowboyJoanna · 01/11/2023 19:50

SweetBirdsong · 01/11/2023 19:15

??? Confused What a strange comment!

There is nothing 'ridiculous' about wearing white poppies!

https://www.ppu.org.uk/remembrance-white-poppies

The official poppies are red. The ones that actually have meaning and respect for our soldiers and country, instead of a hippie "im so different" pacifist message.

Notjustmesurely · 01/11/2023 19:54

Abbimae · 01/11/2023 19:19

How is wearing a poppy fascist
?????

I didn’t say it was

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PeachBlossom1234 · 01/11/2023 19:55

I work for a military charity in the fundraising department, not the poppy one but a different one. We do our own remembrance service and we don’t expect people to wear a poppy. People support charities in different ways, none of which are wrong. Please don’t feel like you need to wear one because society says you should, I don’t think that’s necessarily true at all, we still remember those who sacrificed their lives for our freedom regardless of wearing one.

I personally like to support smaller charities who make a difference on a more individual basis like those offering counselling or housing for ex-servicemen and women.

I also don’t support that big poppy charity because they’re one of the ones with hundreds of thousands of pounds in their reserves, but that’s another topic.

Fionaville · 01/11/2023 19:55

I don't agree with people being slated for not wearing one. I'm naturally contrary, so as soon as I feel I have to do something or people will disapprove, then I'm obliged to not do it.
If I see a collection bucket, I'll throw some money in but I won't bother taking a poppy. My grandfather was draughted and fought in WW2, he never wore one either.

Flatulence · 01/11/2023 20:04

Wear a poppy or don't wear a poppy. Unless you're a public figure, no one is going to care; berating public figures is a whole other thread.
What I will say is that the RBL - who run the annual Poppy Appeal - do an incredible job fighting for the rights and supporting people who did a job and - as a result of their job - were injured, made ill, or struggle as a result of the work they did.
Whatever your thoughts on war are, I hope you agree that people employed to do a job should not expect to struggle for the rest of their lives as a result of going to work. The sad reality is that many former servicemen and women (and their families) do struggle as a result of the work they did... And that work isn't always war. Armed forces personnel work to protect national security via intelligence work, for example.
Of course, the Government should ensure that their employees - current and former - are looked after. That's what the Military Convenant is meant to ensure. However the reality is that many former armed forces personnel and their families are not looked after. And as a result, caring for them and looking after their rights fall to the charitable sector.
Like I said, wear a poppy or don't wear a poppy. I suspect most people will not notice and not care. But if you think by declining to donate you're taking a moral stance against war, all you're actually doing is declining to give money to people who've been screwed over by their employer.

CranfordScones · 01/11/2023 20:13

Just like all charities, the Royal British Legion invites you to support them and to wear a poppy.

They're inviting you to do so. They're not daring you to not wear one.

Either wear one or don't.

But don't expect others to indulge your performative non-wearing.

Butlinsorbust · 01/11/2023 20:16

I am sorry that people feel that they cannot support the poppy appeal where the RBL do a wonderful job in assisting injured and traumatised service personnel.

A different way of looking at it is possibly giving money to suppirt soldiers who shot civilians on Bloody Sunday. Surely you can stretch your imagination to see why some would balk.’

I don’t wear a poppy - despite my grandparents serving in WW1 & 2 because I grew up with British soldiers pointing their guns at me. I don’t support any military. I don’t give to any military charity - but I do give to many whose work I support.

Why on earth would I want to support Ex British paras?

Butlinsorbust · 01/11/2023 20:18

‘Either wear one or don't.

But don't expect others to indulge your performative non-wearing.’

oh that did make me laugh! ‘Performative’ is wearing a poppy, not wearing one is, well, just not wearing one.

Damnloginpopup · 01/11/2023 20:24

I'm a former member of the British Army. I wouldn't notice if you wear a poppy or not and I don't care if you do or not. As it happens I've not yet got one nor have I donated yet. (I will get around to it sometime). It's purely up to you if you wear a red poppy or not, but as far as I'm concerned anyone wearing a white one is a cunt. A disrespectful, self-important cunt.

RedVanYellowVan · 01/11/2023 20:24

I don't usually wear one. That doesn't stop me donating to a relevant charity or thinking of other people. If anyone thinks I'm being unreasonable or disrespectful then that is their problem, it certainly is not mine.

headstone · 01/11/2023 20:35

War is nothing but legalised murder, it shouldn’t be celebrated like it is in this country. The poppy sadly represents are love of war .

