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Chickenkeev · 2023-10-24T03:24:58+00:00

[[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabor_Mat%C3%A9 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabor_Mat%C3%A9]] Does anyone else listen to him? I've never felt as 'understood' as when i've listened to him. It sounds batshit, but what he says really makes so much sense to me. I had childhood trauma, so i suppose it's possible that what he says just suits my 'agenda', but really i don't think it's that. Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts?

koalaknickers · 24/10/2023 11:02

ChristmasFluff · 24/10/2023 10:54

@koalaknickers Lots of them are chiropractors because chiropractic is based on techniques chanelled from a dead person!

It sounds crazy, but it is true. Myles Power does a good explanation:
https://mylespower.co.uk/2019/08/11/chiropractic-quackery-hiding-in-plain-sight-2/

Wow! 😀

I have very rarely had back/neck trouble when when I do, I always see an osteopath.

koalaknickers · 24/10/2023 11:03

CaroleSinger · 24/10/2023 10:37

Be interested in his theory of how my DH has a predominantly female related autoimmune condition where only 1 in every 1000 sufferers will be male. He must have some pretty potential suppressed female anger going on there. No wonder he protests so much about washing up! 🤣

😂

XiCi · 24/10/2023 11:06

MiddleagedBeachbum · 24/10/2023 07:18

Yet within the healing world it’s pretty much know that auto immune diseases stem from trauma and undealt emotions

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There should be many many examples then within the 'healing world' of people being cured from progressive multiple sclerosis, crohns disease, lupus etc if they're just caused by 'undealt emotions ' . Is there any evidence at all of this?

koalaknickers · 24/10/2023 11:09

TemporarilyshyAF · 24/10/2023 10:51

What is 'the healing world' and how are type 1 diabetes and rheumatoid arthritis 'well known' to be caused by trauma? I'm interested.

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According to Louise Hay, these are the causes:

Rheumatoid Arthritis: Feeling victimized. Lack of love. Chronic bitterness. Resentment. Deep criticism of authority. Feeling very put upon.

Diabetes: Longing for what might have been. A great need to control. Deep sorrow. No sweetness left.

Louise Hay’s List of Causes of Symptoms - Kate Strong | Intuitive Healing

I couldn't find autoimmune for myself but I did find lungs:

Lung: The ability to take in life. Depression. Grief. Not feeling worthy of living life fully.

^ I mean, I can relate to some of that, but whether it caused ^my autoimmune disease, that's something else!

Louise Hay - Wikipedia

Louise Hay’s List of Causes of Symptoms - Kate Strong | Intuitive Healing

Louise Hay’s book You Can Heal Your Life was the first book I read that changed my perception about my body and illness.

https://www.katestrong.com/louise-hays-list-of-causes-of-symptoms/

Willyoujustbequiet · 24/10/2023 11:16

waterrat · 24/10/2023 10:50

He absolutely does not say adhd is a result simply of parental neglect

Ive read his book on adhd and he explains its an interaction if genetic condition with specific environmental factors. He has adhd as do his children he is very clear it is genetic.

Of course its also influenced by environmental factors and parenting

He is not a quack in the slightest

He is absolutely a quack.

Genetic diseases can be present at birth. So what suppressed female anger has a newborn boy with diabetes got?

wellSmart · 24/10/2023 11:16

I was just about to mention Louise Hay.
She was so far ahead of her time.
So many of her 'causes' have resonated with me and things I have learned through decades of therapy to try and resolve complex childhood trauma.
Again she also gets criticised for what she says about eg cystic fibrosis.
I think there's a vast amount that we don't yet know about the root cause of many illnesses.

Willyoujustbequiet · 24/10/2023 11:21

wellSmart · 24/10/2023 11:16

I was just about to mention Louise Hay.
She was so far ahead of her time.
So many of her 'causes' have resonated with me and things I have learned through decades of therapy to try and resolve complex childhood trauma.
Again she also gets criticised for what she says about eg cystic fibrosis.
I think there's a vast amount that we don't yet know about the root cause of many illnesses.

Another quack

That link says cancer is caused carrying hatreds. Incredibly offensive.

