Results like these at a general election would mean Tory annihilation

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Says a BBC headline this morning.

Anyone else stockpiling popcorn?

Splitting hairs is so childish. Blair didn’t get how the banks were operating. With hindsight. When others reflect they come out with what they got wrong too. It’s not confined to one party! The Labour policies didn’t involve stress testing banks. They let rip. There will be huge errors from every government now. Almost certainly unavoidable. Plenty of things are not in our control either. So whoever wins will learn the hard way.

I've just said on another thread that excuse by Mark Rowley is a load of crap. In recent years the police have arrested various people for being rude about trans people (eg Harry Miller), an autistic child for saying a policewoman looked like a lesbian, a woman praying and various Christian preachers. All cases found against them. Yet they don't arrest men shouting for jihad.

Under ordinary circumstances I would agree with you, but the Tories have been making hay pretty much blaming their predecessors for the global financial crisis. Their supporters still do it 13 years later. It's not childish to point out that they were against regulating the banks - it's a simple matter of pointing out the truth.

Let's hope we won't have to wait quite so long for an apology from David Cameron and Teresa May over Brexit - though at least one Tory has acknowledged the referendum should have demanded a supermajority and that we would still be in the EU if it had.

..because Jihad can mean many things... thats why new laws were needed, as advised in 2020.... which were not enacted.

Even Braverman acknowledged it....

An insult etc is pretty clear cut and the law is "robust"

Oh my, I didn't think it was that bad. They wouldn't even be the opposition party!

I think perhaps you need to look up "Global financial Crash" and see where it started?

All Countries/Govt's etc screwed up, stop trying to portray the GFC was a UK thing, it makes you sound rather desperate.

Hilarious though that would be, I think it is unlikely to happen. I am a Poll clerk but normally volunteer for the Thursday in the poll centre but may do the night count clerk come the election. I can imagine it will be momentous, but I will be gobsmacked if the Lib Dems become the official opposition.

I'm not following your reasoning here. Various different police forces have in recent years attempted to stretch the remit of hate crime/incitement legislation, and as you note, been slapped down in every case.

Surely the moral for the Met should be that they should take a conservative line in deciding what speech constitutes an arrestable offence.

Nope, it has been clear for years that the Met is extremely partisan in how it applies the law. They made pro-Israel peace walk organisers cancel a prayer walk and told people driving a mobile van advertising the hostages to go home (nothing against the law in what either were doing). They assisted women doing nothing wrong at the Sarah Everard march. They arrested multiple others song nothing wrong eg gc women. It is an offence to incite religious hatred and make a minority group feel unsafe which multiple people on that group did. But they are scared of the rabid leftists and Islamic fundamentalists which made up some of the participants so policed very lightly. I have no trust in them.

So, a single woman praying silently is intimidating but a gang of men - many masked - screaming for jihad represent no concern?
The caution for racism to two men carrying the flag of St George in the capital of England was obviously deserved though.

That's the Tories for you.🤷‍♀️

Wasn't the 'woman praying' doing so in an exclusion zone outside an abortion clinic?

If that is the incident I think, that was a clear breach of that law.

Nope the police were wrong and issued an apology to that woman. Isabel Vaughan Spruce if you want to look it up. It is very clear that the police apply the law differently to those they can bully - women, Christians, law abiding people and those they're scared of - violent leftists, aggressive islamists. I respected the police when I was young because they didn't behave like this. No more they are not on my side.

She was in the buffer zone but wasn't actually doing anything audible or visible and hence was acquitted the first time and got a police apology the second time I think.

I still think that it's a logical failure to go from "several forces overstepped their authority, didn't succeed in their attempts and were rebuked" to "and therefore the police should enforce the law more expansively"

Its not my fault Boris and Patel didn't act on advice, apparently this is still being looked at by the Home Secretary, obviously a lie because she then questioned the MET about their lack of action.... Pot n Kettle me thinks.

Which government has been in charge since 2017?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/joseph-rowntree-foundation-uk-government-government-child-jeremy-hunt-b2434753.html

I think the Met are beyond redemption. Let's not forget they also arrested anti monarchy protestors who hadn't done anything.

Difference is that Blair seems to want to return to politics, even become PM again, whereas the others have gone off to do other things.

Hitler gained power under PR!

And that's the crux of the problem. Brown was still in deficit in his self proclaimed "boom" years. It's pretty simple economics that you pay down debt when you're in "boom" and borrow when in "bust". Brown should have been running a surplus, not a deficit, in his "boom" years! He never did, and that proves his "boom" was just based on borrowed money, not a growing economy!

Not true. In 1932 the Nazis had the biggest vote share, but couldn't form a government. It took the Enabling Act of 1933 to take control- illegally. Under FPTP the Nazis would have won every seat. Apartheid was also created under a FPTP system.

Truss doesn't want another go? Are you sure?

I must have missed Blair announcing that, do you have a link?

The economics of a country cannot be run like the economics of a household. This is a common right wing fallacy. By the way, the last time the UK economy was in surplus was in 2000/2001. Since 1971, it has been in surplus for only 5 years. The government deficit is also not the same as the national debt - that has existed since the time of William III.

The more important point was that a previous poster stated that Tony Blair had to deal with a banking crisis during his time as Prime Minister. It has yet to be revealed which banking crisis that was.