Grapewrath · 01/11/2023 20:37

I don’t think anyone should dictate which charities you should support
Its completely up to you
I personally do not wear a poppy-nobody has ever challenged this and if they did I’d tell them to do one

Tranche · 01/11/2023 20:40

Never worn one and I never will.
My heart goes out to the young people who died and their families. I don’t need to show the world a red flower to demonstrate that.

I will observe the silence of course. And also think about people all over the world who are still caught up in war. Congo, Sudan, Yemen etc and the current horror show. That’s enough.

Notjustmesurely · 01/11/2023 20:47

Damnloginpopup · 01/11/2023 20:24

I'm a former member of the British Army. I wouldn't notice if you wear a poppy or not and I don't care if you do or not. As it happens I've not yet got one nor have I donated yet. (I will get around to it sometime). It's purely up to you if you wear a red poppy or not, but as far as I'm concerned anyone wearing a white one is a cunt. A disrespectful, self-important cunt.

Ooh really? I didn’t realise they were so controversial?

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Butlinsorbust · 01/11/2023 20:55

‘but as far as I'm concerned anyone wearing a white one is a cunt. A disrespectful, self-important cunt.’

Lovely, you kiss your mother with that mouth?
Get a grip. White, red, sunflower, buttercup, daffodil, whatever. Who really cares? Really though, who cares?
wear whatever brooch, ribbon, flower, flag you want if it means something to you. And ignore anyone who thinks you’re a cunt’ for not thinking the way they do.

Shalopea · 01/11/2023 20:59

Why would you be angry to see a white poppy?

They were first produced in 1933 in the aftermath of the First World War, by members of the Co-operative Women's Guild. Many of these women had lost family and friends in the First World War. They wanted to hold on to the key message of Remembrance Day, 'never again'.

White poppies stand for three things.

  1. Remembrance of all victims of war, including both civilians and members of the armed forces. We remember people of all nationalities. We remember those killed in wars happening now, as well as in the past. We also remember those who are often excluded from the mainstream, such as refugees and victims of colonial conflicts.
  2. Challenging war and militarism, as well as any attempt to glorify or celebrate war. White poppies encourage us to question the way war is normalised and justified. They remind us of the need to resist war and its causes today.
  3. A commitment to peace and to seeking nonviolent solutions to conflict. By drawing attention to the devastating human cost of war, white poppies highlight the urgency of our ongoing struggle for peace.
Butlinsorbust · 01/11/2023 21:01

The white poppy has been a symbol
of peace since WW1. So I can see why some people like to wear them. Not sure why it’s seen as disrespectful to hope that our military don’t actually have to kill people.

‘poet Benjamin Zephaniah explains why he wears a white poppy. "I love wearing my white poppy... We have to remember all victims of war, not just the select few. And we have to work towards a world where there is no war."

Vikina · 01/11/2023 21:07

My dad fought in WW2 and was at the D Day landings. He was just 20 when he was called up. I don't remember him ever wearing a poppy. He fought for our right to choose. I choose to wear one but I don't judge others who don't. However I think we forget the service given at our peril. We should remember why they fought and make sure it never happens again.

Chicaontour · 01/11/2023 21:12

This is an ongoing issue in Northern Ireland. The government are trying to pass a law that will prevent British military from ever being prosecuted for crimes committed in NI.

Chicaontour · 01/11/2023 21:14

VILE

ExTheCheater · 01/11/2023 21:16

I never wear one and never felt judged. Think you are over thinking it.

iap · 01/11/2023 21:21

I wear a poppy because I would never have been born, if it weren’t for the sacrifice of soldiers who fought Hitler. My family would all be dead.
I wear a poppy because I want my children to know peace is precious, and not an accident, but hard won - this is the most peaceful generation in millennia. I am grateful for all who laid down their life to make it possible.
I wear a poppy because I think that this hard won peace is likely soon to shatter and I want to honour it while I can.

Of course it’s your choice whether to wear a poppy - we are, thank god, a free country - but I’m glad other people wear them too.

Brumbies · 01/11/2023 21:28

Sayitaintso33 · 31/10/2023 15:48

I never wear a poppy, for reasons very similar to the ones you have expressed, but often put a bit of money in the collecting tin because I admire the sacrifice of individual soldiers.

I get quite cross (quietly) at the people who have bought one enamelled broach and never contribute again - of course, I don't know how often they donate, but the cynic in me fears, that it is rarely.

I have a couple of enamel poppies, and I still give every year.

Pheasantsgame · 01/11/2023 21:30

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