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cakeorwine · 21/10/2023 13:51

And people with views on Government education policy that are critical are not being allowed to speak at conferences as the DFE threatens to pull funding.

Sounds like cancel culture

Dr Mine Conkbayir, an award-winning early-childhood author and consultant, was told by the organisers of an early-years conference for nursery staff and childminders in Bristol in March, for which she was due to give the keynote speech, that the DfE had threatened to withdraw funding for the conference if she spoke. They were unhappy about her criticisms of their policies on social media.
She told the Observer: “I felt like I had been punched in the stomach. I was frightened. I thought, ‘They are trying to silence me and they have so much power.’”
The organisers were appalled and told Conkbayir that they fought her corner “fiercely”. But the DfE would only agree to allow her to speak for a shorter time online, with the department checking her speech first. This echoes their tactics with Swailes and Bradbury, who assumed that the reason the DfE wanted them to speak on Zoom and not in person was so that officials could “cut us off if they didn’t like what we were saying”.
Conkbayir felt she had no choice but to pull out. Another key speaker, Julie Harmieson, director of education and strategy at training organisation Trauma Informed Schools, pulled out in solidarity. In an email to the organisers, she said: “I would not feel comfortable speaking, knowing that Mine has been silenced in the way she has.”
Conkbayir believes that the DfE attempted to silence her because she challenged its Covid recovery strategy for young children. Like other early-years experts, she disagreed with the strategy because it initially recommended putting very small children who misbehaved in “time out” or taking away their toys as a punishment – strategies she believes are psychologically harmful as well as unlikely to work.
She says she had a productive conversation with the department about this, and they agreed to “modify the language”. Following this, she was surprised to hear that she had been blacklisted as a critic. “The government wants their narrative to reign supreme, and no debate is allowed.”

SerendipityJane · 21/10/2023 14:19

If it saves one child ...

RadioMedia · 21/10/2023 15:30

@SerendipityJane Saves one child from what? Sorry I don’t get the reference.

I don’t think the files are safeguarding concerns, they are political opinion files.

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Eleganz · 21/10/2023 15:39

It's dreadful, but totally what I would expect from this lot. They hate criticism and think that they shouldn't face any from anyone in sectors they fund. No doubt if they had more time they would eventually make criticism of our glorious leaders a crime. Shame on every single civil servant who has enabled this abuse of power to go on.

Democracy means nothing to the Tories, it is just something that is an annoyance that gets in their way.

The big issue is that as they close out anyone who is critical of their policies they close out a lot of expert opinion leaving the door wide open for cranks that share the ideological views of the ministers to parade as experts.

PosterBoy · 21/10/2023 15:42

SerendipityJane · 21/10/2023 14:19

If it saves one child ...

from what? An anti-government political opinion on twitter about underfunding in education?

Children need saving from underfunding... not criticism of underfunding

cakeorwine · 21/10/2023 15:50

PosterBoy · 21/10/2023 15:42

from what? An anti-government political opinion on twitter about underfunding in education?

Children need saving from underfunding... not criticism of underfunding

I think that's sarcasm in that post

Valerianandfoxglovesoup · 21/10/2023 15:52

Why are people keeping files on TAs. I've only ever encountered mums who want a term time job, hardly MI5 types 😀

jazzyfips · 21/10/2023 15:52

SerendipityJane · 21/10/2023 14:19

If it saves one child ...

Eh? This isn’t safeguarding. It’s the monitoring of activity and is politically motivated.

Gilead · 21/10/2023 15:56

This is fucking terrifying. Schools are being turned into factories.
Churning out children who are unable to critically review the government policies because the proscribed curriculum is deliberately inadequate.

Iscreamtea · 21/10/2023 16:40

Wow. I don't know what they're going to do with the information though. They can't sack people for their opinions, schools are struggling to find enough teachers and TAs as it is.

I can't believe 30% of Mumsnet thinks this is OK.

Thesearmsofmine · 21/10/2023 16:45

The longer the tories are in power and have control of the education system, the more glad I am that I am able to home educate my kids.

WhiteHorseSpirit · 21/10/2023 16:48

That’s not so much “keeping a file” as doing a background check on a speaker invited to speak at a State School. You’d expect them to check SM posts before allowing anyone to influence young minds…right?

(On a side note, the Government does actually have files on all of us tracking our internet activity, and more as part of the Anti-terror laws passed decades ago. This isn’t shared with DfE, but DfE can request access on a need to know basis).

Curioushorse · 21/10/2023 16:55

We've got rid of a TA this week because we felt like there was something 'off' about their behaviour around the children. A number of staff raised concerns. We had enough evidence that they could be asked to leave our school- however, there was nothing to affect their DBS.

I'm pretty sure they shouldn't be working with children- but at the moment there is nothing technically to stop them getting another job.

Tracking them would at least keep them on somebody's radar.

I don't think you can be too careful with people who look after children.

pointythings · 21/10/2023 17:21

Curioushorse · 21/10/2023 16:55

We've got rid of a TA this week because we felt like there was something 'off' about their behaviour around the children. A number of staff raised concerns. We had enough evidence that they could be asked to leave our school- however, there was nothing to affect their DBS.

I'm pretty sure they shouldn't be working with children- but at the moment there is nothing technically to stop them getting another job.

Tracking them would at least keep them on somebody's radar.