Iwasafool · 24/10/2023 11:24

MiddleagedBeachbum · 24/10/2023 07:18

Yet within the healing world it’s pretty much know that auto immune diseases stem from trauma and undealt emotions

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I find that hard to believe. We have a tendency to it in my family and I think it might be genetic. Unusually me and my siblings seem to have missed it which is funny as we are the ones who lost a parent as children and then went through issues with a step parent. If he was right I think we would be the most likely in the wider family to get it and we didn't, cousins with far less upset in their lives got it.

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Chickenkeev · 24/10/2023 11:24

I'd be extremely, extremely reluctant to attribute physical illnesses to childhood trauma tbh. It doesn't make any sense, apart from maybe something that occurred in the womb as baby was developing as a result of maternal stress. And even then, idk. BUT i do think, when your MH declines significantly, physical illness can follow. But that's hardly 'news' is it!

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Polecat07 · 24/10/2023 11:32

@TemporarilyshyAF I've never referenced a 'healing world' so I presume you've tagged me in error.

For what it's worth I took the mention of 'healing world' to mean the wider community of therapists, psychologists and self help types who focus on recovery and healing from trauma.

Iwasafool · 24/10/2023 11:39

ChristmasFluff · 24/10/2023 10:44

You cannot separate 'physical' and 'mental' illness, or 'physical' illness and 'emotional' trauma. Had there not been a Dark Ages need to appease the Church, then this mind-body dualism would not exist.

It's as nonsensical as having a split between 'liver illness' and the rest of the body.

Every thought and emotion you have is mediated by neurotransmitters and hormones - the brain is a huge excretory organ. So to believe that these do not affect your body is unscientific.

So for example, inflammatory bowel diseases are known to be related to alterations on the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal axis - and that is stress-mediator involvement right there.

When it comes to 'trauma' - rmemebr that children can be traumatised by things that an adult would not find traumatic, and indeed will often accept as perfectly normal. Neglectful parenting, physical punishment etc.

Not to mention possible epigenetic inheritance of trauma, which whilst not 100 per cent proven has an increasing body of evidence around it, particularly in mammals.

The biggest tragedy of this historical mind-body dualism is that people feel that to suggest an emotional/mind component to disease is to make it 'all in the mind' and thus somehow 'lesser'.

This is the last remaining 'mental health' taboo and stigma - that 'physical illness' exists with no 'mental health' component and that to suggest otherwise is an insult. Thus stigmatising using useful therapies

You reminded me of several visits to GP where I was repeatedly told I wasn't ill, I was depressed. All my symptoms were due to my depression. I wasn't depressed although I was fed up of the exhaustion, weight gain and aches and pains I was experiencing.

Eventually I saw the nurse practitioner and she actually listened to me, said she thought she knew what it was and did a blood test. 24 hrs later I got a call from the surgery to say the doctor needed to see me urgently. I had hypothyroidism and was immediately started on levothyroxine. Doctor commented that I must have been feeling awful (I'd told him often enough) I must have felt like I was swimming through treacle (quite a good description) and that we would need to gradually increase the meds as I couldn't go straight on to the dose I needed as it would be too much of a jump.

So personally I wish my doctor had stopped with the emotional mumbo jumbo and dealt with the physical issues in front of him. It would have spared me from 2 or 3 years of misery.

Iwasafool · 24/10/2023 11:43

Did Louise Hay say cystic fibrosis was caused by self pity? If she did say that it is nuts. Cystic fibrosis is there from the second the egg and the sperm join.

BeethovenNinth · 24/10/2023 11:47

I think it’s undeniable that emotional stress can be one driver to illness. However uncomfortable that makes us feel. The body and mind are inextricably linked.

it doesn’t mean it’s anyone’s fault. And some people are more susceptible to certain illnesses than other.

I don’t think he is a quack. It sounds a lot like common sense

Willyoujustbequiet · 24/10/2023 11:54

BeethovenNinth · 24/10/2023 11:47

I think it’s undeniable that emotional stress can be one driver to illness. However uncomfortable that makes us feel. The body and mind are inextricably linked.

it doesn’t mean it’s anyone’s fault. And some people are more susceptible to certain illnesses than other.

I don’t think he is a quack. It sounds a lot like common sense

Nobody is arguing its not one driver as you put it.

