Electric vehicle parking spaces

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Is it reasonable to park a non EV in an EV parking space?

the ones near me have quite a lot of extra space around them as they were previously disabled and parent and child parking. And are much more convenient than where the disabled and parent/child spaces have been relocated to.

are these spaces protected as per disability spaces? Or are they viewed as more of a courtesy as per parent/child spaces?

YABU - EV spaces should be for EV’s only
YANBU - EV spaces are a courtesy like P&C spaces and it’s just unfortunate if an EV is unable to use the space.

Which unfortunately happens a LOT by silly people parking in them 🙄

Monile/not mobile that should have read

I'm not keen on electric vehicles and don't think they actually have the environmental benefit they supposedly do and get a bit sick of the lectures from the people I know that so have them!
But - I would never block an EV space as it is for charging. It is different to P&C which is a convenience in place for parents.
However I don't understand why they are so close to the store entrance and I also bet lots of people with EVs park there when they aren't charging their cars (I have never see a a sign that says you have to be charging your car to use them).

As I’ve seen mentioned, YABVVVVVVU.

1. They are charging bays.
2. They are not Parking spaces
3. All EVs PAY MONEY to charge in those bays.
4. Those bays are a paid service and not a “courtesy” although they are on a first come first served basis (EV only).
5. On average, with today prices, the average customer, would be spending £15-£20 to charge in that bay.

So are you unreasonable to park there and block the bay because you cba to walk? Fuck yes!!!

That’s not the same 🤦🏼‍♀️

Parent and child spaces are not a paid service.
You don’t own an EV so move!

Ye reason why they tend to be close to the building (leisure care, supermarket etc) is because they are usually retrofitted in the last few years so the ground needs to be dug up, fairly heavy expensive cables run underground so it males economic sense to have them reasonably close to wherever the actual electricity supply is and this is usually near the entrance of the building.
So to place them further away you would basically have to dig up half the parking area.

Our council fines if electric vehicles are parked in them but not being charged.

Out car looks like an EV but isn't so ill happily park in those spaces. Thank you very much !

Both people are twats. Are you a twat? 😅

I have done this a couple of times, I have an extension cable for the charger and I have parked in front plugged in and blocked the offending car in and did my shopping.

I’m pretty sure these are protected and you have to have an EV or hybrid. It’ll be in part to encourage the switch to EVs.

All of these systems are monitored - they know the minute you're at 100% charge. At work I get 15 minutes after I get to 100% to move my car, or I start getting a per-minute fine that's automatically removed since it's linked to my credit card. I usually move it at closer to 90% so I don't get stuck in a meeting.

Ah, thanks - interesting. I didn't know that (well, I don't own an EV and thus never use those spaces, so wouldn't have any reason to know).

So what happens in the scenario that I mentioned, when you need to both charge your EV AND you need to park somewhere where the spaces quickly fill up all day? Do you resign yourself to having to pay a huge fine for leaving your car there long after it is charged, so that you can enjoy the day doing what you actually came there for (and being hated by other EV owners with flat batteries in the meantime); or do you have to cut short your day and drive straight home immediately after charging?

Is there any way to 'nobble' the settings for your car, so that it only trickle-charges extremely slowly - if unwanted fast-charging is going to effectively wreck your day and force you to go home far too early, once you no longer 'need' your space as much as somebody else might?

Is this potentially like a high-tech version of 'is man made for the Sabbath or is the Sabbath made for man?' - with 'EV' here taking the place of 'the Sabbath'?

I'm already personally strongly deterred by EVs and their many apparent disadvantages - and knowing that you could risk a hefty fine if you don't strictly fulfil both of the required purposes in occupying an EV space (in contrast to the one straightforward purpose that you pay for with an ICE vehicle using a normal space: parking only) is hardly helping to sway me.

I suppose all of these issues are going to be eventually obsolete by the time we're all forced to have EVs and all but a handful of ICE vehicles have finally been chased out of town - once the remaining ICEs have all worn out and/or the price of petrol and diesel is comparable to that of cinema pick 'n' mix - as presumably every single space will be either for an EV to park, an EV to charge or both, so no driver would be at any advantage or disadvantage in using any one dual-purpose space; unless the charging facility was out of order, I guess.

Slightly off-topic, but I wonder how long it will be - with the fee for charging, the price for the parking (maybe at a premium, if people don't have the spare range to risk trying to find elsewhere) and the pay-per-mile tax that's coming soon - when EVs actually financially cost more to run than petrol or diesel vehicles currently do, irrespective of any environmental benefits in shifting the pollution out of town and to power stations to run them.

Again, this will probably only be a (albeit protracted) temporary problem - until nobody owns their own car anymore and you just call a driverless car on an app to take you where you need to go and then it goes away and sorts itself out so that it's ready for the next person.

They'll still find another way to get tax for it out of us actual humans, though...

Jesus. You don't NEED a P+C space, sure they are nice, but you can easily park in a normal space like you would in any other car park that doesn't have them. Charging spaces are not negotiable, it is not the same. Obviously. And you will all have EV eventually, hardly the same as choosing to have children.

I’m curious as to how a non EV looks like an EV. Do you have a fake charging point that you can attach the charging cable to?

"Out car looks like an EV but isn't so ill happily park in those spaces. Thank you very much !"

In what way does your car look like an EV? Does it have a fake green strip on the reg plate or do you have a fake charging cable? Given we're talking about these being spaces to charge your car, not park, I assume your cunningly disguise your car with a cable. Genius😐

I’ve googled, apparently fake charging ports are a thing. People place them over their fuel caps!

Where I live you can only park in the charging bay whilst charging and between 8am and 10pm that's for a maximum of 4 hours. You can alternatively leave them charging overnight from 7pm but must be moved by 9am. You get a ticket if parked there and not got an electric vehicle

if You leave an electric car attached to the charger but without charging because it’s finished charging, the company providing the service will charge you a fine on top of the electricity for not removing your car in a timely manner.

They are for charging, not parking.

Parking in one is a fairly d* move. People usually plan their charging stops, so by blocking a charger, you can really throw out someone's day for no good reason.

I've taken to carrying around a chalk paint marker for writing on the windscreens of cars parked in charging bays.

@CanIExtend "This is where I’m coming from. I’m just trying to understand why people can get so outraged at someone using/abusing an EV space yet simultaneously get outraged at someone expecting a PC space to be used appropriately"

Because they are for charging, not for parking.

If we can't charge, we can't drive home.

You must be totally brainless to not understand that, or you are just winding people up.

It's exactly like parking at a petrol pump and expecting people who need to fill up with petrol to park in a PC spot. Just dumb.

PC Spots are for convenience not a necessity to power your vehicle.

I happen to think that parking in a PC place if you don't have small kids is pretty poor form as well, though.

I have an ev. I've got a parking ticket for being in a charging bay but not charging (i'd plugged it in and fiddled with the app etc and thought it was working... it wasnt).

In a normal charging space the length of time it takes to charge it would probably be charging the whole time you were parked. However at the super chargers, there are signs that vehicles must be moved when finished charging. These are usually at motorway services etc.

No. Its a charging point as you fully know @CanIExtend . Not correct that they have used previous parent and child or disabled and I feel they could easily pop more charging bays further away.

Ours are often full now and you'd get a ticket just the same as people who stayed too long in other bays do

I don't disagree with some of your comments but do you also write on cars in disabled bays or parent and family bays incorrectly parked or only the charger points that annoy you?