I don't think you can be too careful with people who look after children.

But that isn't why the government is doing it. They're monitoring anti-government sentiment online. Which is very North Korea of them.

CantFindTheBeat · 21/10/2023 17:25

WhiteHorseSpirit · 21/10/2023 16:48

That’s not so much “keeping a file” as doing a background check on a speaker invited to speak at a State School. You’d expect them to check SM posts before allowing anyone to influence young minds…right?

(On a side note, the Government does actually have files on all of us tracking our internet activity, and more as part of the Anti-terror laws passed decades ago. This isn’t shared with DfE, but DfE can request access on a need to know basis).

@WhiteHorseSpirit

Did you actually read the linked article?

CantFindTheBeat · 21/10/2023 17:26

Curioushorse · 21/10/2023 16:55

We've got rid of a TA this week because we felt like there was something 'off' about their behaviour around the children. A number of staff raised concerns. We had enough evidence that they could be asked to leave our school- however, there was nothing to affect their DBS.

I'm pretty sure they shouldn't be working with children- but at the moment there is nothing technically to stop them getting another job.

Tracking them would at least keep them on somebody's radar.

I don't think you can be too careful with people who look after children.

How is this anecdote relevant to tracking people with views on lack of funding in education ?

tiglit · 21/10/2023 17:35

Someone should do an FOI to ask for the DPIA for this processing; to understand the legal basis for processing, how long it's kept for etc.

cakeorwine · 21/10/2023 18:06

WhiteHorseSpirit · 21/10/2023 16:48

That’s not so much “keeping a file” as doing a background check on a speaker invited to speak at a State School. You’d expect them to check SM posts before allowing anyone to influence young minds…right?

(On a side note, the Government does actually have files on all of us tracking our internet activity, and more as part of the Anti-terror laws passed decades ago. This isn’t shared with DfE, but DfE can request access on a need to know basis).

Did you read it?
Someone invited to speak at a conference.
She had criticised Government policy in education.
DFE threatened to pull conference funding.

Iscreamtea · 21/10/2023 18:08

Curioushorse · 21/10/2023 16:55

We've got rid of a TA this week because we felt like there was something 'off' about their behaviour around the children. A number of staff raised concerns. We had enough evidence that they could be asked to leave our school- however, there was nothing to affect their DBS.

I'm pretty sure they shouldn't be working with children- but at the moment there is nothing technically to stop them getting another job.

Tracking them would at least keep them on somebody's radar.

I don't think you can be too careful with people who look after children.

That's a completely different thing.

Treaclewell · 21/10/2023 18:17

Teachers as well. Do these files include staff who don't go along with gender identity stuff, want separate loos for the sexes by any chance?
I left before this, so they don't have my strike absences and my time as union rep, but I dare say they're doing that for current staff. Hasn't that sort of stuff been found unlawful because of the builder's black list episode involving Ricky Tomlinson?

WhiteHorseSpirit · 21/10/2023 22:49

cakeorwine · 21/10/2023 18:06

Did you read it?
Someone invited to speak at a conference.
She had criticised Government policy in education.
DFE threatened to pull conference funding.

Yes I read it. Did you?
Keeping a file on every critic is very different from googling someone and trawling through their SM after their name has been submitted as a potential speaker.

WhiteHorseSpirit · 21/10/2023 22:53

DfE isn’t keeping the files-U.K. Gov has a file on all of us. Everything we post. Everywhere we go. Everything we buy- all our bank records. It was passed into law decades ago. Being surprised by this is like being surprised that FB was selling user data and photos.

DfE is part of U.K. Gov. all they need to is request access by name to your file.

cakeorwine · 21/10/2023 22:55

WhiteHorseSpirit · 21/10/2023 22:49

Yes I read it. Did you?
Keeping a file on every critic is very different from googling someone and trawling through their SM after their name has been submitted as a potential speaker.

So you think it's ok for the DFE to threaten to pull funding from an education conference because a keynote speaker has criticised education policy?

Oh - and they weren't speaking at a secondary school

"hat’s not so much “keeping a file” as doing a background check on a speaker invited to speak at a State School. You’d expect them to check SM posts before allowing anyone to influence young minds…right"

So clearly you didn't read it

cakeorwine · 21/10/2023 22:56

WhiteHorseSpirit · 21/10/2023 22:53

DfE isn’t keeping the files-U.K. Gov has a file on all of us. Everything we post. Everywhere we go. Everything we buy- all our bank records. It was passed into law decades ago. Being surprised by this is like being surprised that FB was selling user data and photos.

DfE is part of U.K. Gov. all they need to is request access by name to your file.

Really?

What law was this?

WhiteHorseSpirit · 21/10/2023 23:10

cakeorwine · 21/10/2023 22:55

So you think it's ok for the DFE to threaten to pull funding from an education conference because a keynote speaker has criticised education policy?

Oh - and they weren't speaking at a secondary school

"hat’s not so much “keeping a file” as doing a background check on a speaker invited to speak at a State School. You’d expect them to check SM posts before allowing anyone to influence young minds…right"

So clearly you didn't read it

DfE doesn’t keep the file…so yeah they’re doing a search on a file kept by U.K. Gov. central intelligence. It’s a file available to even ambulances, DWP, you name it, they can all access it.

It doesn’t matter if I think it is OK, Parliament voted it into law, so obviously our MPs thought it was awesome.