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To think there are no jobs in the UK?

118 replies

Winniejari · 20/10/2023 05:30

I have applied for hundreds of jobs over the course of three months. I have a masters of business and bachelor degree in computer science. Ive had over ten years experience in asia and europe and feel so down about getting nothing. What am I doing wrong?
Ive extended my job search to literally anywhere in the UK.
Ive heard nothing! Ive had one interview where i got to the final round and nope!
Does anyone else have this problem? Is it just the IT sector? How to get around it?

It makes you feel so unconfident when your inbox is just filled with rejection after rejection.

OP posts:
Ormonde · 20/10/2023 05:35

It’s been like that for about 20 years. Not all graduates get graduate jobs, you have to be lucky. And if you’re female there’s still a lot of discrimination in some industries such as computing, which are male dominated and still exclude women.

Meredusoleil · 20/10/2023 05:39

Sounds to me like you might be overqualified! Have you tried teaching? They are desperate for secondary school Computer Science teachers. You could be paid as an unqualified teacher without any teaching qualifications.

Tartareistasty · 20/10/2023 05:45

Rather than overqualified, it will simply be your CV format.

Winniejari · 20/10/2023 05:46

What should I do to improve it?

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talknomore · 20/10/2023 05:49

Have you got LinkedIn profile?
What skills do you offer.

My experience us that I hardly ever heard that my application is rejected at the first step. Sometimes even after first interview I had to chase them up.

Tartareistasty · 20/10/2023 05:50

Check if the format and info are correct and in order, lately lots of companies run it via ATS. Every country haa bit different acceptable format (annoyingly).
There are people who make cvs might be worth sending it to someone with good reviews to see.

Baffled1989 · 20/10/2023 06:04

I work in recruitment. Unfortunately the majority of companies won’t get back to you without a prompt.

are you following up and asking for feedback?
mare you tailoring your CV to each job?
are you creating a cover letter for each job?
are you attending career fairs / networking events?

it’s a very competitive market, especially in the IT sector.

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ThinWomansBrain · 20/10/2023 06:13

get someone to review your CV.
A friend or ex colleague who works and recruits in the field, a recruitment agency, paid for employment coach - some councils have employability services that you could get help from, or a local charity?

IncomingTraffic · 20/10/2023 06:14

There are loads of IT sector jobs. It’s hard to fill them.

The problem is going to be how you are writing your CV and applications. If you’re not getting any responses at all, that’s likely to be the issue.

It might be different if there were no roles to apply for. but there are. you are applying but getting nowhere.

That’s actually a more positive scenario. You can get better at tailoring your CV and applying for jobs so that you get past recruiter sifts. There is loads of advice on this online.

Tartareistasty · 20/10/2023 06:20

You worked in Europe and Asia. Have you changed what you put on your CV? Because many there use pictures, personal information etc. That's a no.

PermanentTemporary · 20/10/2023 06:22

Try a recruitment agency - but ask around for a good one.

Something isn't right, because there really are jobs out there.

MimiSunshine · 20/10/2023 06:25

It will be your CV. Have you looked on the job sites at the CV templates? Monster and the like have different ones for different sectors.

also, make sure you include the key words from the job advert in your application. If a company uses a recruiter like Reed, many, MANY CVS won’t get past Reed to the company as they won’t pass the key word check.

My company, large and global is struggling to recruit. The jobs are out there, In my experience the recruitment companies are terrible and inefficient

Zooeyzebra · 20/10/2023 06:26

its unclear, Is this your first (in a while or at all) job search in the uk?
In my experience moving frequently with my oh, getting the first job in a new country is the toughest. Once you have a job you are a ton more desirable.
Also make sure you cv is in the ‘normal’ format, again this differs from place to place.
Other than that, I used to make job searching my full time job. Apply for everything. But do it well. Write a great cover letter, call the agent to ask for details before sending in cv, chat to them. And obviously these days, LinkedIn is important too

YireosDodeAver · 20/10/2023 06:28

In some areas of IT these days you don't get jobs solely through responding to adverts and applying. The jobs are advertised and the interviews happen but there's a practical element to the recruitment process that I suspect you aren't participating in - which is about your online presence.