But it's patently ridiculous to claim all physical illnesses are to do with the mind/trauma.

Not only is false but it's dangerous.

SandGroperNomad · 24/10/2023 12:59

Urghhh shudders

I was repeatedly told by someone who platforms him and is a huge groupie of his that my symptoms were trauma /trauma moving through the body / the process of healing.

Nothing was ever escalated despite being told it would be

Turns out I have a brain tumour.

Iwasafool · 24/10/2023 13:03

SandGroperNomad · 24/10/2023 12:59

Urghhh shudders

I was repeatedly told by someone who platforms him and is a huge groupie of his that my symptoms were trauma /trauma moving through the body / the process of healing.

Nothing was ever escalated despite being told it would be

Turns out I have a brain tumour.

I'm so sorry. I hope real medical treatment is helping you.

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Chickenkeev · 24/10/2023 13:04

SandGroperNomad · 24/10/2023 12:59

Urghhh shudders

I was repeatedly told by someone who platforms him and is a huge groupie of his that my symptoms were trauma /trauma moving through the body / the process of healing.

Nothing was ever escalated despite being told it would be

Turns out I have a brain tumour.

Really sorry to hear that.

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SandGroperNomad · 24/10/2023 13:14

Yep - I’m under a great neuro oncology team now but I’m still so angry as the same people shout loudly about ACEs etc but then are quite happy to ignore those risks. It could have been picked up a couple of years ago and the treatment and prognosis could/may have been different and much less invasive

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Chickenkeev · 24/10/2023 13:17

SandGroperNomad · 24/10/2023 13:14

Yep - I’m under a great neuro oncology team now but I’m still so angry as the same people shout loudly about ACEs etc but then are quite happy to ignore those risks. It could have been picked up a couple of years ago and the treatment and prognosis could/may have been different and much less invasive

That's awful. No wonder you're angry.

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swirlingabyss · 24/10/2023 13:21

I really rate him and his opinions especially his work around addiction and trauma. We have a difficult paradigm here in the west whereby many illnesses are treated by treating the symptoms rather than considering the real causes. I'm not saying every illness has its roots in trauma, but for many we should look beyond the symptoms to the root cause rather than treating the symptoms. When you consider a holistic approach to illness it will also consider the patient's background, family situation, stress, trauma, childhood, lifestyle. Too often these are overlooked in the western world of medicine.

ErnestCelendine · 24/10/2023 13:21

Is a lot of what he says taken out of context by the loons?

FWIW, my GP asked about childhood trauma when we were discussing an autoimmune condition I have. Not as the cause, but as a trigger.

DontForgetToBreathe · 24/10/2023 13:23

Yes. I think he is so brilliant and articulate and really reaches inside you and pulls you out, in the most gentle ways. Love his voice. His podcast interviews with people. I didn’t even know I had problems until I heard him and he gives solutions that are wholesome and effective. I am a better parent because of him. I make sure I don’t pass on my trauma and neglect to my kids. (Though I might be doing different wrong things) it won’t be because I didn’t try.

Iwasafool · 24/10/2023 13:27

swirlingabyss · 24/10/2023 13:21

I really rate him and his opinions especially his work around addiction and trauma. We have a difficult paradigm here in the west whereby many illnesses are treated by treating the symptoms rather than considering the real causes. I'm not saying every illness has its roots in trauma, but for many we should look beyond the symptoms to the root cause rather than treating the symptoms. When you consider a holistic approach to illness it will also consider the patient's background, family situation, stress, trauma, childhood, lifestyle. Too often these are overlooked in the western world of medicine.

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So as my thyroid was dying and giving up completely I shouldn't have had levothyroxine we should have been looking for the root cause? I wonder how much damage would have been done to my organs while we did that? I'm forever grateful that my symptoms were treated, shame it took so long for my doctor to accept the truth.

WollyParton · 24/10/2023 13:34

People dislike Gabor Mate? Why on earth? This man is a beacon of peace and empathy!

Stomacharmeleon · 24/10/2023 13:45

@Iwasafool how much levo did you end up on? I have incidental thyroid cancer and have had it removed. Am up to 200mg of levo but have stubborn levels still showing. Just wondered where/ how you are?