In software development and support work astonishing amounts of what gets done emerges from exchanges in online forums that are rather like mumsnet for mega-geeks. Think of a few kinds of questions that people more junior than the posts you are looking for are likely to ask along the lines of how to I make (this bit of code) behave as I want it to in (this kind of circumstance) and google it - you will get hits from various websites where knowledgeable gurus are just as enthusiastic about offering advice as a CF Parking-On-My-Drive thread in AIBU.
On these forums, users get upvoted and acquire kudos points for having supplied the best advice and they build up a reputation for how reliable their advice is. And unlike mumsnet, people don't hide their online identities but their CV will say things like "Active on Substack as Xoraxial56" - and anyone can then go and look at their profile.

When a company is recruiting into a role that requires experience of this type then although this never makes it to the HR-approved specification, the recruiter is going to be looking for evidence of an online profile of activity to find out whether you have a positive reputation to go with your years of experience.

Also a lot of roles in IT don't follow a structured pattern that a vacancy opens up because a particular staff member left, and therefore the organisation advertises the vacancy and fills the role. Team structures flow more dynamically than this - it's more likely that when a vacancy opens up the roles and responsibilities of the person who left will get absorbed into the roles of other team members who are looking fir more responsibilities and new challenges, and an entirely different vacancy will be created which happens to be a good fit for someone that the senior team are aware is job hunting at the moment. The role may well be advertised but they already have their eye on a likely candidate before the job description is published.

To get your foot in the door for those kinds of jobs you need to make yourself known to people inside the kind of organisations you have your eye on. Ask the right people if they can spare you some time to tell you a but more about what they do, and find out whether your own skill set is likely to be something that will benefit their organisation. If they like you and you are able to impress them, then a vacancy that is a you-shaped hole can later get created and you'll be invited to apply. Attend events in your area of expertise, and contribute actively. Listen to other contributors to find out what kinds of projects they are working on and think how you could make a difference. Make sure people know how capable you are by actively demonstrating that capability.

The unfortunate thing is that the people you are competing with have already been doing a lot of this for the last 10 years while accruing their own experience and expertise. It's rather difficult to start from scratch, but not impossible.

AfterWeights · 20/10/2023 06:31

It is your cv

I had to fill a couple of roles recently and was horrified at how poor people's cv writing skills were.

  1. 2 pages long. No more. Seriously. I bin longer ones.
  2. Use bullet points and be succinct.
  3. Focus mostly on your most recent experience.
  4. Don't repeat phrases, use varied language.
  5. Don't just describe experience, say how you delivered, drove projects, led, improved processes.
  6. Be prepared to explain any gap longer than 3 months.
  7. Don't include things like school or university positions beyond your first grad job. When you are 36 no one wants to hear you won the maths prize at school & were hockey captain at uni.
  8. Do include things like languages you speak well.
AfterWeights · 20/10/2023 06:34

Also use specialist agencies for your field.

We had 25 cvs for my last role. The 19 that came via LinkedIn etc were all shit. The 6 from the specialist recruiter i asked to help were all good.

lavendermouse · 20/10/2023 06:36

I've applied for every supermarket job and care home job in my area and the care homes I haven't heard back from at all. Supermarkets it's taken weeks for a reply, says its had overwhelming applications and I haven't been successful, then the job advert opens up again. Then you hear that everyone should be able to get a job in the UK because there's loads of jobs available. 🥴

MidWineCent · 20/10/2023 06:38

Agree with others here. Pay a professional to review your CV and provide guidance on how to manage your LinkedIn presence.
You'll have to tailor each cv for each job posting - are you doing that? If a job description asks for specific "knowledge of" then start studying.

GRex · 20/10/2023 06:42

With 10 years of experience in IT, if you aren't getting interviews then the issue is your CV. Are you trying for something too senior? Have you articulated your skills and achievements in summary form? What are your coding languages? Which industry are you going for? If your experience is travel industry IT then it's too much of a jump to get into financial services for example.

harerunner · 20/10/2023 06:46

Having recruited many people myself, many applications aren't focussed on the job at hand and have clearly been sent in a scattergun manner to any and all possible jobs.

Far better to send off 5 applications that you've tailored and spent care and attention on, ensuring that you adhere to what's being of you, than firing off a generic CV to 50 firms.

Also, actual work experience counts. I advise you do something on a voluntary level, even if it's minor, to show you are actually doing something.

MidnightOnceMore · 20/10/2023 08:45

I agree get professional CV support. My workplace struggles to recruit IT staff.

NetflixSelectionB0x · 20/10/2023 09:04

I have seen some IT jobs advertised recently

NHS Trust websites (hospitals)
Telecommunication companies

Most seem to ask for specific abilities

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HeidiHunter · 20/10/2023 13:07

Have you tried Edinburgh? Lots of financial institutions using IT people.

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